Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Beef Invictus]

Fletcher doesn't set anything, that was obvious from the get go, which is one reason they fired Hextall.
Note the one time the Flyers rebuilt, Holgmren was fired as HC and Clarke let go as GM.

Fletcher is president, GM, and governor. Scott is uninvolved and has no clue what's going on. Fletcher sets the course. We know Clarke, the root of all evil and guy who brought him in, enthusiastically agrees with everything he does.

The problem is that he's way over his head. He was over his head in Minnesota, and we slopped even more power on him.

 

[volnoir]

Fletcher is president, GM, and governor. Scott is uninvolved and has no clue what's going on. Fletcher sets the course. We know Clarke, the root of all evil and guy who brought him in, enthusiastically agrees with everything he does.

The problem is that he's way over his head. He was over his head in Minnesota, and we slopped even more power on him.

What if Cliff is the one calling all the shots and not Chuck?

 

[TB87]

What if Cliff is the one calling all the shots and not Chuck?

Well, f*** him too than

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I wonder if they're doing a "Howie?"

Roseman liked to interview a lot of candidates, not just to find the one who was the best fit, but to pick their brains and get outside perspectives on his players.

Maybe a little, but I think it's probably more about hearing how different candidates would approach the situation, getting a feel for their different outlooks and personalities, and then deciding which one seems best.

 

[GKJ]

The other day Friedman mentioned that Clarke liked Torts. Holmgren and Lombardi also both link to him through the World Cup, not unlike how Holmgren knew of Lavy before through the Olympics.

Don't let the local media fool you into thinking that just because Fletcher is the GM, and he may have his hands on the wheel, but he is still a puppet. He's got backseat drivers. Fletcher is going to hire whoever the consortium wants.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The other day Friedman mentioned that Clarke liked Torts. Holmgren and Lombardi also both link to him through the World Cup, not unlike how Holmgren knew of Lavy before through the Olympics.

Don't let the local media fool you into thinking that just because Fletcher is the GM, and he may have his hands on the wheel, but he is still a puppet. He's got backseat drivers. Fletcher is going to hire whoever the consortium wants.

100%, the old boys are deciding whos coming in next. .

if the new coach wont bow down to the old boys, hes not getting hired..

in fact i bet its line 1 of the contract

 

[TheKingPin]

The other day Friedman mentioned that Clarke liked Torts. Holmgren and Lombardi also both link to him through the World Cup, not unlike how Holmgren knew of Lavy before through the Olympics.

Don't let the local media fool you into thinking that just because Fletcher is the GM, and he may have his hands on the wheel, but he is still a puppet. He's got backseat drivers. Fletcher is going to hire whoever the consortium wants.

Yea no question Fletcher was hired to stand in there and be a dummy. Get to the second round at best. They don’t give a shit.

 

[deadhead]

Fletcher talking about adding under 25 elite talent suggets to me that he sees the need to rebuild, but he's one of many voices, and doesn't have the deciding vote. And this split in the organization explains the divergence in HC candidates, they're still hashing out what their strategy is going to be.

Hextall was able to sell a rebuild to Snider, but with him gone, Holmgren was in control, and he hates rebuilding.

Not sure anyone is in control now, in the end it comes down to Scott, but he has too many cooks in his kitchen.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fletcher talking about adding under 25 elite talent suggets to me that he sees the need to rebuild, but he's one of many voices, and doesn't have the deciding vote. And this split in the organization explains the divergence in HC candidates, they're still hashing out what their strategy is going to be.

Hextall was able to sell a rebuild to Snider, but with him gone, Holmgren was in control, and he hates rebuilding.

Not sure anyone is in control now, in the end it comes down to Scott, but he has too many cooks in his kitchen.

Who is responsible for Holmgren?

 

[Magua]

Do you know what would happen if General Manager and President of Hockey Operations, Chuck Fletcher, put his foot down and said he really believes so-and-so coach is the right guy for the job? The old boy's club would acquiesce. Because Chuck Fletcher is the General Manager and President of Hockey Operations. I don't doubt they have input, but it's just input. This puppet idea is just farcical. The reality is Chuck Fletcher is a milquetoast, mediocre GM who aligns with the vision of the people who hired him. You'd think he shows up to work wearing a crown of thorns and carrying a cross.

56 years old (no spring chicken), never been a head coach in the NHL. Brought to the Hurricanes under known dud and awful evaluator, Ron Francis, left after he got canned. People always conflate assistants with head coaches, as if they don't have 3000 examples across sports that it's not worth much. Mike Sullivan was Torts' long-time assistant, and he couldn't have been less like him as a head coach, besides being a bit ornery.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Do you know what would happen if General Manager and President of Hockey Operations, Chuck Fletcher, put his foot down and said he really believes so-and-so coach is the right guy for the job? The old boy's club would acquiesce. Because Chuck Fletcher is the General Manager and President of Hockey Operations. I don't doubt they have input, but it's just input. This puppet idea is just farcical. The reality is Chuck Fletcher is a milquetoast, mediocre GM who aligns with the vision of the people who hired him. You'd think he shows up to work wearing a crown of thorns and carrying a cross.


56 years old (no spring chicken), never been a head coach in the NHL. Brought to the Hurricanes under known dud and awful evaluator, Ron Francis, left after he got canned. People always conflate assistants with head coaches, as if they don't have 3000 examples across sports that it's not worth much. Mike Sullivan was Torts' long-time assistant, and he couldn't have been less like him as a head coach, besides being a bit ornery.

He has almost a decade long record of disappointment prior to getting to Philly. That he's valuing wrong things, losing value, and doing a disappointing job here isn't new. It isnt like he was successful with the Wild and the Cronies here are handcuffing him. This is what he's always been.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Well, hopefully Montgomery gets a real good look.

 

[wankstifier]

They're going to get a real piece of shit

 

[BlackandOrange]

Here’s an absolutely wild coach suggestion that I haven’t seen anyone suggest yet. Smooth and silky Sergei Zubov.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Here’s an absolutely wild coach suggestion that I haven’t seen anyone suggest yet. Smooth and silky Sergei Zubov.

He’s the utter antithesis of what the flyers would want. That’s without even examining the merits of his coaching credentials.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Former Flyers Star Claude Giroux to Ottawa? It Makes Sens(e)

Claude Giroux is happy in Florida, and if the Panthers can somehow find enough cap space, the former Philadelphia Flyers star would not mind returning to the Sunshine State. The 34-year-old Giroux played well for Florida since being acquired from the Flyers in March. He had 23 points in 18...

phillyhockeynow.com

Ignore the title of the article. From Sam, so click at your own risk. Also, this is all it says. Nothing else.

Coaching search

Now that St. Louis has fallen out of the Stanley Cup playoffs, Blues assistant Jim Montgomery is expected to be interviewed for the Flyers’ head-coaching job next week.

 

[flyersnorth]

Former Flyers Star Claude Giroux to Ottawa? It Makes Sens(e)

Claude Giroux is happy in Florida, and if the Panthers can somehow find enough cap space, the former Philadelphia Flyers star would not mind returning to the Sunshine State. The 34-year-old Giroux played well for Florida since being acquired from the Flyers in March. He had 23 points in 18...

phillyhockeynow.com

Ignore the title of the article. From Sam, so click at your own risk. Also, this is all it says. Nothing else.

Carchidi’s obsession with NAK and G, with his clickbait titles that lead to articles with no substantive value, feels eerily like a man doomscrolling his ex gf’s IG feed because he just can’t let shit go and move on.

 

[renberg]

Am I wrong to think that we'll know fairly quickly if Montgomery is the guy. Probably interviewed by Tuesday and either offered the job or not? If nothing is done by Thursday, they're moving on.

 

[daynus]

I think Montgomery will be our choice.
We are in a weird overall team set up. Some decent wings in our prospect pool, an obvious need for centres though. With a so-so roster, I think the quickest was to fix our team is go with a Minnesota style, defence first. And try to grind our, 3-2 types of games. I wouldn’t be shocked if our first pick end up being Jiricek, unless Cooley is available.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Get him hired ASAP.

 

[deadhead]

I think Montgomery will be our choice.
We are in a weird overall team set up. Some decent wings in our prospect pool, an obvious need for centres though. With a so-so roster, I think the quickest was to fix our team is go with a Minnesota style, defence first. And try to grind our, 3-2 types of games. I wouldn’t be shocked if our first pick end up being Jiricek, unless Cooley is available.

It'll probably be Nemec or Jiricek, and they'll be starting in 2023-24.

 

[flyersnorth]

Listened to the Snow the Goalie podcast while out gardening and doing yard work yesterday.

It was interesting to hear ASF talk about different options and posturing behind the scenes, and Bundy thinks the Flyers will end up with Montgomery.

But the discussion was also a stark reminder of how far off we are. It's taken a lot of years, a lot of trial and error, a lot of failure for the top teams to be where they are now. Florida might be where TB was 4-5 years ago. They think the Canes are a good competitive team, but ultimately frauds. The Rangers have a few solid top end picks. The Flyers whiffed on Patrick and I think it was either Bundy or both Bundy and ASF that said that was a huge miss - they couldn't afford to get that one wrong (outcome, not necessarily player), but they did, and it is a huge setback.

The Flyers have the failure part down, but it still feels like a long road ahead.

At least my flower beds look great.

 

[TheKingPin]

Two things there.

1. The rangers are god because two players wanted to go there. They got Fox and Panarin for relatively little, top line and top pair guys. The top recent draft picks haven’t done too much yet.

2. Why does a team that moves up in a draft I think more than any pro team has ever done before in a draft lottery NEED to hit there? Given the long rebuild that has taken place, that should have been a difference of dynasty and contender. Not 4th from the bottom vs 15th from the bottom.

 

[flyersnorth]

Two things there.

1. The rangers are god because two players wanted to go there. They got Fox and Panarin for relatively little, top line and top pair guys. The top recent draft picks haven’t done too much yet.

2. Why does a team that moves up in a draft I think more than any pro team has ever done before in a draft lottery NEED to hit there? Given the long rebuild that has taken place, that should have been a difference of dynasty and contender. Not 4th from the bottom vs 15th from the bottom.

1. Absolutely. It helps being an attractive destination for top free agents. Add the #1 and #2 OA picks to that mix, and you have the makings of a pretty solid core to build on.

2. Are you talking NYR here or the Flyers? Or someone else?

If the Flyers, they needed to hit because they don't get the opportunity to draft in the top 5 very often. And we've seen their list of historical top 10 picks. It's.... underwhelming to say the least.

This was an high-end opportunity to get a player that would replace G as the core building block for the next decade, but it clearly didn't work out that way. Fortunately, we have another top 5 pick this year.

 

[TheKingPin]

1. Absolutely. It helps being an attractive destination for top free agents. Add the #1 and #2 OA picks to that mix, and you have the makings of a pretty solid core to build on.

2. Are you talking NYR here or the Flyers? Or someone else?

If the Flyers, they needed to hit because they don't get the opportunity to draft in the top 5 very often. And we've seen their list of historical top 10 picks. It's.... underwhelming to say the least.

This was an high-end opportunity to get a player that would replace G as the core building block for the next decade, but it clearly didn't work out that way. Fortunately, we have another top 5 pick this year.

It was pretty annoying to have to settle for JVR over Panarin! Imagine adding Fox to this team.

I was referring to the Patrick draft. To me, if we had to hit that draft it is because we just tanked a year. We lucked in to a nice draft spot. That should have been a cherry on the top.

Basically, they would be saying you have to rely on hitting a lottery pick to be a good or even just a playoff team.

The team looks a lot worse now with the loss of some major assets and not enough to show for it.