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yeah i am kind of curious to see how the owners go in to this offseason. will they focus on the new agreement prior to handing out mega deals or just start handing out contracts asap
 


Interesting. Would be down to sign him as a secondary option now that he doesn't cost a pick
 
as Pure as Evil said:
yeah i am kind of curious to see how the owners go in to this offseason. will they focus on the new agreement prior to handing out mega deals or just start handing out contracts asap
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The whole compensation pick thing expires with the current CBA on Dec. 1st, so there is a strong possibility you won't see QO players signed until Dec. 1st, or until they work that whole situation out.
 
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Dr.Funk said:
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Might be a Matz replacement.

I didn't like what I saw of Heaney this year but he was decent the previous 3 years. When you're trying to save money for bigger fish you have to fill in gaps in the roster with these reclamation types and hope you get positive value out of it.
 
I imagine that no matter what changes with the QO system in the forthcoming CBA (if anything changes) that the actions of this off-season will likely remain bound by the terms of the current agreement with respect to comp picks, QOs, signing free agents and whatnot and whatever new structure is ratified wouldn't take effect until next winter.

Teams and players would likely not be happy if they made decisions based on the landscape of right now, with its already set dates and deadlines, only to find that the choices they make turn out to be irrelevant or to their own detriment come December and a potentially radically different system.

What if a team signs a QO'd free agent because they want to get a jump on the market, only to find out that the new CBA ditches comp picks and if they'd waited 3 weeks they wouldn't have to sacrifice anything? What if a player accepts a QO now only to find that the new CBA ups the value of qualifying offers, meaning he left millions on the table with no ability to have waited it out because there's a ticking clock on qualifying acceptance?
 
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I definitely think the Jays will focus on pitching first. There isn't a ton of arms in the upper minors so they need to get pitching settled before anything else.

Jays can be a little more patience on the position player side since they have plenty of talent that's MLB ready (or not far off).
 
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Heaney sucked last year. no way around that. But I feel like people take these initial rumors as temperature-setters for the off-season. You see sports talk radio casual guys like Gordie from Sudbury calling in to rant about how it shows that cheapo Rogers and their apologist team management are going to walk away from contention in the name of saving dollars when all it means is "the Jays have checked in on this player and might be interested in signing him for the right price" with no indication of what context any of that is framed in. For all we know the Jays only look at him as a Spring Training invite type. Or he's Plan G if a bunch of other options fall through. Or they would sign him to a cheap deal to be the Matz of this next season, having a chance to battle for a spot and reclaim his past glory without it impacting what they want to do higher up in the rotation.

The other thing is that Heaney might be a sneaky good buy-low lottery ticket. Looking at his stat line from last year, yes there's that gaudy ERA. But very little else about his numbers screams "this guy has serious, unfixable problems and sucks now". His strikeout and walk rates weren't out of whack, he didn't serve up a ton more hits, he wasn't suddenly giving up a boatload of hard contact, etc. The thing that jumps out at me as curious is that he was throwing fewer pitches into the strike zone while also seeing his stuff out of the zone connected on more frequently (this includes foul balls and the like, not just balls in play) and according to pitch f/x he looks like he ditched his sinker for a 4-seam fastball (or at least his sinker flattened out to the extent that pitch f/x classified it as a 4-seamer.

Those seem like correctable issues. Tinker with his pitch mix and get him throwing the sinker again, and have him attack the zone more.
 
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Dr.Funk said:
Marcus Semien is your AL 2B Gold Glove Winner
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Pretty crazy that the Cards won all gold gloves for position players except for catcher, SS and LF. And Yadi Molina was a finalist for catcher.
 
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Trading for one of Castillo or Ramirez certainly fills a big hole for the next 2 years at a low payroll cost. Frees up more cash to do other things, but will require a fair bit of prospect capital.

Can we get either one done if the Jays aren't willing to deal their internal favorite 3 prospects? Quantity deal? My guess is no. Likely one of Groshans or Martinez as Moreno is basically untouchable by most accounts.
 
SDig14 said:
Trading for one of Castillo or Ramirez certainly fills a big hole for the next 2 years at a low payroll cost. Frees up more cash to do other things, but will require a fair bit of prospect capital.

Can we get either one done if the Jays aren't willing to deal their internal favorite 3 prospects? Quantity deal? My guess is no. Likely one of Groshans or Martinez as Moreno is basically untouchable by most accounts.
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If we're able to get both Ramirez and Castillo then you give up any prospect not named Moreno. Adding those 2 to our lineup would definitely make us AL East favorites.

To Toronto-
Castillo

To Reds-
Pearson
Groshans
Grichuk

To Toronto-
Ramirez

To Cleveland-
Kirk
Martinez
Gurriel
 
Brock Boeser Laser Show said:
Might be a Matz replacement.

I didn't like what I saw of Heaney this year but he was decent the previous 3 years. When you're trying to save money for bigger fish you have to fill in gaps in the roster with these reclamation types and hope you get positive value out of it.
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Considering how well they did with the reclamation projects making up pretty much 4/5 of our 5 man rotation this past season I see them going back to that well once again and seeing if Pete Walker can continue his magic
 


1st signing off the offseason was reported to be a guy the Jays were at least mildly interested in
 


Something not commonly brought up is if Gurriel gets dealt in a deal to upgrade 3B, we're going to need a corner outfielder. Grichuk is likely to be seen the door as well, I wouldnt hate a riskier high reward type signing like this.
 
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