HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[The Gr8 Dane]

Hey friends do you think this is the year we draft our first 1C in decades? Surely this is the one

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Take the point and run….
(Up to the podium to pick 12th)

It’s funny because if we pick 12th we are probably taking the same guy we’d take with a top 5 pick

 

[WeThreeKings]

It’s funny because if we pick 12th we are probably taking the same guy we’d take with a top 5 pick

Except in the past two drafts we took the players at 1 and 5 that pretty much every org in the league would have taken in that spot.

But do you.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Except in the past two drafts we took the players at 1 and 5 that pretty much every org in the league would have taken in that spot.

But do you.

It’s nice that we all get to create our own reality on here

 

[WeThreeKings]

It’s nice that we all get to create our own reality on here

Yes, it is nice that you can blatantly ignore facts to push a narrative because you didn't like who they took.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It’s nice that we all get to create our own reality on here

WHAT are you talking about? Slaf was the slight favorite for #1 and Reinbacher was likely favored by many since the ones we know Philly and Arizona wanted him.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Yes, it is nice that you can blatantly ignore facts to push a narrative because you didn't like who they took.

Not sure how what you think “any org in the league” would do is a fact, but then again definitions shift over time

WHAT are you talking about? Slaf was the slight favorite for #1 and Reinbacher was likely favored by many since the ones we know Philly and Arizona wanted him.

Oh, well, if Arizona would have done it then it must have been the right move

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not sure how what you think “any org in the league” would do is a fact, but then again definitions shift over time


Oh, well, if Arizona would have done it then it must have been the right move

Even the team that took your precious Michkov was gonna take Reinbacher at 5.

You've got 0 evidence that Michkov would have gone at 5. In fact we have no evidence any team even tried to get up to get him.

Slaf was Bob's 1 and his 1 always goes 1.

We have more than enough information from multiple well vetted sources that Reinbacher was the guy teams were trying to trade with Montreal to get at 5.

So you're completely and fully wrong. You can dislike the pick. You can do a victory lap if Michkov should have been the pick when things are clearer. I don't care.

But pushing this narrative that they just reach on all their picks when it's not true and not even funny. It's just annoying. You're wrong. It's not funny. It's not true and maybe it's time to get over it?

 

[salbutera]

Unless we get Celebrini starting to win is not going to happen next year. The only player that we could add next year is Roy. And we're going to lose some assets at the trade deadline, so Dach/Newhook coming back isn't going to shift the balance enough. Reinbacher, Hudson, Beck and Mesar are likely going to the AHL. I think it's more the year after when the AHlers join, and our 1st pick this year are likely to join (if it's a forward). Another Dach/Newhook trade could change that a bit for next year but right now we don't have that extra pick to make that move we might have to sacrifice a D to get the pick. We'll see what happens with Harris, Monahan, Anderson, Dvorak, Spinach, Armia, Savard at the deadline.

If we get Celebrini, watch out, that's like a whole 2 years shortcut.

Caufield, Suz, Slafkovski
Newhook Celebrini Dach
Roy Dvo Anderson
Gallagher Evans Ylonen
Armia Spinach Heineman

Matheson-Barron
Guhle- Kovacevic
Hudson - Harris
Struble

Producing this lineup made me realize we still have very little depth at center, Beck, Mysak, Kidney, Kapanen, Simoneau, Biondi, Smilanic, Eriksson, Davidson, Smith are blehhhhh, only 1 future NHLer maybe 2.

Interesting to see Ylonen becoming a bigger piece than anticipated game after game.

There’s still the trade & UFA markets to add a top-6 asset along w Dach & Newhook to start next season

 

[SOLR]

There’s still the trade & UFA markets to add a top-6 asset along w Dach & Newhook to start next season

Not a big UFA year.

Trades have costs, these costs might be a step back in performance before the new asset becomes a step up.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Even the team that took your precious Michkov was gonna take Reinbacher at 5.

You've got 0 evidence that Michkov would have gone at 5. In fact we have no evidence any team even tried to get up to get him.

Slaf was Bob's 1 and his 1 always goes 1.

We have more than enough information from multiple well vetted sources that Reinbacher was the guy teams were trying to trade with Montreal to get at 5.

So you're completely and fully wrong. You can dislike the pick. You can do a victory lap if Michkov should have been the pick when things are clearer. I don't care.

But pushing this narrative that they just reach on all their picks when it's not true and not even funny. It's just annoying. You're wrong. It's not funny. It's not true and maybe it's time to get over it?

Remind me where Bob ranked Reinbacher and Michkov?

 

[salbutera]

 

[badfish]

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San Jose, Chicago, Ottawa, Anaheim, Columbus and Minnesota are all teams that have had harder schedules than us to date and have weaker than us moving forward (especially SJ, Minnesota, and Anaheim!). At this point last year the Habs were bumping around 6th/7th last place. Right now the Habs are 8th last, but only 5 points up on 5th last.

 

[Kennerback]

WHAT are you talking about? Slaf was the slight favorite for #1 and Reinbacher was likely favored by many since the ones we know Philly and Arizona wanted him.

I’ve seen two theories this week in the Flyers recognized media both involving the Flyers getting Michkov. Number 1 is Flyers taking Michkov at 5, another was to take Reinbacher at 5 so Arizona didn’t take him. And they (not the Canadiens) would take Michkov at 7. Arizona said they couldn’t take a chance on Michkov because he didn’t want to play with them and he didn’t even want to talk to them.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

People whining about Michkov. He probably told the Habs he wouldn't sign with them. And anyone not happy with Gauthier should dislike Michkov too.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

People whining about Michkov. He probably told the Habs he wouldn't sign with them. And anyone not happy with Gauthier should dislike Michkov too.

So we’re just making stuff up now lmao cool

 

[morhilane]

San Jose, Chicago, Ottawa, Anaheim, Columbus and Minnesota are all teams that have had harder schedules than us to date and have weaker than us moving forward (especially SJ, Minnesota, and Anaheim!). At this point last year the Habs were bumping around 6th/7th last place. Right now the Habs are 8th last, but only 5 points up on 5th last.

Columbus isn't going to turn into a .600-.700 team and move from that 5th place. Just like the 4 bottom teams aren't getting out of their holes by playing each others.

And the Habs aren't collapsing like last season. Their collapse started mid-December with a 8 losing streak after injuries pilled up. Habs are 2nd in man-lost-to-injuries this season as of December 28th and they are still cruising at .500 two weeks later. Even moving people at the deadline won't change much, because the team is cruising at .500 with one line where only two players are really having an impact, a patch-work D and 3 goalies where the one to be traded is the worst of the bunch.

 

[Colezuki]

Remind me where Bob ranked Reinbacher and Michkov?

It was never about Bob, it was about the teams who we're trying to trade up for Reinbacher at 5

- Arizona
- Philadelphia
- Nashville

are all confirmed now,

 

[Sasha Orlov]

It was never about Bob, it was about the teams who we're trying to trade up for Reinbacher at 5

- Arizona
- Philadelphia
- Nashville

are all confirmed now,

“Confirmed” lol, I have a bridge to sell you

 

[salbutera]

Not a big UFA year.

Trades have costs, these costs might be a step back in performance before the new asset becomes a step up.

Guentzel would look good in a Habs uni (natural finisher)…not sure how Pit signs him w no cap space

 

[ReimanSum1908]

It was never about Bob, it was about the teams who we're trying to trade up for Reinbacher at 5

- Arizona
- Philadelphia
- Nashville

are all confirmed now,

Honest question because I've heard nothing of this: where was it confirmed that these teams wanted to trade up, or made offers to do so?

Philly was trying for our pick, I think, but not by moving theirs.

 

[Colezuki]

“Confirmed” lol, I have a bridge to sell you

Flyers Insider,
Nashville Insider,
Arizona literally took the next RHD

I don't know what more you need, after the consensus top 4 we had 3 teams and at least 4 think that he was the best. Hell Grier is quoted as saying he wasn't sure that Michkov is the sure thing fans see him as

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Guentzel would look good in a Habs uni…not sure how Pit signs him w no cap space

Oh, no thank you. When the team is in its competitive window in five years, he'll likely be a boat anchor.

 

[Colezuki]

Honest question because I've heard nothing of this: where was it confirmed that these teams wanted to trade up, or made offers to do so?

Philly was trying for our pick, I think, but not by moving theirs.

There was an article that was in one of the French papers tried to dig it up but it's been a while where it said, Nashville was offering Saros and the 15th to move up to 5 to take reinbacher, Arizona not as much but the reason teams called us is it was known arizona wanted Reinbacher at 6 that's why we wouldn't trade down to 7

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Flyers Insider,
Nashville Insider,
Arizona literally took the next RHD

I don't know what more you need, after the consensus top 4 we had 3 teams and at least 4 think that he was the best. Hell Grier is quoted as saying he wasn't sure that Michkov is the sure thing fans see him as

All they said was those teams tried to trade up, also insiders make up 95% of what they say