Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[TheKingPin]

I don’t think they’ll necessarily suck with Torts. They’ll get “results.” They’ll play a non-event boring ass style of hockey to try and scrape by wins.

That’s my biggest nightmare.

All I want is to be entertained by my sports teams. I don’t want it to be a chore.

Depends on the roster too, but yea could likely be a 5-7 team if they are healthy. 1-2 round exits.

 

[renberg]

I think it’s more so that Barry Trotz is holding up the market right now.

Trotz is a decent coach. There’s an aura around him that is bigger than his results. Sure he won a SC but for many years his teams were an easy out and played boring defensive hockey. LL canned him this year for not bring along the younger players. I can live without him.
Currently living in Ohio I have watched his work with the Blue Jackets. He did put in a style of play that suited his players. He was demanding but he got results that exceeded the club‘s talents. By and large he did a good job bringing along younger players(Laine excepted but he’s been a jerk in other places as well). I’d rather have Cassidy but if Torts got the job, I wouldn’t be crushed. Actually watching him deal with Hayes, Ristolainen and a couple of other players on the roster might be worth the price of admission.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

You have Detroit ready to come out of their rebuild with high end pieces. You have Dallas with one of the better prospect/young talent pools, coming off a playoff run. Vegas will be right in the thick of it next season. Even Winnipeg is a playoff team. Florida canning Brunette might open up the most coveted job.

The Flyers have absolutely nothing to offer over those teams. That’s why they’ll target a high profile retread like Torts, who other teams don’t seem particularly eager to hire. It’s not a desirable job. Cassidy and Trotz — whatever you make of them — will simply have way better teams after them.

The last paragraph is one thousand percent correct. I think Trotz goes to Boston. Cassidy will go to Vegas and the Flyers will get some 2 time loser shmuck

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The roster keeps it limited. The range of outcomes is the likely floor another bottom 5 finish, the likely middle a bottom 12 or so finish, & the likely ceiling is sneaking into the playoffs. I think that’s reality regardless of HC. So there’s some legitimate challenges that even the best would have to endure.

I could see Torts dragging this team back to essentially purgatory but given the roster construction it could also be another Vancouver like flame out too.

 

[Adam Warlock]

These are professional sports teams. They all have deep pockets to varying degrees. Coaches aren’t making that much money in hockey. The Panthers are one of the least profitable teams in the league and won the Quenneville lottery. Coaches want to coach good teams. And let’s not act like Vegas, Dallas, south Florida, Detroit suburbs are not fantastic places to live.

This idea the Flyers have some magic spending ability in this day and age is partly fiction. Their revenues aren’t pretty lately, probably will get worse, and they don’t have a desirable team on-ice. This is a marked shift from previous decades. Signing Vigneault for $25 million isn’t a magic offer — it’s a stupid one. And things have changed drastically since. So, yes they are capable of wooing the best of the mediocre with a large offer. But they can’t force the best of the best to come here.

Flyers are dumb enough to offer stupid money to coaches was my point lol. If they offer Trotz a ridiculous 7 mil a year when others only offer 5-6... he would probably consider. Giving AV that contract was probably how they got him to come to a bad team.

At the end of the day... we dont know what these people want. Is it money? Location? The best team? Front office oppurtunities? Everyones different and has their own priorities

 

[Cody Webster]

They don't need to burn everything down, the Rangers didn't. They moved out a bunch of guys, then moved in a bunch of younger guys:

Gorton actually presided over the rebuild:
6/23/17 Stepan and Raanta for DeAngelo and Zona's 1st (unprotected), became Andersson
2/25/18 Nash for Spooner, Lindgren, 2018 1st
2/26/18 McDonagh & Miller for Namestnikov (traded for Ebert & 4th), Howden, Hajek, 2018 1st, 2019 2nd
11/16/18 Spooner for Strome
2/23/19 Zuccarello for 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd
2/25/19 Hayes for 2019 1st
4/3019 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd for Fox [that wasn't brilliance, that was Fox forcing his way to NYC]
6/17/19 2019 1st, Pionk for Trouba (then gave him 8x8)
2/24/20 Skjei for 2020 1st
9/26/20 Staal & 2nd for cap relief
10/7/20 Andersson for 2020 2nd
Drury
7/17/21 7th rd for Goodrow (took his salary off TB's hands)
7/23/21 Buchnevich for 2022 2nd
3/16/22 2022 4th for Vatrano - best TDL move
3/21/22 2023 4th for Motte
3/21/22 2022 1st for Copp
3/21/22 2023 3rd for Braun

Key was drafting Shesterkin in 2014,
As far as all those draft picks they traded for?
2017: Andersson #7, Chytil #21
2018: Kravtsov #9, Miller #22, Lundqvist #28
2019: Kakko #2
2020: Lafreniere #1, Schneider #19
No one after the 1st rd has emerged so far.

Notice they didn't trade that well, the TB trade was highway robbery, Trouba was basically obtained for Pionk and Skjei. They gave away Buchnevich to St Louis.
The key deal was getting Lindgren and Spooner for Nash, then flipping Spooner for Strome.

Point is you don't have to conduct a rebuild with total brilliance, just commitment. And a hot young goalie.

Could you imagine this board if the Flyers were in the Rangers position though....

 

[sigma six]

Plus, you guys are underestimating the allure of a proper challenge!
I bet Cassidy and Montgomery are already imagining how they'll sculpt this Flyers team into a winner, given the chance.

You guys want some of these brownies?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yeo might be jumping ship.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Trotz is a decent coach. There’s an aura around him that is bigger than his results. Sure he won a SC but for many years his teams were an easy out and played boring defensive hockey. LL canned him this year for not bring along the younger players. I can live without him.
Currently living in Ohio I have watched his work with the Blue Jackets. He did put in a style of play that suited his players. He was demanding but he got results that exceeded the club‘s talents. By and large he did a good job bringing along younger players(Laine excepted but he’s been a jerk in other places as well). I’d rather have Cassidy but if Torts got the job, I wouldn’t be crushed. Actually watching him deal with Hayes, Ristolainen and a couple of other players on the roster might be worth the price of admission.

Trotz is a very good coach, but I agree the aura around him at the moment is a bit overdone. He’s in the same tier as Cassidy & Torts. Cooper is probably the only coach in a tier of his own at the top.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yeo leaving his buddy Chuck for greener pastures.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yeo might be jumping ship.

for the love of god, plz do..

save Fletch from hiring u back as HC.

 

[Cody Webster]

Wrong thread

 

[Magua]

Flyers are dumb enough to offer stupid money to coaches was my point lol. If they offer Trotz a ridiculous 7 mil a year when others only offer 5-6... he would probably consider. Giving AV that contract was probably how they got him to come to a bad team.

The Flyers were the 6th most valuable NHL franchise in 2021, and frankly, that's going down. The writing is on the wall with STHs and attendance and TV ratings. These coaches have legacies they want to cement; it doesn't take a genius to see the Flyers are not trending in the right direction.

I just don't think the high end coaches can be swayed by this mythical blank check. Hell, teams like the Hawks and Bruins are worth more than the Flyers. What makes the Flyers unique in the year of our lord 2022? They're still paying Vigneault $10 million. Again, Dave Scott was publicly peeing down his leg in anticipation of Quenneville -- you don't think the Flyers didn't match or best the Panthers offer? The Panthers are worth half the Flyers as a franchise, and they weren't even in great shape either then.

 

[deadhead]

It’s unfortunate we have had chuck f***ing things up for years here instead of building so we could have the youth, prime, and prospect players and then have our pick of a great coach this off-season to cap it off and take off. Instead it’s going to be Torts, the guy who doesn’t like McDavid.

You mean Holmgren. You think signing JVR was Hextall's first choice in the summer of 2018? You think Hextall had a "bias for action."
Holmgren and Clarke were fired the last time the Flyers rebuilt, and they ended the half-ass rebuild this time around.

So much depends on the direction from the top, Gorton trades 4 1st rd picks when they were trying to get over the hump in NY, once they conceded the run was over he traded for 4 1st rd picks. Same GM, different team focus.

The Flyers were the 6th most valuable NHL franchise in 2021, and frankly, that's going down. The writing is on the wall with STHs and attendance and TV ratings. These coaches have legacies they want to cement; it doesn't take a genius to see the Flyers are not trending in the right direction.

I just don't think the high end coaches can be swayed by this mythical blank check. Hell, teams like the Hawks and Bruins are worth more than the Flyers. What makes the Flyers unique in the year of our lord 2022? They're still paying Vigneault $10 million. Again, Dave Scott was publicly peeing down his leg in anticipation of Quenneville -- you don't think the Flyers didn't match or best the Panthers offer? The Panthers are worth half the Flyers as a franchise, and they weren't even in great shape either then.

Q wanted to go to Florida, Flyers beat their offer, but location, location, location.

 

[TheKingPin]

You mean Holmgren. You think signing JVR was Hextall's first choice in the summer of 2018? You think Hextall had a "bias for action."
Holmgren and Clarke were fired the last time the Flyers rebuilt, and they ended the half-ass rebuild this time around.

So much depends on the direction from the top, Gorton trades 4 1st rd picks when they were trying to get over the hump in NY, once they conceded the run was over he traded for 4 1st rd picks. Same GM, different team focus.


Q wanted to go to Florida, Flyers beat their offer, but location, location, location.

Again, you can’t really model anything off of the rangers. Players wants go there for the city. The Flyers tried to get Panarin and lost. Q and lost. I myself left Philly for warmer weather and could not be happier.

Why would anyone want to come to Philly?

Have to work for a corporation and listen to Homer and Clarke.
Not great weather.
Average to bad team.
Not a great prospect pool.
No superstars here or coming.
Maybe Couts is their only star.

 

[1865]

I don't know if i'm excited or anxious to see the abysmal decision Chuck is going to make here.

 

[dragonoffrost]

for the love of god, plz do..

save Fletch from hiring u back as HC.

I thought Fletcher already said Yeo would not be head coach.

 

[ponder719]

The Flyers have absolutely nothing to offer over those teams.

While I agree we're not by a long stretch the most desirable job, a HC who wants to have NFL levels of input into roster decisions might see Pushover Chuck as the perfect GM to work with, because he can absolutely be bullied into making decisions others want to see. So much the better if it's someone who has a positive relationship with Clarmgren, since they'll be more hands off if the decisions are being pushed by one of their boys.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Again, you can’t really model anything off of the rangers. Players wants go there for the city. The Flyers tried to get Panarin and lost. Q and lost. I myself left Philly for warmer weather and could not be happier.

Why would anyone want to come to Philly?

Have to work for a corporation and listen to Homer and Clarke.
Not great weather.
Average to bad team.
Not a great prospect pool.
No superstars here or coming.
Maybe Couts is their only star.

This is the thing. What redeeming quality is there with this organization besides the fact of what amounts to bribery?

And the truth is that when a second high cost coach flames out, fletcher is in the crosshairs. Because Bobby and Paul won’t be responsible.

 

[dats81]

Bruce Cassidy has become available.

 

[snoop88]

Torts is exactly the kind of hire this organization would make. Coached in a SCF already which they love. “Fiery” name coach.

There isn’t a chance in hell Trotz or Cassidy would be serious about coming here. There are so many better options.

 

[BillDineen]

The Flyers were the 6th most valuable NHL franchise in 2021, and frankly, that's going down. The writing is on the wall with STHs and attendance and TV ratings. These coaches have legacies they want to cement; it doesn't take a genius to see the Flyers are not trending in the right direction.

I just don't think the high end coaches can be swayed by this mythical blank check. Hell, teams like the Hawks and Bruins are worth more than the Flyers. What makes the Flyers unique in the year of our lord 2022? They're still paying Vigneault $10 million. Again, Dave Scott was publicly peeing down his leg in anticipation of Quenneville -- you don't think the Flyers didn't match or best the Panthers offer? The Panthers are worth half the Flyers as a franchise, and they weren't even in great shape either then.

Issue is sports franchise are viewed as a good long term currency devaluation hedge and that is why their values keep increasing. The franchise is being managed by nitwits currently, but they will eventually be replaced before Comcast sells unless they can get a premium over what they think its longterm value is.

 

[Larry44]

Whoever they land will be basic as f***, because Cuck is a terrible GM, Clarke needs to f*** off they need to burn everything down and start all over BUT they won’t ever do that

Clarke to Fletcher: "There's still lots of friggin' Italians in Philly, and we need fans, badly. Cripes, even that idiot Scott is whining about revenues. Ellis' GD injury caused attendance to go down, and even Gritty can't draw them in. So it's down to Tortorella or Tocchett, that's it. Pick one."

Chuckles the Sad Clown to Clarkie: "OK, Bob, I was thinking of Jim Montgomery (Homer likes to give recovering alkies a chance so he has company at AA meetings) or Bruce Cassidy a call, but if you say so, it's a done deal. I'll give the job to one of them, make the other an Advisor on Italian Affairs, and keep Torchetti around as an assistant. And if I haven't said it the obligatory 5 times today, thanks for the job, sir."

 

[Rebels57]

You have Detroit ready to come out of their rebuild with high end pieces. You have Dallas with one of the better prospect/young talent pools, coming off a playoff run. Vegas will be right in the thick of it next season. Even Winnipeg is a playoff team. Florida canning Brunette might open up the most coveted job.

The Flyers have absolutely nothing to offer over those teams. That’s why they’ll target a high profile retread like Torts, who other teams don’t seem particularly eager to hire. It’s not a desirable job. Cassidy and Trotz — whatever you make of them — will simply have way better teams after them.

Yep and this is why I think Montgomery or Vellucci are the best we can hope for with either Fonzie or Tocchet being the most likely still.

Honestly i'd start to question Trotz and Cassidy's mental faculties if they chose the Flyers over the other options.

 

[Curufinwe]

You follow the team for free, but question someone who would get paid $5m+ to coach it?