Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Redpath]

I saw it. I also saw Cam Atkinson’s happy gif tweet.

Point is that Torts is painted as universally loathed by his players, which isn’t true. Just as many or more seem to like him than dislike him.

Don't forgot Zach Werenski, a young defensemen who thrived under Tortorella, for leaving a "Great hire" Instagram comment too.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

This schtick is amazing. Well done.

I enjoyed Hatcher more tbh.

 

[kudymen]

I enjoyed Hatcher more tbh.

True. Mango was able to poke fun of himself once a decade. These three just read like the same burner accounts licking each others balls.

 

[TB87]

This post puzzles me. What benefit/ value for the fans like you and me would that bring?

What Beef said. They’re striving to stay in the mushy middle. Striving for mediocrity. High picks are not a guarantee of future success. However, it is the simplest and most direct way to acquire high-end talent. That’s what they need. They need quite a bit of it to become a contender. They’d need to make good free agent signings and trades too. However, they have an idiot in charge. Soooo…building primarily through the draft it is (or should be at least). Making the playoffs to be 1st RD playoff fodder for good teams is what they’re looking to do. Half the teams in the league make the playoffs. That doesn’t consistute a successful season. I want them to build to become a contender. It’s going to take time.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What Torts and Management have in common: They both cling to an obsolete version of hockey. An abhorrence of skill.


What they don't: a LOT else. They disagree on blindly clinging to roles. They disagree on the inherent value of veterans. Fletcher clings to brainless slobs who look busy, Tortorella doghouses them.

They're mostly divergent on some core approaches to the game. Maybe they find agreement on overstressing safety and two-way play over scoring. But overall there's likely to be a shitload of friction over how to get there. It's hard to envision this working, even beyond it being another desperate attempt to cling to a dead era.

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

cool, stuck in neutral for the next 4 years.

maybe by the end, Comcast will have sold and some of the bullies have been gone

 

[JojoTheWhale]

For the record, my opinion of Tortorella today is higher than it was of Vigneault on the day he was hired. Getting them back to the playoff bubble while still being completely irrelevant feels overwhelmingly likely. Then the slow heat death by Year 3 or so.

I'll toss out a key adjustment that will tell you early if he's learned a single thing. Watch the breakouts from their own zone. He stopped having much Winger support his last few years in Columbus. I get that this has positives and negatives, but it was a blindingly clear example of his risk aversion. That's where so much of their offense died. It's not like they have the defensive corps to do well in that aspect without systemic help.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

This. Right. Here.


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All the talk of stiffies got homer and Clarke all riled up

 

[TCTC]

Don't forgot Zach Werenski, a young defensemen who thrived under Tortorella, for leaving a "Great hire" Instagram comment too.

Really shows you the difference of perspective between players and fans. We can all act like we're experts, but at the end of the day it's the players who experience the coaches first hand.

 

[GKJ]

When the team does not have "immediate success" in October and November it's going to be fun to hear all the excuses. I think Fletcher will be gone by Christmas.

Fletcher is only still around so they can catch peoples attention when he does get fired. He’s a dead man walking and too stupid to realize it.

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

Torta can't succeed because he's just too good. That's a take.

Deadhead's absurd rationalizations are getting better... at least that's one positive thing in Flyer Bully Land

 

[RANKKA]

TK avg ice time next season over or under 12?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

He’s a dead man walking and too stupid to realize it.

I think he realizes it exactly. I never wanted him as GM and I certainly don't think he's done a good job, but he's been in full Clarke placation mode since last summer.

 

[BigToe]

I'll toss out a key adjustment that will tell you early if he's learned a single thing. Watch the breakouts from their own zone. He stopped having much Winger support his last few years in Columbus. I get that this has positives and negatives, but it was a blindingly clear example of his risk aversion. That's where so much of their offense died. It's not like they have the defensive corps to do well in that aspect without systemic help.

What are the positives?

 

[FLYguy3911]

He’s a demanding coach who has been disliked by some players but it seems like a lot more of his players absolutely love him and talk a lot about how he pushed them and made them better.
Some examples

I mean I'm sure Torts has his fans (Atkinson), but what do you expect players to say in public?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What are the positives?

The idea is that it forces opposing Defensemen to stay further back and makes them less likely to pinch.

 

[kudymen]

I mean I'm sure Torts has his fans (Atkinson), but what do you expect players to say in public?

Isnt it lovely? For years: "thats just GM talk. What do you expect him to say???"

17th Jun: "HE IS LIKED, SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING NICE!!!"

 

[Chinatown88]

I give it 1.5 seasons before he's canned.

Just to make my opinion clear for anti Hivemind™ crowd, I don't want Torts.

 

[SuchySays]

Alright baby Torts. Lets turn this shithole around

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Let's have a hypothetical here. Flyers do hire Monti, what would be the sentiments on this board:
Flyers connection?
alcoholic?
have never won anything?
ruined our chance at the first overall?

The majority of the board were going to complain about the coach regardless of whom they hired.

Hell, you've got fans who constantly grouse about the Flyers playing vets over kids now taking Brandon Dubinsky's side, a veteran who whined that Torts gave two high drafts picks ice time over him without "earning" it.

Even if they hired a young unproven coach for his first NHL gig, which is what many seemed to want, they would have spent their time complaining about how the Flyers were setting him up to fail and that he had no chance to succeed from the outset. Sort of like how they say Makar and Heiskanen would have been ruined by the Flyers so it doesn't matter that they passed on them.

 

[kudymen]

I give it 1.5 seasons before he's canned.

Would paying $9M total to coaches outside the organization be a good management?

 

[Chinatown88]

Would paying $9M total to coaches outside the organization be a good management?

It's great management just like offloading a bunch of draft picks because your Martini obsessed former coach couldn't figure out how to use a certain defenseman and then you spend more assets to get the best defenseman possible.

 

[PhillyWings]

cool, stuck in neutral for the next 4 years.

maybe by the end, Comcast will have sold and some of the bullies have been gone

Stuck in neutral? That's assuming the team does not get hit by a rash of injuries or quit on torts sooner rather than later.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Stuck in neutral? That's assuming the team does not get hit by a rash of injuries or quit on torts sooner rather than later.

I think there's a high chance that Torts will quit on the morons in charge before the team quits on him.

If he suddenly goes strangely stupid, that could be him trying to get fired.

 

[Rebels57]

Would be great if someone who has the ability to Tweet would call Cam out for being a moron that has no idea what a good coach is because he's never had one.