HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[Sorinth]

cause they only offer 6th round picks for them apparently

According to who? You honestly think teams like Edmonton and Toronto who've been looking for a goalie for years now have never once offered a team more then a 6th round pick for a goalie?

 

[DAChampion]

According to who? You honestly think teams like Edmonton and Toronto who've been looking for a goalie for years now have never once offered a team more then a 6th round pick for a goalie?

Word came out that Brad Treliving was peddling a 6th round pick to acquire a goalie.

 

[Sorinth]

Word came out that Brad Treliving was peddling a 6th round pick to acquire a goalie.

So according to the guy who said there was a 95% chance that Pierre-Luc Dubois would be a Hab said they were offering a 6th round pick for backup/struggling goalies.

I mean that in no way supports the idea that goaltending is the easiest position to fill.

 

[DAChampion]

So according to the guy who said there was a 95% chance that Pierre-Luc Dubois would be a Hab said they were offering a 6th round pick for backup/struggling goalies.

I mean that in no way supports the idea that goaltending is the easiest position to fill.

No, but it may be perceived to be that way.

 

[Nicko999]

If it's an easy position to fulfill why do so many teams struggle to find quality goaltending?

Those teams (Leafs, Oilers) have an offensive system with zero care for defence and even if you put prime Hasek in nets, he wouldn't be able to be as effective as you think.

Gaolie is the HARDEST position to fil now. There are very very few good goaltenders in existence. Canada is developing none. And it is very difficult to evaluate goaltenders. So the only way is to draft several and hope for the best.


The reason they are getting nothing with 6ths is because there are so few of them.

If it's the hardest how comes you can pick a decent #1B off waivers? Picking a 2C or a 3-4th D-man ogf waivers is pretty much impossible.

 

[the valiant effort]

Those teams (Leafs, Oilers) have an offensive system with zero care for defence and even if you put prime Hasek in nets, he wouldn't be able to be as effective as you think.

I just forwarded this comment to Dom. He doesn't usually answer me till mid-afternoon Czech time so it'll be interesting to see if he accepts your challenge and signs with either Leafs or Oilers

 

[HuGort]

Some players have really come to light this season. Slaf, Montembeault and Struble. Allowing the Habs to hang around.500

 

[Heffyhoof]

They are very young and they didn't surround the team with good vets. We can complain all we want about Gallagher and Savard etc... but in the long run you are better off having a good amount of veteran leadership. Friedman said last night that OTT is looking for veterans who know how to be pros. In effect they did what most people around here want us to do and it's not working yet... at least they brought in Martin and seem to be trying to get it back on track... I actually hope they do 'cause it will make it fun to have a rivalry with them again.

I'd rather my young players learn from a broken warrior like Gallagher than not. Can't remember his username 100% to tag him, but someone with the name similar to Archieready(Archer?) has an avatar of Gally bleeding from around 5 different spot on his face, trying to win us a game in the playoffs.

We talk about Slaf becoming a difference maker, imagine Gallagher instilling his relentless work ethic into a 6'3" 230lbs frame. Or even into a smaller and lighter Caufield.

 

[BLONG7]

I'd rather my young players learn from a broken warrior like Gallagher than not. Can't remember his username 100% to tag him, but someone with the name similar to Archieready(Archer?) has an avatar of Gally bleeding from around 5 different spot on his face, trying to win us a game in the playoffs.

We talk about Slaf becoming a difference maker, imagine Gallagher instilling his relentless work ethic into a 6'3" 230lbs frame. Or even into a smaller and lighter Caufield.

Gally is a warrior..........a broken down one though. The prolelm with Gally is that MSL just gives him too much TOI. He spends too much time on his butt...........
But you are right, guys could learn from his no quit mantra, which I think this team has done somewhat. They don't quit this crew..............

 

[Lshap]

If it's the hardest how comes you can pick a decent #1B off waivers? Picking a 2C or a 3-4th D-man ogf waivers is pretty much impossible.

Patrice Bergeron was a 45th overall draft pick. Kucherov was picked 58th. Point was picked in the 3rd round. Teams get lucky with draft picks like they sometimes do with waiver picks.

Goalies in particular are a mystery until they hit their mid-20s. We got lucky with Montembeault. He's not Carey Price, but he's looking a lot better than plenty of other teams' goalies.

Those teams (Leafs, Oilers) have an offensive system with zero care for defence and even if you put prime Hasek in nets, he wouldn't be able to be as effective as you think.

Do you believe Montreal's defence is great? If Montembeault looks this good behind our young inexperienced D, imagine him with a solid defence core in front of him.

 

[Lshap]

I'd rather my young players learn from a broken warrior like Gallagher than not. Can't remember his username 100% to tag him, but someone with the name similar to Archieready(Archer?) has an avatar of Gally bleeding from around 5 different spot on his face, trying to win us a game in the playoffs.

We talk about Slaf becoming a difference maker, imagine Gallagher instilling his relentless work ethic into a 6'3" 230lbs frame. Or even into a smaller and lighter Caufield.

This is a fair point. Gallagher is an anchor on the cap, but we underestimate the long term benefits of his mentoring.

 

[Heffyhoof]

This is a fair point. Gallagher is an anchor on the cap, but we underestimate the long term benefits of his mentoring.

Even if I turn into the most cynical Habs fan possible, I can't dislike Gally. He literally bled for our collective fandom. Just like I hope Weber and Price imparted their mark onto a team that will win the Cup, I hope we can point to the 5th rounder that defined loving being a Hab.

 

[417]

This is a fair point. Gallagher is an anchor on the cap, but we underestimate the long term benefits of his mentoring.

He is, but right now it doesn't really matter.

In 2 years when he still has time left on his deal and the Habs are presumably, or hopefully, entering a competitive window...that's when it's going to be a real anchor.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Hopefully go 1-2 this week.

 

[Lshap]

He is, but right now it doesn't really matter.

In 2 years when he still has time left on his deal and the Habs are presumably, or hopefully, entering a competitive window...that's when it's going to be a real anchor.

Yeah, Gallagher's cap hit will be a serious drag for about two years when it's needed most. Let's hope his leadership adds the value his on-ice performance no longer can.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

small chance hes in LTIR by then his body took alot of beatings through the years specially his hands

 

[Nicko999]

Patrice Bergeron was a 45th overall draft pick. Kucherov was picked 58th. Point was picked in the 3rd round. Teams get lucky with draft picks like they sometimes do with waiver picks.

Goalies in particular are a mystery until they hit their mid-20s. We got lucky with Montembeault. He's not Carey Price, but he's looking a lot better than plenty of other teams' goalies.


Do you believe Montreal's defence is great? If Montembeault looks this good behind our young inexperienced D, imagine him with a solid defence core in front of him.

If it was so easy how comes we have not drafted a #1C in like 30 years.

Montreal's defense is definitely not good but they know it so limit the chances to the best of their capabilities.
Oilers and Leafs don't really care as they have the firepower to reply with goals. Habs doesn't have that privilege.

 

[Jaaanosik]

Habs are .500 team with missing players.
That's encouraging.
The team is learning how to keep fighting, no quitting any game.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Habs are .500 team with missing players.
That's encouraging.
The team is learning how to keep fighting, no quitting any game.

Yep. Can't wait for perpetual mediocrity that comes from being unable and unwilling to draft top talent while goalies steal points for no reason. But they WON'T BACK DOWN. Hope you liked the last 30 years. Prepare for more of that.

 

[Lshap]

If it was so easy how comes we have not drafted a #1C in like 30 years.

Montreal's defense is definitely not good but they know it so limit the chances to the best of their capabilities.
Oilers and Leafs don't really care as they have the firepower to reply with goals. Habs doesn't have that privilege.

The point is that NO key positions are easy to find. We've been spoiled by a great goalies for so long we've fooled ourselves into thinking the next Vezina winner is around the corner. The truth is today there are plenty of teams hurting for solid goalies, let alone elite ones.

If Montembeault finishes this season at his current level, I think it's fair to call him a legit starter. Keep in mind today's trend is moving towards sharing the load, meaning Monty would likely be part of a 1A/1B tandem.

 

[Jaaanosik]

Yep. Can't wait for perpetual mediocrity that comes from being unable and unwilling to draft top talent while goalies steal points for no reason. But they WON'T BACK DOWN. Hope you liked the last 30 years. Prepare for more of that.

What do you mean by 'unwilling to draft top talent'?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

small chance hes in LTIR by then his body took alot of beatings through the years specially his hands

Best case scenario is once Price is off LTIR, Gallagher goes on it. We don't want them on at same time, but replacing Price's $10.5m LTIR with Gallagher's $6.5m is fine. And, as long as we have Price's LTIR, we can afford Gallagher.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

What do you mean by 'unwilling to draft top talent'?

I mean Reinbacher.

 

[Tyson]

I mean Reinbacher.

I won't argue that point but it's pretty early to know what the Habs have in this player.

 

[Sorinth]

Those teams (Leafs, Oilers) have an offensive system with zero care for defence and even if you put prime Hasek in nets, he wouldn't be able to be as effective as you think.


If it's the hardest how comes you can pick a decent #1B off waivers? Picking a 2C or a 3-4th D-man ogf waivers is pretty much impossible.

It's not just two teams that are looking for goalies, and even if those two have more problems then just bad goaltending, they very much are getting bad goaltending and have tried to get NHL level goaltending unsuccessfully for years.

As for why you can get a decent 1B off waivers, it's the same reason you can get 100+ point scorers outside the top picks. Player evaluation is actually hard, Florida went with Knight instead of Montembeault and that wasn't because it's easy to get a decent goalie it's because they mis-evaluated the two.

In fact the reason goalies generally don't get much in trades, and can be found in later rounds or on waivers more frequently then other positions is because they are harder to evaluate. Even more established goalies with NHL track records can go from looking like a good starters to not even NHL level from one season to another, so teams aren't going to want to pay a high trade price since to an extent they are getting a mystery box.

So getting a 1B off waivers isn't evidence that it's easy to find/fill the goalie position, it's evidence that it's actually very hard.