Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Curufinwe]

Doesn't seem like that much money for a coach with a Cup and a long winning record.

It's still a bad hire, but I don't care at all about the money. Just like AV, if the results aren't there after 2-3 years he'll be fired.

 

[Embiid]

Like AV, Flyers hired Tortorella to fire him and permanently get him out of the league.

 

[Danko]

Doesn't seem like that much money for a coach with a Cup and a long winning record.

It's still a bad hire, but I don't care at all about the money. Just like AV, if the results aren't there after 2-3 years he'll be fired.

paying for 3 coaches at once is such a flyers thing.

 

[renberg]

I wonder who Torts will bring in as his assistants?

 

[deadhead]

Torts will be fun to watch, and after reviewing his record, even if he's not the cleverest HC when it comes to scheming, he may be the best HC in the NHL when it comes to developing young players, especially those drafted after the first round. He's turned later round picks into stars in TB, NY and CBJ.

I've got the impression his MO is to identify a high draft pick/young star with a sense of entitlement, ride them hard to either turn them around or make it clear to other young players that everyone on the team is expected to be in shape, play hard and play the "right way." And that your draft status, salary or "name" doesn't guarantee you a job or PT.

On a lot of teams, late draft picks are behind the 8-ball, but with Torts, how you practice determines whether you play, and how you play determines how much you'll play - and he couldn't give a shit if your were #1 or an undrafted free agent. And he'll tell you so.

 

[Embiid]

I wonder who Torts will bring in as his assistants?

AV and Therrien...

 

[Rebels57]

Friedman said the Flyers interviewed Jack Capuano.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Barnaby played 58 games for Torts in 2000-2002, 8 points, -10, 10:14, then got traded to the Rangers for Zdeno Ciger.
But he doesn't have an ax to grind.
The year after they dumped him, Torts took TB to the playoffs.
The only old players on that team, Andreychuk (39), Tim Taylor (33). Jason Cullimore (30)
The next year they added Stillman (30) and won the Cup.

As far as stifling offensive players,
Martin St Louis (UFA) blossomed under Torts, Brad Richards (#64) same, Pavel Kabina D (#179), Stillman had his career year in TB.

Then Barnaby did better elsewhere.

If you're trying to prove Tortorella didn't know how to use a player, you've succeeded.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts will be fun to watch,

So, you've never watched one of his teams before

and after reviewing his record, even if he's not the cleverest HC when it comes to scheming, he may be the best HC in the NHL when it comes to developing young players, especially those drafted after the first round. He's turned later round picks into stars in TB, NY and CBJ.

I've got the impression his MO is to identify a high draft pick/young star with a sense of entitlement, ride them hard to either turn them around or make it clear to other young players that everyone on the team is expected to be in shape, play hard and play the "right way." And that your draft status, salary or "name" doesn't guarantee you a job or PT.

On a lot of teams, late draft picks are behind the 8-ball, but with Torts, how you practice determines whether you play, and how you play determines how much you'll play - and he couldn't give a shit if your were #1 or an undrafted free agent. And he'll tell you so.

No.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

AV and Therrien...

Hakstol

 

[Adam Warlock]

Torts will be fun to watch, and after reviewing his record, even if he's not the cleverest HC when it comes to scheming, he may be the best HC in the NHL when it comes to developing young players, especially those drafted after the first round. He's turned later round picks into stars in TB, NY and CBJ.

I've got the impression his MO is to identify a high draft pick/young star with a sense of entitlement, ride them hard to either turn them around or make it clear to other young players that everyone on the team is expected to be in shape, play hard and play the "right way." And that your draft status, salary or "name" doesn't guarantee you a job or PT.

On a lot of teams, late draft picks are behind the 8-ball, but with Torts, how you practice determines whether you play, and how you play determines how much you'll play - and he couldn't give a shit if your were #1 or an undrafted free agent. And he'll tell you so.

If that is true...he would be a good fit for guys like Cates, Laczynski, Allison, etc

But until theyre playing games next season with a youthful line up and not repeating last offseasons brassard, yandle, thompson signings...im gonna be skeptical.

TK, Provorov, Sanheim, York, Farabee, Cates, Laczynski, Allison, Frost, Tippett, Brink, Lindblom, and Hart... thats the talent you have to unlock. I dont care what players you bring...if youre gonna be competative anytime soon they need 75% of those guys (and 100% hart) to develop...which means they need to play. If guys get pushed aside for Torts pets itll just be AV 2.0

 

[deadhead]

So, you've never watched one of his teams before



No.

So who has a better track record of producing stars and solid starters out of players picked outside the first round?

I don't think the PTB picked him for that reason, they're looking at his track record of producing fast turnarounds, but whether they examined how he did it is a good question.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If Tortorella were this magical at developing youth I'd expect his teams to be...you know....good.

 

[Flyerfan18]

Solid hire. The divas will be gone shortly. Players will be accountable

 

[deadhead]

If that is true...he would be a good fit for guys like Cates, Laczynski, Allison, etc

But until theyre playing games next season with a youthful line up and not repeating last offseasons brassard, yandle, thompson signings...im gonna be skeptical.

TK, Provorov, Sanheim, York, Farabee, Cates, Laczynski, Allison, Frost, Tippett, Brink, Lindblom, and Hart... thats the talent you have to unlock. I dont care what players you bring...if youre gonna be competative anytime soon they need 75% of those guys (and 100% hart) to develop...which means they need to play. If guys get pushed aside for Torts pets itll just be AV 2.0

Thing is, I can't identify anyone who was a Torts pet at any of his stops.
He rarely brought in veterans, a couple times at the TDL, didn't dig deep enough to find out why (injuries? rookies falling short?).
But he's played a lot of prospects, even on his playoff teams.

This is the reason I like him more than Trotz for this team, if they're not good enough to compete immediately, then better a coach who will let prospects sink or swim instead of bringing in his favorite scrubs (see Trotz on the Islanders). Most trades made with Trots as HC (how much influence did he have?) seem to be young player who's a bad fit for a young player who's a better fit (or can handle him).

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I don’t think Barnaby is that bad as a studio analyst on nhl talk shows. He is sometimes on the sirius nhl channel. Barnaby isn’t wrong tho.

 

[Embiid]

Hakstol

Somehow he is still employed though which is an indictment of the gruesome twosome..

 

[deadhead]

If Tortorella were this magical at developing youth I'd expect his teams to be...you know....good.

Yeah, like taking a 69 point TB team to 4 playoff appearances and a SC, 87 point Ranger team to 3 playoffs and a conference finals appearance, 76 point CBJ team to 4 playoff appearances, twice into the 2nd rd.

I dunno, seems you could do worse.
On the bright side, he won't mail it in like AV, he might implode, more like he'll explode the FO.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Solid hire. The divas will be gone shortly. Players will be accountable

Couldn't agree more. Get some guys who give a shit and will block shots.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So who has a better track record of producing stars and solid starters out of players picked outside the first round?

I don't think the PTB picked him for that reason, they're looking at his track record of producing fast turnarounds, but whether they examined how he did it is a good question.

Bednar, Brind'Amour, Sullivan, and Trotz (definitely Trotz) all come immediately to mind without digging further. I'm quite confident with deeper digging and comparison there won't be that much difference between him and most coaches with long careers, actually. Otherwise if he were the magician you claim then his teams would be a lot better.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, like taking a 69 point TB team to 4 playoff appearances and a SC, 87 point Ranger team to 3 playoffs and a conference finals appearance, 76 point CBJ team to 4 playoff appearances, twice into the 2nd rd.

I dunno, seems you could do worse.
On the bright side, he won't mail it in like AV, he might implode, more like he'll explode the FO.

Is he also the GM of these teams?

It's interesting how hard you've swung from "COACHING DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL STOP BLAMING MY FAVORITE COACH" to "COACHING IS EVERYTHING, PLEASE DON'T HOLD FLETCHER ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING."

btw playoff appearances aren't impressive. This record across two decades is seriously not as awe-inspiring as you think.

 

[deadhead]

Then Barnaby did better elsewhere.

If you're trying to prove Tortorella didn't know how to use a player, you've succeeded.

Barnaby was the kind of scrub you hate, don't start fluffing him now.
There's no doubt Barnaby was in Torts' doghouse, yes, he became a mediocre third line forward away from Trots for a couple seasons.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Barnaby was the kind of scrub you hate, don't start fluffing him now.
There's no doubt Barnaby was in Torts' doghouse, yes, he became a mediocre third line forward away from Trots for a couple seasons.

It's not fluffing him. It's fact that Tortorella couldn't figure out how to use a player others could. Bringing that up doesn't help your argument.

 

[flyershockey]

Who are we magically crediting Torts with developing on the Rangers or Blue Jackets? Derek Stepan? Carl Hagelin? A bunch of first rounders in Columbus that are mostly solid yet unspectacular players?

The guy has been really average since winning the cup nearly 20 years ago. The only reason he's so high on the win list is because of Lundqvist and longevity based on his "accountability" mystique, so teams keep giving him shots.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Solid hire. The divas will be gone shortly. Players will be accountable

The f***ing irony given Torts is probably the biggest diva in the room.