Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[PhillyWings]

Chuck is already asleep for the night. Maybe he’ll do something tomorrow.

Hello Bruce Cassidy this is Chuck Fletcher......Click

 

[Larry44]

Wouldn't it be great if chuckles had signed torts today just ahead of cassidy being available? How much incompetence does Comcast have to witness?

Torts is a f*cking @sshole, we don’t need another AV level vainglorious jack@ss as coach.

 

[swami24]

I wish I could have liked that last post 1000 times

 

[Magua]

You have Detroit ready to come out of their rebuild with high end pieces. You have Dallas with one of the better prospect/young talent pools, coming off a playoff run. Vegas will be right in the thick of it next season. Even Winnipeg is a playoff team. Florida canning Brunette might open up the most coveted job.

The Flyers have absolutely nothing to offer over those teams. That’s why they’ll target a high profile retread like Torts, who other teams don’t seem particularly eager to hire. It’s not a desirable job. Cassidy and Trotz — whatever you make of them — will simply have way better teams after them.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

You have Detroit ready to come out of their rebuild with high end pieces. You have Dallas with one of the better prospect/young talent pools, coming off a playoff run. Vegas will be right in the thick of it next season. Even Winnipeg is a playoff team. Florida canning Brunette might open up the most coveted job.

The Flyers have absolutely nothing to offer over those teams. That’s why they’ll target a high profile retread like Torts, who other teams don’t seem particularly eager to hire. It’s not a desirable job. Cassidy and Trotz — whatever you make of them — will simply have way better teams after them.

Friedman said on his podcast today that Winnipeg & Chicago have Montgomery on their short list too.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

We really aren’t going to have the pick of the litter. Can anyone really enumerate what is desirable about this team relative to any of the other openings?

 

[Adam Warlock]

You have Detroit ready to come out of their rebuild with high end pieces. You have Dallas with one of the better prospect/young talent pools, coming off a playoff run. Vegas will be right in the thick of it next season. Even Winnipeg is a playoff team. Florida canning Brunette might open up the most coveted job.

The Flyers have absolutely nothing to offer over those teams. That’s why they’ll target a high profile retread like Torts, who other teams don’t seem particularly eager to hire. It’s not a desirable job. Cassidy and Trotz — whatever you make of them — will simply have way better teams after them.

The Flyers have deep pockets and philly has great suburbs to live in. They can make an appealing offer to any of these coaches.

If they go with Torts, dont let the organization off the hook by saying its bc hes the best they could get. We all know Torts is Clarke and Co's first choice. If Chuck signs him, its bc everyone is letting Clarke call the shots which is far worse.

Bottom line is there are some good coaches out there and they can get one pretty easily...but they wont bc they prefer Torts.

 

[Magua]

The Flyers best chance is to find an up and comer and give that person an offer before other teams. Chasing names, that likely prefer other places, is how you get left with scraps like Tortorella. But the Flyers and Chuck Fletcher always take the perma-mediocre path of least resistance. They have a box inside their box — can never be too careful.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Torts is a f*cking @sshole, we don’t need another AV level vainglorious jack@ss as coach.

Torts is a jerk to the media, who fully deserve it. It’s also a tactic to divert attention from his team.

He’s by pretty much all accounts a great guy aside from his media persona.

 

[04hockey]

Cassidy had a helluva record last year.....what does Boston know about him that everybody else doesn't ?

51 wins 26 losses

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Cassidy had a helluva record last year.....what does Boston know about him that everybody else doesn't ?

51 wins 26 losses

Management trying to buy more time.

 

[Magua]

The Flyers have deep pockets and philly has great suburbs to live in. They can make an appealing offer to any of these coaches.

These are professional sports teams. They all have deep pockets to varying degrees. Coaches aren’t making that much money in hockey. The Panthers are one of the least profitable teams in the league and won the Quenneville lottery. Coaches want to coach good teams. And let’s not act like Vegas, Dallas, south Florida, Detroit suburbs are not fantastic places to live.

This idea the Flyers have some magic spending ability in this day and age is partly fiction. Their revenues aren’t pretty lately, probably will get worse, and they don’t have a desirable team on-ice. This is a marked shift from previous decades. Signing Vigneault for $25 million isn’t a magic offer — it’s a stupid one. And things have changed drastically since. So, yes they are capable of wooing the best of the mediocre with a large offer. But they can’t force the best of the best to come here.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Chuck is already asleep for the night. Maybe he’ll do something tomorrow.

Zing....

 

[666Domino]

Whoever they land will be basic as f***, because Cuck is a terrible GM, Clarke needs to f*** off they need to burn everything down and start all over BUT they won’t ever do that

 

[deadhead]

They're not going to get Cassidy, but he'll push someone they should hire down to them.

But the advisors want Torts b/c they think they can "aggressively reload" and make the playoffs.
So they're gonna push for a "win now" name Dino.

You don't think Fletcher gets to decide who they hire, do you?

Our only hope might be to hire a HC smart enough to know he can't win with the current team, who'll support Fletcher in making moves to add some more youth and talent instead of veteran patches. But that would require selling Scott on a 2-3 year reload.

 

[TheKingPin]

It’s unfortunate we have had chuck f***ing things up for years here instead of building so we could have the youth, prime, and prospect players and then have our pick of a great coach this off-season to cap it off and take off. Instead it’s going to be Torts, the guy who doesn’t like McDavid.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It’s unfortunate we have had chuck f***ing things up for years here instead of building so we could have the youth, prime, and prospect players and then have our pick of a great coach this off-season to cap it off and take off. Instead it’s going to be Torts, the guy who doesn’t like McDavid.

Doesn’t like McDavid and thinks that players like Zegras should be punished for using skill.

Match made in heaven really with this organization.

 

[TheKingPin]

Doesn’t like McDavid and thinks that players like Zegras should be punished for using skill.

Match made in heaven really with this organization.

It seems like too good a fit. Honestly, it’s the fastest path to get things better. Two years + or Torts sucking. Fletcher likely gets fired along the way. Maybe Homer and Clarke get pushed out too. Vs a good coach which could prolong things much longer.

Is Hayes buds with Cassidy?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It seems like too good a fit. Honestly, it’s the fastest path to get things better. Two years + or Torts sucking. Fletcher likely gets fired along the way. Maybe Homer and Clarke get pushed out too. Vs a good coach which could prolong things much longer.

Is Hayes buds with Cassidy?

I don’t think they’ll necessarily suck with Torts. They’ll get “results.” They’ll play a non-event boring ass style of hockey to try and scrape by wins.

That’s my biggest nightmare.

All I want is to be entertained by my sports teams. I don’t want it to be a chore.

 

[renberg]

Cassidy had a helluva record last year.....what does Boston know about him that everybody else doesn't ?

51 wins 26 losses

Sweeney and Neely trying put the stink of their failures on someone else. The Bruins have the potential to be worse than the Flyers next season.

 

[deadhead]

They don't need to burn everything down, the Rangers didn't. They moved out a bunch of guys, then moved in a bunch of younger guys:

Gorton actually presided over the rebuild:
6/23/17 Stepan and Raanta for DeAngelo and Zona's 1st (unprotected), became Andersson
2/25/18 Nash for Spooner, Lindgren, 2018 1st
2/26/18 McDonagh & Miller for Namestnikov (traded for Ebert & 4th), Howden, Hajek, 2018 1st, 2019 2nd
11/16/18 Spooner for Strome
2/23/19 Zuccarello for 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd
2/25/19 Hayes for 2019 1st
4/3019 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd for Fox [that wasn't brilliance, that was Fox forcing his way to NYC]
6/17/19 2019 1st, Pionk for Trouba (then gave him 8x8)
2/24/20 Skjei for 2020 1st
9/26/20 Staal & 2nd for cap relief
10/7/20 Andersson for 2020 2nd
Drury
7/17/21 7th rd for Goodrow (took his salary off TB's hands)
7/23/21 Buchnevich for 2022 2nd
3/16/22 2022 4th for Vatrano - best TDL move
3/21/22 2023 4th for Motte
3/21/22 2022 1st for Copp
3/21/22 2023 3rd for Braun

Key was drafting Shesterkin in 2014,
As far as all those draft picks they traded for?
2017: Andersson #7, Chytil #21
2018: Kravtsov #9, Miller #22, Lundqvist #28
2019: Kakko #2
2020: Lafreniere #1, Schneider #19
No one after the 1st rd has emerged so far.

Notice they didn't trade that well, the TB trade was highway robbery, Trouba was basically obtained for Pionk and Skjei. They gave away Buchnevich to St Louis.
The key deal was getting Lindgren and Spooner for Nash, then flipping Spooner for Strome.

Point is you don't have to conduct a rebuild with total brilliance, just commitment. And a hot young goalie.

 

[sigma six]

Maybe Cassidy potentially becoming available was their reason not to jump on those who were available at season's end.
Which is wise, not even our FO will do the stupid thing 100% of the time.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Maybe Cassidy potentially becoming available was their reason not to jump on those who were available at season's end.
Which is wise, not even our FO will do the stupid thing 100% of the time.

I think it’s more so that Barry Trotz is holding up the market right now.

 

[TheKingPin]

They don't need to burn everything down, the Rangers didn't. They moved out a bunch of guys, then moved in a bunch of younger guys:

Gorton actually presided over the rebuild:
6/23/17 Stepan and Raanta for DeAngelo and Zona's 1st (unprotected), became Andersson
2/25/18 Nash for Spooner, Lindgren, 2018 1st
2/26/18 McDonagh & Miller for Namestnikov (traded for Ebert & 4th), Howden, Hajek, 2018 1st, 2019 2nd
11/16/18 Spooner for Strome
2/23/19 Zuccarello for 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd
2/25/19 Hayes for 2019 1st
4/3019 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd for Fox [that wasn't brilliance, that was Fox forcing his way to NYC]
6/17/19 2019 1st, Pionk for Trouba (then gave him 8x8)
2/24/20 Skjei for 2020 1st
9/26/20 Staal & 2nd for cap relief
10/7/20 Andersson for 2020 2nd
Drury
7/17/21 7th rd for Goodrow (took his salary off TB's hands)
7/23/21 Buchnevich for 2022 2nd
3/16/22 2022 4th for Vatrano - best TDL move
3/21/22 2023 4th for Motte
3/21/22 2022 1st for Copp
3/21/22 2023 3rd for Braun

Key was drafting Shesterkin in 2014,
As far as all those draft picks they traded for?
2017: Andersson #7, Chytil #21
2018: Kravtsov #9, Miller #22, Lundqvist #28
2019: Kakko #2
2020: Lafreniere #1, Schneider #19
No one after the 1st rd has emerged so far.

Notice they didn't trade that well, the TB trade was highway robbery, Trouba was basically obtained for Pionk and Skjei. They gave away Buchnevich to St Louis.
The key deal was getting Lindgren and Spooner for Nash, then flipping Spooner for Strome.

Point is you don't have to conduct a rebuild with total brilliance, just commitment. And a hot young goalie.

The point you made is to be the NY Rangers and attract Fox and Panarin. Getting a good coach helped too, who was likely attracted to NYC. You need to burn it down.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They're not going to get Cassidy, but he'll push someone they should hire down to them.

But the advisors want Torts b/c they think they can "aggressively reload" and make the playoffs.
So they're gonna push for a "win now" name Dino.

You don't think Fletcher gets to decide who they hire, do you?

Our only hope might be to hire a HC smart enough to know he can't win with the current team, who'll support Fletcher in making moves to add some more youth and talent instead of veteran patches. But that would require selling Scott on a 2-3 year reload.

Fletcher is president, GM, and alternate governor. He is incredibly powerful and influential. The advisors do nothing but talk and suggest.

Whoever they hire is being hired because Fletcher wants to hire them. We are talking about a guy absolutely enamored with people like Yeo. He's not a braingenius.