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Adding Manaea to Manoah in our rotation should be fun for Buck.
Blue Jays Discussion: The off-season is on. (Robbie Ray wins AL Cy Young)
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This excellent interview with Alex Anthopoulos not only covers his thought process and strategy while managing the Braves, but also a good bit of his time while managing the Jays and he's a lot more candid than he was back then (a little too frank; I've never seen him call any player a "turd" before. Might be a little high on his COVID treatments). This interview is an excellent example of why you should listen to what the GMs say about the process of acquiring and managing players, and NOT the journalists:
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Hendriks + Tellez would have gotten us Zobrist eh?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that gives me a few what if thoughts
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I read that too.
Pitchers go from horrible to Cy Young candidates once every 20 years.
Nice thought on the article but a switch to the NL and Dodger stadium will do more for Heaney than anything else.
From MLBTR:
Athletics Appear Set For Significant Payroll Reduction
By Steve Adams | November 9, 2021 at 7:29pm CDT
7:29 pm: Forst addressed the club’s likely forthcoming payroll cuts this evening, telling Jon Heyman of the MLB Network (Twitter link) the team is willing to field offers for any player on the roster. “This is the cycle for the A’s. We have to listen and be open to whatever comes out of this. This is our lot in Oakland until it’s not.”
Also,
The Dodgers made the surprising decision not to issue a qualifying offer to Clayton Kershaw before Sunday afternoon’s deadline. President of baseball operations Andrew Friedman told Fabian Ardaya of the Athletic (Twitter link) this evening that call was not any sort of indication the team wants to move forward without the three-time Cy Young award winner.
Athletics Appear Set For Significant Payroll Reduction
By Steve Adams | November 9, 2021 at 7:29pm CDT
7:29 pm: Forst addressed the club’s likely forthcoming payroll cuts this evening, telling Jon Heyman of the MLB Network (Twitter link) the team is willing to field offers for any player on the roster. “This is the cycle for the A’s. We have to listen and be open to whatever comes out of this. This is our lot in Oakland until it’s not.”
Also,
The Dodgers made the surprising decision not to issue a qualifying offer to Clayton Kershaw before Sunday afternoon’s deadline. President of baseball operations Andrew Friedman told Fabian Ardaya of the Athletic (Twitter link) this evening that call was not any sort of indication the team wants to move forward without the three-time Cy Young award winner.
Well, he wasn't left off any ballot. The writers vote for whatever manager they like, then the league announces the top three vote getters as finalists, and eventually, the top vote getter as the winner. But there is only one time that the writers vote and at that point, every manager is "on the ballet".
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2022 Toronto Blue Jays Top MLB Prospects
The 2025 lineup is basically the expect 2022 lineup with the exception of 3B and the backend of the rotation.
Horawitz looks like a guy to keep an eye on. Lefty 1B bat with great discipline but needs power. Had a good 2021 and a AFL.
The 2025 lineup is basically the expect 2022 lineup with the exception of 3B and the backend of the rotation.
Horawitz looks like a guy to keep an eye on. Lefty 1B bat with great discipline but needs power. Had a good 2021 and a AFL.
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Good decision. Didn't deserve to be on it anyways.
Yanks have talked to Correa and Seagar. It seems that an elite SS is in their future.
Personally, I have no qualms with offering the moon to Correa. He is everything we could want in a SS (Bo's already said that he will do whatever it takes to win and adding an elite defensive SS would allow Bo to be the leader he appears to be).
Personally, I have no qualms with offering the moon to Correa. He is everything we could want in a SS (Bo's already said that he will do whatever it takes to win and adding an elite defensive SS would allow Bo to be the leader he appears to be).
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Now that is a very interesting top 10;
Didnt think Smith, Tiedermann and Jimemez would be in the top 10 though Jimenez and Smith makes sense. I still Hiraldo in the top 10. A darkhorse is Adrian Hernandez. Good pitchability and promoted 3 levels in 2021 getting up to AA.
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I don't think the point of the article was to suggest that any of them are going to become Cy Young candidates. Merely it was looking at which guys have similar traits to Ray and could follow the same path he did to redeeming their careers. How far along the spectrum of "serviceable pitcher" to "elite shutdown arm" they get is somewhat irrelevant.
Horowitz has some kind of Lyle Overbay vibes. Which isn't terrible since you can always potentially unlock power more easily than you can just manifest guys into being good hitters with zone awareness. But given the construction of this team, its potential moving forward, and how the Jays and the league at large increasingly value the DH spot as a rotating rest stop for other good hitters in the lineup, I don't know how much the org can value a guy who profiles as a 1B/DH only and would be trapped behind Vlad and the rest of the core. Even hoping he peaks as "good bench bat" I'm not sure that it's in the team's best interest to carry a guy on the bench who can't be slotted into a better defensive position.
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I don't understand this...why would you take a C prospect and move him to a less valuable position, unless he can't handle C defensively (and from what I've read that's not the case at all...)?
On top of this, two of our top 5 prospects are already 3B, and there are 3B options on the market that can do an adequate job there for a year. Plus Espinal was more than fine at 3B last year.
I understand we have a surplus at C, but that's a great problem to have when so many other teams have a hole there. Particularly Florida.
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Free agent pitching targets
Rodon
Kershaw
Verlander
Gausman
Trade targets a's org
Maybe the reds
3b escobar
Pen arms
Such a craps shoot you never know but we need a couple
Personal trade bait
Kloff
2 of mac jansen and pudge
Lopez
Smith
Lordes or teo(depending on his agents ask has turned dowa extention already)
Grichuk idealy before the other 2
Moreno hidalgo martinez hogland n beltre are my untouchables
Almost untouchable is van eyk groshan pearson
Rodon
Kershaw
Verlander
Gausman
Trade targets a's org
Maybe the reds
3b escobar
Pen arms
Such a craps shoot you never know but we need a couple
Personal trade bait
Kloff
2 of mac jansen and pudge
Lopez
Smith
Lordes or teo(depending on his agents ask has turned dowa extention already)
Grichuk idealy before the other 2
Moreno hidalgo martinez hogland n beltre are my untouchables
Almost untouchable is van eyk groshan pearson
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Hiraldo and Van Eyk seem like strange (almost) untouchables. Hiraldo might even be available in the rule 5 draft pending whether the Jays think there's a risk someone takes a A ball SS with both him and Jimenez requiring protection.
Other than that I'm similar. Rodon, Gauseman, Gray, Ray with Kershaw, Verlander as potential other options. I'm all in on Corey Seager if he's willing to play 3rd but Escobar is a decent secondary option. Feels like 1 of Schwarber or Conforto might be something we might do as well.
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Yeah those 2 are my sleepers. But thats what you get for being attached to prospects lol
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I don't think he said Morneo moving to 3rd was a realistic end goal. I believe he said they had no intention of moving him off catcher right now and that seeing if he could handle additional positions was just about adding value to him in the form of potential flexibility if it ever became necessary.
EDIT: I didn't see that tweet where he says it was "very realistic" before. Last I saw was one where it was more like "we're trying to see if he can do it just because it might be useful."
I don't want to say this is a smokescreen, but I'll believe it when I see it. And for now I'd just happily go on presuming that Moreno's primary future is as a catcher. He's not really threatened at that position at all unless Jansen suddenly fully realizes his hitting potential or Kirk can sustain his peak performance while not being awful behind the plate.
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What the market's early days reveal about Blue Jays’ off-season script - Sportsnet.ca
What we know of the Blue Jays’ script so far is this: They made a strong offer for Andrew Heaney, according to an industry source, before the left-hander agreed on an $8-million, one-year deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers, and discussed an extension with Matz.
An intriguing question is whether a yes from one would have cut them off to the other, and that would be especially instructive about their intentions for the rotation. They’ll have to backfill for Ray and Matz if neither returns, making two starters a clear need, but successful upside plays akin to the ones both lefties provided in 2021 are essential for them.
Atkins met with Matz’s representatives Tuesday and as Ben Nicholson-Smith wrote here, the lefty was expected to arrive in Carlsbad to meet with interested clubs.
As a more established commodity than Heaney, Matz will get more term and a bigger number in average annual value, but adding both wouldn’t have precluded the Blue Jays from trying to land an impact player, as well.
The guess here is that the ideal target for them in that regard is Corey Seager, a dynamic left-handed hitter who could slide over to another infield spot the way Marcus Semien did last year.
But that market isn’t likely to play out any time soon – few, if any, impact free agents are expected to sign before the imminent lockout once the CBA expires Dec. 1 – so it could be a long while before the direction of their suite of moves is fully known.
Should they land an impact position player, that will make the need for them to land a top-flight starter via trade all the more acute, and the Reds, Athletics and perhaps Miami Marlins all have some to offer.
Between big-league roster surplus in the outfield and at catcher, farm-system depth (chill, Gabriel Moreno isn’t going anywhere) and payroll room, they’ll, in Atkins’ words, “have opportunities to make our team better.”
• One thing to watch for with the Blue Jays is how they structure any longer-term contracts they dish out, especially in 2023. As things stand, their financial flexibility next off-season is something they’ll need to manage around, since right now they won’t have any major money coming off the books and will need to accommodate Bo Bichette’s first time through arbitration, Vladimir Guerrero Jr.’s second time through, Teoscar Hernadez’s final turn before free agency and a potential bump for Jose Berrios, should he be extended. The pressure eases after 2023 when roughly $36 million in guarantees to Hyun-Jin Ryu, Randal Grichuk and Lourdes Gurriel Jr., comes off the books, with whatever Hernandez earns also getting erased. All of which puts extra pressure on any multi-year deal they sign this winter, since they may not have as much room to manoeuvre next off-season.
• The Blue Jays are expected to get a payroll hike approved later this week by parent company Rogers Communications Inc. (which also owns this website). Their planning was largely unaffected during the fight for control of the company, which was settled Friday when B.C. Supreme Court Justice Shelley Fitzpatrick ruled chairman Edward Rogers had the authority to replace board members through a written resolution, and the company said it would not appeal. He’s also the Blue Jays chair and a prime internal advocate for the club, and though the court case created uncertainty, the team is such a tiny portion of the overall business it wasn’t likely to be impacted.
What we know of the Blue Jays’ script so far is this: They made a strong offer for Andrew Heaney, according to an industry source, before the left-hander agreed on an $8-million, one-year deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers, and discussed an extension with Matz.
An intriguing question is whether a yes from one would have cut them off to the other, and that would be especially instructive about their intentions for the rotation. They’ll have to backfill for Ray and Matz if neither returns, making two starters a clear need, but successful upside plays akin to the ones both lefties provided in 2021 are essential for them.
Atkins met with Matz’s representatives Tuesday and as Ben Nicholson-Smith wrote here, the lefty was expected to arrive in Carlsbad to meet with interested clubs.
As a more established commodity than Heaney, Matz will get more term and a bigger number in average annual value, but adding both wouldn’t have precluded the Blue Jays from trying to land an impact player, as well.
The guess here is that the ideal target for them in that regard is Corey Seager, a dynamic left-handed hitter who could slide over to another infield spot the way Marcus Semien did last year.
But that market isn’t likely to play out any time soon – few, if any, impact free agents are expected to sign before the imminent lockout once the CBA expires Dec. 1 – so it could be a long while before the direction of their suite of moves is fully known.
Should they land an impact position player, that will make the need for them to land a top-flight starter via trade all the more acute, and the Reds, Athletics and perhaps Miami Marlins all have some to offer.
Between big-league roster surplus in the outfield and at catcher, farm-system depth (chill, Gabriel Moreno isn’t going anywhere) and payroll room, they’ll, in Atkins’ words, “have opportunities to make our team better.”
• One thing to watch for with the Blue Jays is how they structure any longer-term contracts they dish out, especially in 2023. As things stand, their financial flexibility next off-season is something they’ll need to manage around, since right now they won’t have any major money coming off the books and will need to accommodate Bo Bichette’s first time through arbitration, Vladimir Guerrero Jr.’s second time through, Teoscar Hernadez’s final turn before free agency and a potential bump for Jose Berrios, should he be extended. The pressure eases after 2023 when roughly $36 million in guarantees to Hyun-Jin Ryu, Randal Grichuk and Lourdes Gurriel Jr., comes off the books, with whatever Hernandez earns also getting erased. All of which puts extra pressure on any multi-year deal they sign this winter, since they may not have as much room to manoeuvre next off-season.
• The Blue Jays are expected to get a payroll hike approved later this week by parent company Rogers Communications Inc. (which also owns this website). Their planning was largely unaffected during the fight for control of the company, which was settled Friday when B.C. Supreme Court Justice Shelley Fitzpatrick ruled chairman Edward Rogers had the authority to replace board members through a written resolution, and the company said it would not appeal. He’s also the Blue Jays chair and a prime internal advocate for the club, and though the court case created uncertainty, the team is such a tiny portion of the overall business it wasn’t likely to be impacted.
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Offer Moreno an 10 year, total of 35 million dollar contract today. Who says no?
Haven't seen much Jon Singleton talk lately
Haven't seen much Jon Singleton talk lately
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