Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[LegionOfDoom91]

I’m praying Zegras pulls a Michigan against the Flyers next year.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I mean that's par for the course around the league - Berube got a Cup off a good playoff run by Bennington. Pittsburgh won Cups when Fleury and/or Murray were hot, and exited quickly when they were cold.

I think Torts bigger problem is he gets a team to a certain level and just hasn't had a GM that can make the moves to take a team up a tier - certainly the CBJ GM didn't do a great job, blew a bunch of 1st rd picks, got stolen blind by Vegas in the ED, gave up a bunch of assets at the TDL for Dzingel and Duchene (Duclair, 1st, (2) 2nds) then let Panarin, Duchene and Dzingel walk in FA.

In NY, they made some good moves to reload, 3rd for Boyle, Gomez for McDonagh and Higgins, but (2) 2nds for Erixon, who was then flipped with a 1st, Anisimov and Dubinsky for Rick Nash was hemorrhaging value. When TDL trades for Clowe and Brassard didn't get them over the hump, they moved on from Trots. Picking up St Louis at the TDL the next year helped AV get to the SC Finals but cost them (2) 1st rd picks. The next TDL, they gave a 1st, 2nd & Duclair for Yandle but came up short in the CF.

In a sense he's too successful too fast - doesn't leave a team picking in the top ten for 2-3 years before he turns them around. So he needs his GM to make that great trade once he gets a team to a certain level.

Torta can't succeed because he's just too good. That's a take.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

2 weeks ago: Completely anti-dino

<1 week ago when it’s leaked that Torts is a favorite: Torts is the most progressive Dino. He might even be the best option!

Today: Torts is the best developmental coach in the league!!!

 

[Magua]

I’m praying Zegras pulls a Michigan against the Flyers next year.

I’m praying Fletcher signs Jay Beagle.

 

[Beef Invictus]

2022-23:
Stone (30), Karlsson (30), Marchessault (32), Pacioretty (34), Janmark (30), Pietrangelo (33), McNabb (32), Martinez (35)
They have a lot of older veterans playing major roles.

You missed a few players.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I’m praying Fletcher signs Jay Beagle.

He likes terrible players so it’s definitely a fit.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I didn't want Torts or any other Dino, but of all the Dinos, he's the best option for THIS team.
Because he won't bring in 3 or 4 scrub favorites, or try to recreate the Islander 4th line.

He's basically the best of the worst options.
His track record says he'll play the kids, after he's finished flaying them.

Fletcher will keep trying to recreate the Islanders no matter who the coach is. He is the GM. He makes those decisions. Not the coach.

 

[freakydallas13]

Speaking of development, I wonder what we will get after the Wonderslobs meet with him and let him know their urgent priority is brutally squeezing all skill, creativity, initiative, and cuteness out of players to make them bastions of no-risk safety?

One worries.

The only development this team will do starts in the bowels and ends in a toilet.

 

[deadhead]

Here's a bit more detail on that:

“I was thrilled with the trade,” Dubinsky said. “I loved New York and I liked being on a winning team. So I didn’t like getting traded to the worst team in the league. But me and John Tortorella (then the Rangers’ coach) were a shit show during my last year in New York.

“It wasn’t a good year. We weren’t getting along. I didn’t agree with the decisions he was making for me, so for me, Columbus was a fresh start. I was energized and excited. I was back to playing the way I knew how to play.”

He played under coach Todd Richards his first four seasons in Columbus, but when the Blue Jackets started the 2015-16 season with seven consecutive losses, Richards was fired. Blue Jackets management felt as if the next coach needed to have a firmer hand.

Tortorella was hired by the Blue Jackets on Oct. 21, 2015. Dubinsky smirked and said all the right things, but he was privately crestfallen, he said.

“I always respected Todd,” Dubinsky said. “I wish, looking back, that other players would have respected the way he coached and treated them and allowed them to make mistakes. I wish they would have respected him by playing harder for him. His downfall was he wasn’t hard enough on guys.

With budding centers Pierre-Luc Dubois and Alexander Wennberg in the organization, Dubinsky said Tortorella made it clear to him after the 2016-17 season that he should expect a different role when he arrived for training camp in the fall. (He had his first wrist surgery about a month after the season.)

“It was pretty clear he was going to give some younger guys opportunities,” Dubinsky said. “I didn’t agree with it. I came into this league — I know it’s a different league now — but I started on the fourth line and played my way up. I played on the power play and penalty kill because I earned those minutes.

“I felt like he just took those minutes away and gave them to somebody else who hadn’t earned them yet. I didn’t agree with it. I didn’t agree with him and his coaching and obviously that doesn’t work for him. So that was the beginning of the end for him and me.”

Dubinsky always had a big frame, natural strength and a relentless passion for competition, but he was never the most physically fit player on his team. “I certainly didn’t look like a Greek statue,” he said.

Brandon Dubinsky, outspoken as ever, on how it ended with John Tortorella and the Blue Jackets

Dubinsky remains a popular figure at Nationwide Arena but holds no regrets about stepping away from the ice two seasons ago.

theathletic.com

 

[Flyerfan18]

What about the people who haven't focused on those things but instead focus on his far-outdated, obsolete view of hockey?

It’s actually the opposite. Torts understands the game. Should be much more enjoyable to watch.

 

[renberg]

So, you've never watched one of his teams before



No.

Sorry Beef but his teams are fun to watch since they usually compete from puck drop to the buzzer. Living now in Ohio as I am now, the Jackets games are on most of the time. They may not win but they play hard.
Additionally he does give young players a shot. No way he would have catered to Yandle like the Flyers did last season. Or for that matter, Thompson or other useless oldsters. As DH has cited, he has done a good job bringing along Werensky and others. Certainly better than the Flyers have- I know, low bar.

 

[BiggE]

The suffering is endless, the pain is eternal
Be a f***ing Flyer

 

[freakydallas13]

They may not win but they play hard.

I'll take "Flyers' mantra" for 800 Alex

 

[Beef Invictus]

It’s actually the opposite. Torts understands the game. Should be much more enjoyable to watch.

If he understands the game, then why aren't his teams on the cutting edge? Why did the game pass him by?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sorry Beef but his teams are fun to watch since they usually compete from puck drop to the buzzer. Living now in Ohio as I am now, the Jackets games are on most of the time. They may not win but they play hard.
Additionally he does give young players a shot. No way he would have catered to Yandle like the Flyers did last season. Or for that matter, Thompson or other useless oldsters. As DH has cited, he has done a good job bringing along Werensky and others. Certainly better than the Flyers have- I know, low bar.

Sorry renberg, I've watched his teams. They aren't fun to watch.

 

[Rebels57]

Deady, I'm begging you. Stop using things from 20 years ago to equate to today. Tortorella "developing" MSL is the same thing as you telling me Brady and Brees being drafted after the first round mean you can still do that today and plan to succeed. I was in undergrad when these things happened. I am so old I would be behind bulletproof glass in a liquor store.

JoJo, im begging you, stop giving trolls the attention they seek.

Imagine thinking torts is the best development coach there is.

Imagine people still feeding a message board attention whore for 8 plus years.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

2022-23:
Stone (30), Karlsson (30), Marchessault (32), Pacioretty (34), Janmark (30), Pietrangelo (33), McNabb (32), Martinez (35)
They have a lot of older veterans playing major roles.

Vegas was 13th highest in roster age last year. I don't know if you're aware this tool is available, so here you go:

Elite Prospects - Team Comparison in NHL

Compare average height, weight and age in NHL.

www.eliteprospects.com

Now Columbus had some wildly young rosters during his time there. But why are we crediting that to Tortorella and not the front office? To be fair, you're at least consistent with these things being coaching choices, but I really don't understand it.

 

[Randy d Wiseman]

good luck john in philly. sure appreciate what you did for the jackets. just win baby. the haters will hate but i see you getting coach of the yr real soon partner. do it your way and if the kids can't handle the hard work then bench their asses.

 

[Larry44]

Never cared for the guy. Wouldn’t want his opinion on anything.

Actually, I hated Barnaby as a player too, but he is a quite insightful and funny radio commentator, to my surprise.

Got to hear him a lot on Toronto sports stations in the before time when my commute was 1.5 hours, not 12 stairs to the basement.

 

[Larry44]

good luck john in philly. sure appreciate what you did for the jackets. just win baby. the haters will hate but i see you getting coach of the yr real soon partner. do it your way and if the kids can't handle the hard work then bench their asses.

Torturella will be gone by Christmas 2023, which is his plan. AV told him how to scam Comcast, and he just cashed in! Cha-Ching! Fake it for a couple years and get canned early. #MoneyForNothing

 

[Randy d Wiseman]

i don't want to hear that man.give the man benifit of the doubt here and see where it goes.guy is a good coach and will stick up for his players, but also wants results just as much as you fans . give me a J and a O and a H and a N john john john .lol

 

[deadhead]

Vegas was 13th highest in roster age last year. I don't know if you're aware this tool is available, so here you go:

Elite Prospects - Team Comparison in NHL

Compare average height, weight and age in NHL.

www.eliteprospects.com

Now Columbus had some wildly young rosters during his time there. But why are we crediting that to Tortorella and not the front office? To be fair, you're at least consistent with these things being coaching choices, but I really don't understand it.

Torts played those young players, a lot of veteran coaches would lobby their GM to get them some veterans who know how to play the game because they get frustrated coaching up young players and their inevitable mistakes. In fact, Dubinsky even says that was one of his bones of contention, that Torts would play younger players "who didn't pay their dues" over him (talk about Dino 'tude).

That doesn't make him a great HC, but it makes him a good fit for a team that lacks elite talent but has a lot of young players who should cycle through the next two years or so and need to be developed and evaluated. Isn't the biggest complaint around here that AV played veterans over kids?

I'd prefer a young HC who could grow with the team, but Trots is 64, it'll be interesting to see who he brings in as his assistants, and who ends up coaching LHV. You'd think this would be a good opportunity to groom a young HC candidate internally.

You know better than to use average age, you can rotate through a lot of young scrubs (we did the last few years) and lower your average age with fungible players.
What matters are the ages of your key players, your top 6-9 forwards and top 4 D-men. Because it's easier to replace a 4th line veteran than a 2nd line scoring winger.

 

[captainpaxil]

Given the current state of the roster I don't think anyone was going to be the coach more than 3 years. So two years from now if we look at frost and say he's better for having played for Tortorella that's development despite the fact I would have chosen a different scheme to run.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torturella will be gone by Christmas 2023, which is his plan. AV told him how to scam Comcast, and he just cashed in! Cha-Ching! Fake it for a couple years and get canned early. #MoneyForNothing

Pretty sure he spent his last year in Columbus trying to get fired once their roster started moving on.

If he and Fletcher don't agree he'll cash out.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Torts played those young players, a lot of veteran coaches would lobby their GM to get them some veterans who know how to play the game because they get frustrated coaching up young players and their inevitable mistakes. In fact, Dubinsky even says that was one of his bones of contention, that Torts would play younger players "who didn't pay their dues" over him (talk about Dino 'tude).

That doesn't make him a great HC, but it makes him a good fit for a team that lacks elite talent but has a lot of young players who should cycle through the next two years or so and need to be developed and evaluated. Isn't the biggest complaint around here that AV played veterans over kids?

I'd prefer a young HC who could grow with the team, but Trots is 64, it'll be interesting to see who he brings in as his assistants, and who ends up coaching LHV. You'd think this would be a good opportunity to groom a young HC candidate internally.

You know better than to use average age, you can rotate through a lot of young scrubs (we did the last few years) and lower your average age with fungible players.
What matters are the ages of your key players, your top 6-9 forwards and top 4 D-men. Because it's easier to replace a 4th line veteran than a 2nd line scoring winger.

It would be extremely dishonest of me to say that bottom 6 roster churn being young players doesn't matter after how much complaining I've done over the years about the Flyers not doing that. So while you don't agree, I would hope you can see that I'm also being consistent on it.

For the record, I'm not evangelizing for average age creating strict hierarchies. The differences in most cases are minor even moving 5 or 10 spots up/down the list. But it does give you a reasonable facsimile of who the outliers are and are not.