Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Hollywood Cannon]

Taryn probably wants Tortorella because that's the company line and it's who they desperately want most of all.

Of course. I've known it was very likely going to be Torts from the beginning and this "city" will eat it up. Just wait for that first time he yells at a ref. Oh boy. He'll have the Authentic's doing unspeakable things to themselves.

 

[snoop88]

Torts will be perfect for a nice mediocre 3 year tenure that results in two years missing the playoffs and one year being a “tough out” 1st round exit.

 

[Psuhockey]

Of course. I've known it was very likely going to be Torts from the beginning and this "city" will eat it up. Just wait for that first time he yells at a ref. Oh boy. He'll have the Authentic's doing unspeakable things to themselves.

I can see that absolutely being the thought process of bringing him in but I don’t think the fans are coming back for a coach. That’s where these buffoons don’t get it and never will. You have to have players to sell and the Flyers don’t have any and will likely keep picking the wrong ones to try to sell. Maybe I am giving the fans more credit then they deserve but I don’t see Torts moving the needle at all.

 

[deadhead]

Torts will get them to play a more disciplined, consistent game.
Then he'll wear off and they'll stop listening after a couple years.
But this applies to a lot of veteran HCs.

 

[SuchySays]

The more that I think about it - Torts could turn this shithole around.

 

[Rebels57]

My thirty seconds of sports talk radio yielded Mike Sielski being asked the question of “why has John Tortorella not been named the coach of the Flyers yet?”

This fanbase gets what it deserves.

The more that I think about it - Torts could turn this shithole around.

 

[Cody Webster]

I mean, let's be honest, it doesn't matter who the coach is, this team sucks

 

[Rebels57]

I mean, let's be honest, it doesn't matter who the coach is, this team sucks

I'd still at least feel better if they didn't go Vigneault 2.0 with Torts and instead bring in fresh blood like Montgomery that could potentially start to build the foundation of a winning program. With Torts we know wih 100% certainty that only failure awaits. Gimme the unknown rather than the known failure every time.

 

[deadhead]

Torts could turn it around, this team has talent if Ellis, Couts and Hayes are healthy.

For the first time in a long time, unless they have another ridiculous string of injuries (3 centers out, top D-man, etc) they should be able to field 4 competent lines and 3 competent defensive pairs. And have legitimate prospects in LHV behind them.

Problem is it will be a young team that will require patience, does Torts have the ability to nurture young players through the inevitable ups and downs? Or like AV, will he push Fletcher to add "reliable veterans" and bench the kids?

Which is why they should hire a HC with recent success in the AHL producing NHL players, someone who can turn some of those young players into solid starters and build a base for long-term competitiveness - even if it means missing the playoffs for a couple seasons.

But that ain't gonna happen unless Scott blocks calls from Holmgren and Clarke.

 

[Embiid]

Torts is like moving a deck "bench" on the Titanic...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts could turn it around, this team has talent if Ellis, Couts and Hayes are healthy.

For the first time in a long time, unless they have another ridiculous string of injuries (3 centers out, top D-man, etc) they should be able to field 4 competent lines and 3 competent defensive pairs. And have legitimate prospects in LHV behind them.

Problem is it will be a young team that will require patience, does Torts have the ability to nurture young players through the inevitable ups and downs? Or like AV, will he push Fletcher to add "reliable veterans" and bench the kids?

Which is why they should hire a HC with recent success in the AHL producing NHL players, someone who can turn some of those young players into solid starters and build a base for long-term competitiveness - even if it means missing the playoffs for a couple seasons.

But that ain't gonna happen unless Scott blocks calls from Holmgren and Clarke.

Homer and Clarke are not going over Fletcher to Scott. Scott is not ordering Fletcher around and micromanaging.

Homer and Clarke have exactly as much influence as Fletcher gives them

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The more that I think about it - Torts could turn this shithole around.

sadly theres no getting around the epic shit roster..

 

[Ghosts Beer]

@deadhead

Looks like you may be right about Boston going with a rebuild.

I didn't think they'd do it, but with the injuries and/or ages of many of their best players, it seems they want to completely change directions.

Apparently they canned Cassidy largely because they want a different style coach and voice for their young players. A softer touch.

Hence, it seems Jay Leach, David Quinn, and Nate Leaman are probably the 3 leading candidates. And if they think Cassidy was too demanding and strict of young players, they aren't going to be hiring Tortorella.

 

[Rebels57]

Homer and Clarke are not going over Fletcher to Scott. Scott is not ordering Fletcher around and micromanaging.

Homer and Clarke have exactly as much influence as Fletcher gives them

Bruh how many times are you going to tell them before giving up?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Bruh how many times are you going to tell them before giving up?

Well I don't get tired of being right

Edit: that's a lie, I'm exhausted about being right about Fletcher and the Cronies.

 

[deadhead]

Bruh how many times are you going to tell them before giving up?

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Holmgren and Clarke had Scott's ear before Fletcher was hired, Holmgren fired Hextall and was the VP when he hired Fletcher.
So you think Holmgren and Clarke no longer have access to Scott and must go through Fletcher?
They would tolerate control from Fletcher they wouldn't accept from Hextall?

Say, I got a bridge I can sell you, given gas prices, I'll provide a 20% discount . . .

 

[Curufinwe]

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Then why do you keep doing it?

Hextall had total freedom to make whatever moves he thought would make the team better. So does Fletcher. Imagine being so dumb that you think it's Homer and Clarke getting in all the guys with Minnysoda connections.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Holmgren and Clarke had Scott's ear before Fletcher was hired, Holmgren fired Hextall and was the VP when he hired Fletcher.
So you think Holmgren and Clarke no longer have access to Scott and must go through Fletcher?
They would tolerate control from Fletcher they wouldn't accept from Hextall?

Say, I got a bridge I can sell you, given gas prices, I'll provide a 20% discount . . .

If Homer and Clarke are actually in charge (despite having zero authority) then they'd be completely discredited by now.

Fletcher gives them power and influence.

 

[Embiid]

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Holmgren and Clarke had Scott's ear before Fletcher was hired, Holmgren fired Hextall and was the VP when he hired Fletcher.
So you think Holmgren and Clarke no longer have access to Scott and must go through Fletcher?
They would tolerate control from Fletcher they wouldn't accept from Hextall?

Say, I got a bridge I can sell you, given gas prices, I'll provide a 20% discount . . .

I personally don't think the Flyers have any sense of chain of command.....it's just a den of incompetent consultants. All they ever say is that they bounce ideas off each other. It sounds very democratic and collaborative but it is really just an echo chamber of cronies and sycophants. This is why the team is listless with no direction. The fans will continue to suffer...

 

[Embiid]

If Homer and Clarke are actually in charge (despite having zero authority) then they'd be completely discredited by now.

Fletcher gives them power and influence.

Fletcher is an enabler and stool pigeon ....

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Flyers management probably thinks that bringing in a known name with convince the fanbase and STH that Torts is the answer. If you believe that you are a sucker.

 

[Embiid]

So the old guard didn't like Hextall being a control freak GM....so now they may revert to a controlling coach. But what doesn't change is Clarke and Holmgren nor the clueless ownership personified by Knave Scott.....

Flyers management probably thinks that bringing in a known name with convince the fanbase and STH that Torts is the answer. If you believe that you are a sucker.

The Flyers have become the epitome of a hollow corporate entity that looks for dead cat bounces but has no sustainable plan for future growth and success...

 

[deadhead]

Then why do you keep doing it?

Hextall had total freedom to make whatever moves he thought would make the team better. So does Fletcher. Imagine being so dumb that you think it's Homer and Clarke getting in all the guys with Minnysoda connections.

Hextall had it initially ONLY because Snider finally agreed to a rebuild.

Now whether Hextall bought into the "we'll be competitive while rebuilding" or that was the price of getting Snider to sign off is a question I haven't seen addressed. But Hextall didn't take a scorched earth approach, and ended up overpaying JVR in the summer of 2018 - which made no sense after trading Schenn in the summer of 2017 (except as a signal that FO patience with the rebuild had been exhausted and communicated to Hextall).

Fletcher was hired with a "bias for action" and an understanding that decisions would be consensus, that the advisors would be consulted and kept in the loop and their opinions respected - Holmgren certainly didn't hire him to cut out Holmgren!

Which is why firing Fletcher will change nothing, they'll just hire another "Fletcher," and keep pretending they're one or two moves from making the playoffs and going deep.

And that's why I don't get excited by Fletcher, b/c the same moves will be made by a new GM.
Until Holgmren and Clarke are put out to pasture, Scott rejects the "Flyers way," and commits to a rebuild,
"

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose​

 

[deadhead]

I personally don't think the Flyers have any sense of chain of command.....it's just a den of incompetent consultants. All they ever say is that they bounce ideas off each other. It sounds very democratic and collaborative but it is really just an echo chamber of cronies and sycophants. This is why the team is listless with no direction. The fans will continue to suffer...

They have a direction, unfortunately it's "the road to Hell."

1) The FLyers' Way: a physical team that plays old fashioned 20th century hockey
2) We don't rebuild, that's for "loser" franchises, we just open the checkbook (not our money)
3) The Future Is Now (because like Snider, we're close to the end)
4) What the F--- are "analytics?" Real men don't eat quiche or trust numbers, go with the eyeballs and the cliches

 

[Rebels57]

I personally don't think the Flyers have any sense of chain of command.....it's just a den of incompetent consultants. All they ever say is that they bounce ideas off each other. It sounds very democratic and collaborative but it is really just an echo chamber of cronies and sycophants. This is why the team is listless with no direction. The fans will continue to suffer...

Scott dropped a hint into this at that ill-fated late season press conference when he said he "likes how the management team works here, it's collaborative."

Imagine being a fly on the wall of a room with great thinkers like Fletcher, Flahrsy, Clarke, Holmgren, Barber (who needs to be mentioned more) and Scott.

How many combined years of GM experience do Clarke, Homer, and Fletcher have without winning a Cup? 40?