Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[deadhead]

Bednar, Brind'Amour, Sullivan, and Trotz (definitely Trotz) all come immediately to mind without digging further. I'm quite confident with deeper digging and comparison there won't be that much difference between him and most coaches with long careers, actually. Otherwise if he were the magician you claim then his teams would be a lot better.

None of them have a good track record developing players taken past the 1st round.
Go look it up, Sullivan's success was from the players on his AHL team, since then few players have made from the Pen system.
Same with the other three.

 

[Magua]

“Torts will be fun to watch…..”

*blows away dust*

“…..this forum self destruct over. That’s where my endless entertainment lies, not the hockey.”

 

[deadhead]

Who are we magically crediting Torts with developing on the Rangers or Blue Jackets? Derek Stepan? Carl Hagelin? A bunch of first rounders in Columbus that are mostly solid yet unspectacular players?

CBJ: Josh Anderson (#95), Bjorkstrand (#89), Merzlikins G (#76), Gavrikov (#159), Nutivaara (#189)
NY: Anisimov (#54), Hagelin (#168), Stepan (#51), Fast (#157)
TB: Martin St Louis (UFA), Richards (#64), Ranger (#183)

 

[Beef Invictus]

Solid hire. The divas will be gone shortly. Players will be accountable

Every time this team "holds players accountable" it sets them back a decade or more.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Who are we magically crediting Torts with developing on the Rangers or Blue Jackets? Derek Stepan? Carl Hagelin? A bunch of first rounders in Columbus that are mostly solid yet unspectacular players?

The guy has been really average since winning the cup nearly 20 years ago. The only reason he's so high on the win list is because of Lundqvist and longevity based on his "accountability" mystique, so teams keep giving him shots.

Yeah. I'm real baffled at where this developmental magic is to be found.

Meanwhile, DH throws a ton of heat at Trotz for "preferring veterans" but his track record for development outside the first round is better.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You know, one would figure that after talking for months and months about how if they hire a dinosaur that means Holmgren and the Cronies won that that same person would be up in arms and roasting this coach selection.

Nope, just total ball washing because it’s fun to be a contrarian and support the franchise in all endeavors.

 

[Hockeypete49]

I wish Torts the best cause this team needs it

 

[Beef Invictus]

None of them have a good track record developing players taken past the 1st round.
Go look it up, Sullivan's success was from the players on his AHL team, since then few players have made from the Pen system.
Same with the other three.

Oh, Sullivan's success was with players he developed?

You really need to review Torts actual record and compare it to the others. I have. This magical development wizardry you have hyped since yesterday just isn't a thing.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Oh, Sullivan's success was with players he developed?

You really need to review Torts actual record and compare it to the others. I have. This magical development wizardry you have hyped since yesterday just isn't a thing.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Don't look now, but Cooper's track record on non-first round players is also far better than Torts'. TB is built on it.

 

[BiggE]

Are Cuck and the Corroded Cronies still running the show? Yes? Well then, you could hire Trotz, Torts, Tarts or Tweedle Dee and Dum and it won’t matter. The only mystery heading into the 22-23 season is will they be a bottom 5 team or, if they get lucky injury wise, a team that finishes 10th or 11th in the East.

The team is managed by fossils and simpletons, the coach isn’t gonna make much of a difference.

 

[deadhead]

Yeah. I'm real baffled at where this developmental magic is to be found.

Meanwhile, DH throws a ton of heat at Trotz for "preferring veterans" but his track record for development outside the first round is better.

It would help if Beef actually substantiated his claims.

NYI: Toews (#108), Mayfield (#34) [Pelech was a top 4 starter before Trotz arrived]
Wash: Orlov (#55) started before Trotz, was injured, then took it to the next level with Trotz,
(can't credit him with Stephenson, who didn't emerge until he got away from Trotz)

So he hasn't excelled at player development his last two stops, bought and traded for players in NY (Pageau, Palmieri, Clutterbuck, Greene). Same in Washington (Oshie, Niskanen, etc.)

Nashville is a different situation, as the 1st HC of an expansion team he was under no pressure to win for a few years, still did a good job of developing players the decade after they were a PO team.
Klein (#37), Weber (#49), Santorelli (#178), Rinne G (#258), Franson (#79), Hornqvist (#230), Spaling (#58), Josi (#38), C Smith #98), Ekholm (#102), Bourque (#132).

 

[Beef Invictus]

It would help if Beef actually substantiated his claims.

NYI: Toews (#108), Mayfield (#34) [Pelech was a top 4 starter before Trotz arrived]
Wash: Orlov (#55) started before Trotz, was injured, then took it to the next level with Trotz,
(can't credit him with Stephenson, who didn't emerge until he got away from Trotz)

So he hasn't excelled at player development his last two stops, bought and traded for players in NY (Pageau, Palmieri, Clutterbuck, Greene). Same in Washington (Oshie, Niskanen, etc.)

Nashville is a different situation, as the 1st HC of an expansion team he was under no pressure to win for a few years, still did a good job of developing players the decade after they were a PO team.
Klein (#37), Weber (#49), Santorelli (#178), Rinne G (#258), Franson (#79), Hornqvist (#230), Spaling (#58), Josi (#38), C Smith #98), Ekholm (#102), Bourque (#132).

I like how you substantiate the claim for me and debunk your own objection.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Lol. ASF updated his story. What do you know the company they hired represented Tortorella for years.

This franchise is top notch.

UPDATE: Below is the story I published yesterday regarding the Flyers hiring John Tortorella. An official announcement is expected tomorrow (Friday).

This update is to provide more information about the outside agency that the Flyers hired to support their coaching search.

According to one league source and confirmed by a source within the Flyers organization, the company that the Flyers hired is The Coaches Agency, whose founder and president is Neil Glasberg.

According to their website, “The Coaches Agency is a search firm designed to help you find the best coach and/or team manager for your opportunity. Period.”

The Coaches Agency lists the Vancouver Canucks and Anaheim Ducks as clients.

Glasberg also owns PBI Sports and Entertainment. According to its website, PBI is a representation agency for Pro Coaches, NCAA Coaches, Front Office management personnel across all team sports, as well as entertainment artists.

This means Glasberg also serves as an agent representing certain NHL coaches and has a stable of assistants and other coaches throughout the hockey world for who he finds work and negotiates deals and contracts and gets paid by his clients as well.

That’s a good deal. Get paid by teams hiring you to help them find their next coach and then get paid by the coach or manager if you get them a job. Just dodge the potential conflicts of interest, and all is hunky dory.

Glasberg’s coaching clients include current Penguins coach Mike Sullivan and current Rangers coach Gerard Gallant. He also has former New Jersey Devil assistant (and former Flyer) Mark Recchi in his stable as well as former Flyers interim coach Scott Gordon, among others.

Tortorella was previously a client of Glasberg (he’s not now), while in Vancouver and part of his time in Columbus (and possibly prior, although I was unable to confirm that).

 

[Magua]

The best development coach in the league. I’m dying. Not of laughter. Flesh eating bacteria are in my brain.

 

[TonyDeAngelo]

I said they should hire John Tortorella in the Mike Yeo will not be retained as head coach thread! I'm so happy about this hiring! He will hold them accountable he won't be like AV telling the media they got a lot of good looks after brutal losses! Now we have to land Johnny Hockey!

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The best development coach in the league. I’m dying. Not of laughter. Flesh eating bacteria are in my brain.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

AV would put Voracek on the fourth line at times, he scratched Konecny/Gostisbehere, he called out players through the media, etc.

 

[deadhead]

Yeah. I'm real baffled at where this developmental magic is to be found.

Meanwhile, DH throws a ton of heat at Trotz for "preferring veterans" but his track record for development outside the first round is better.

Cooper has done a fine job in TB, but that's his only stop (i.e. do it once, is it scouting or coaching, do it three different places it's more likely to be coaching) - 9 years:

Gudas (#66), Killorn (#77, though started half a season before Cooper), Kucherov (#58), Palat (#208), Paquette (#101), Point (#79), Cirelli (#72), Colton (#118), Johnson (UFA), Gourde (UFA)

 

[Beef Invictus]

Cooper has done a fine job in TB, but that's his only stop (i.e. do it once, is it scouting or coaching, do it three different places it's more likely to be coaching) - 9 years:

Gudas (#66), Killorn (#77, though started half a season before Cooper), Kucherov (#58), Palat (#208), Paquette (#101), Point (#79), Cirelli (#72), Colton (#118), Johnson (UFA), Gourde (UFA)

You are doing well to prove my point that Tortorella isn't the best development coach in the league, yes

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Deady, I'm begging you. Stop using things from 20 years ago to equate to today. Tortorella "developing" MSL is the same thing as you telling me Brady and Brees being drafted after the first round mean you can still do that today and plan to succeed. I was in undergrad when these things happened. I am so old I would be behind bulletproof glass in a liquor store.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You are doing well to prove my point that Tortorella isn't the best development coach in the league, yes

Must be that he’s using a different definition of the word “best” then the rest of us.

Clearly just a misunderstanding between all parties involved. It happens a lot.

 

[deadhead]

Sullivan took over in the 2015-16 season:
Rust (#80), Murray G (#83), Dumoulin (#51), Blueger (#52), Guentzel (#77), Simon (#137), Sprong (#46), Sheary (UFA)
Rust, Murray, Dumoulin, Sheary, Simon all played for him at Scranton.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sullivan took over in the 2015-16 season:
Rust (#80), Murray G (#83), Dumoulin (#51), Blueger (#52), Guentzel (#77), Simon (#137), Sprong (#46), Sheary (UFA)
Rust, Murray, Dumoulin, Sheary, Simon all played for him at Scranton.

That's some extremely impressive development

 

[JojoTheWhale]

When Vigneault had the players Tortorella "developed," it showed that he was an excellent coach because he could win with subpar stars. Now they're evidence of Tortorella's otherworldliness. I keep smelling for burnt toast, just in case.