Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella
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Striiker
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deadhead
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No, what they can't afford to do is tread water until they spring a leak again.
Trotz or Torts cannot make this team a top 8 team (i.e. legitimate SC contender), so all they'll do is make them contenders for the last playoff slot and draft between #14-20 until the talent implodes. And they'll push to trade draft picks for proven veterans.
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Sounds to me like they want to be thorough and interview everyone on their list. Maybe someone will blow them away.
But that Trotz and Torts are probably the frontrunners.
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deadhead
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It's not a matter of tanking, it's a matter of either you get a coach that can work with a young team for a few years and build a legitimate contender, or you add a Dino, get a short-term push, then watch it collapse as Couts, Ellis and Hayes age out.
Though Trotz isn't coming here, he'll have far better alternatives.
Torts may be more desperate, given that he took the CBJ job.
Ghosts Beer
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You don't think Trotz and Torts are capable of working with a young team? They both have had success with young teams.
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Which is an indictment of management's overall direction. Squeezing wins out of mediocrity is only going to prolong that mediocrity.
Beef Invictus
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So Fletcher is shit at presidenting and GMing, since as both figures he sets the specific course and pursues it? Got it. We know.
deadhead
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Like where? The Caps, the Islanders? Torts with the Rangers?
The owners always set the course of action on any team.
Some default to their GM, our defaults to his advisors.
Beef Invictus
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Our owner couldn't even talk about the roster without only referring to guys that Fletcher had just happened to mention while omitting obvious big names. He's not setting anything except "make them better."
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What I expect is the organization to be functional and coherent across levels.
Right now, it is dysfunctional. The messaging is all over the place.
I mean, wouldn't you expect, at a minimum, that a team valued at $1.2 Billion (Forbes, December 2021) would not act like it has no idea what to do?
I would expect it to have a President with a firm grasp on the vision for the organization and the appropriate mandate from his board to follow through.
I would expect the General Manager to be enabled to deliver upon that mandate, and communicate a strong, confident process to the fans.
Is that unreasonable to ask from an organization worth more than some small countries?
Hollywood Cannon
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Notice how we don’t hear a single word about Holmgren in any of these stories but he’s supposedly the one driving this ship.
Sure makes you wonder.
Sure makes you wonder.
Ghosts Beer
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When Torts took over in Tampa they were an extremely young team (age in far right column).
| 19 | Brad Richards | C | 82 | 21 | 41 | 62 | 14 | -10 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | PEI: Murray Harbour | 20 |
| 33 | Fredrik Modin | L | 76 | 32 | 24 | 56 | 48 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Sweden: Sundsvall | 25 |
| 4 | Vincent Lecavalier | C | 68 | 23 | 28 | 51 | 66 | -26 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | PQ: Ile-Bizard | 20 |
| 26 | Martin St. Louis | R | 78 | 18 | 22 | 40 | 12 | -4 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | PQ: Laval | 25 |
| Mike Johnson 1 | R | 64 | 11 | 27 | 38 | 38 | -10 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Scarborough | 25 | |
| 9 | Brian Holzinger | C | 70 | 11 | 25 | 36 | 64 | -9 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | OH: Parma | 27 |
| 13 | Pavel Kubina | D | 70 | 11 | 19 | 30 | 103 | -13 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Czech Rep.: Celadna | 23 |
| 14 | Alexander Kharitonov | R | 66 | 7 | 15 | 22 | 8 | -9 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Russia: Moscow | 24 |
| 8 | Todd Warriner | L | 64 | 10 | 11 | 21 | 46 | -13 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Blenheim | 26 |
| 17 | Ryan Johnson | C | 80 | 7 | 14 | 21 | 44 | -20 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Thunder Bay | 24 |
| 28 | Nils Ekman | R | 43 | 9 | 11 | 20 | 40 | -15 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Sweden: Stockholm | 24 |
| 30 | Andrei Zyuzin | D | 64 | 4 | 16 | 20 | 76 | -8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Russia: Ufa | 22 |
| Paul Mara 1 | D | 46 | 6 | 10 | 16 | 40 | -17 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | NJ: Ridgewood | 20 | |
| Wayne Primeau 2 | C | 47 | 2 | 13 | 15 | 77 | -17 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Scarborough | 24 | |
| 6 | Adrian Aucoin 3 | D | 26 | 1 | 11 | 12 | 25 | -8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Ottawa | 27 |
| 21 | Cory Sarich | D | 73 | 1 | 8 | 9 | 106 | -26 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | SASK: Saskatoon | 22 |
| 36 | Matthew Barnaby 4 | R | 29 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 97 | -3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Ottawa | 27 |
| 5 | Jassen Cullimore | D | 74 | 1 | 6 | 7 | 80 | -6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Simcoe | 27 |
| 7 | Ben Clymer | D | 23 | 5 | 1 | 6 | 21 | -7 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MN: Edina | 22 |
| 20 | Stan Drulia | R | 34 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 18 | -11 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | NY: Elmira | 32 |
| 41 | Maxim Galanov | D | 25 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 8 | -5 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Russia: Krasnoyarsk | 26 |
| 27 | Sheldon Keefe | R | 49 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 38 | -13 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Brampton | 19 |
They won the Cup in his 4th season.
The Blue Jackets were a young team when he took over. Seth Jones was 20. So was Wennberg. Saad and Jenner were 22. Atkinson and Bob were only 26. The next season they added a 19 year old Werenski and a 22 year old Josh Anderson.
As for Trotz, some of his Nashville teams were pretty darn young. He coached Weber and Suter from the time they were NHL rookies. Hamhuis, too. Just for three examples.
Striiker
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The worst thing that ever happened to this franchise is winning those two cups and permanently branding this dogshit franchise as the home of goons and retirement home of every overrated shitter who played on those teams.That was a good year sir !!
That's why they're still trying to emulate that embarrassing theme 50 years later and why we're going to be a dumpster franchise for the foreseeable future.
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if they end up with Torts, i just have one request: please for the love of god somebody get Howard Eskin on the Flyers' beat. i need Torts vs. Eskin injected directly into my veins.
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I saw that, and it's a clear statement to his (their) process and objective. It's fairly generic, but I'm happy to see it.
I was pointing more to the confusing messaging on the direction of the team. And anything requiring astute and high value moves, I'm not a believer in Fletch. If he pulls it off and gets a great coach, puts a great team together that becomes competitive with some positive momentum, I would be happy! That's what I want to watch.
Ghosts Beer
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Therien & San Filippo made a pretty good point on today’s Snow the Goalie.
Assuming the biggest-name veteran coaches available have other options, why would they choose the Flyers for any reason other than money?
If a coach’s average shelf-life is 3 years these days, do they really think the Flyers are going to be in better position to contend for a Cup in the next 3 years than other teams with openings?
It’s a good point. Hard to believe Trotz won’t have better options. It’s what happened with Quenneville.
I suppose Torts is controversial enough where his options may be more limited, but still.
And also the big name vets probably will demand a huge say in personnel. No established GM is going to be keen on bringing in a coach who is a threat to reduce his power & force him out. Hell, I think Trotz’ desire for personnel say caused conflict in both Washington & NY.
So the point was that they’d more likely end up with someone with less leverage & few options, like Montgomery.
Assuming the biggest-name veteran coaches available have other options, why would they choose the Flyers for any reason other than money?
If a coach’s average shelf-life is 3 years these days, do they really think the Flyers are going to be in better position to contend for a Cup in the next 3 years than other teams with openings?
It’s a good point. Hard to believe Trotz won’t have better options. It’s what happened with Quenneville.
I suppose Torts is controversial enough where his options may be more limited, but still.
And also the big name vets probably will demand a huge say in personnel. No established GM is going to be keen on bringing in a coach who is a threat to reduce his power & force him out. Hell, I think Trotz’ desire for personnel say caused conflict in both Washington & NY.
So the point was that they’d more likely end up with someone with less leverage & few options, like Montgomery.
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San Fillippo’s comment that he’s heard chatter of Torts being presented with the assistant coach role sure was something.
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LegionOfDoom91
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If the Flyers really tried to gauge Tort’s interest on potentially being an AC….Jesus Christ.
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I would have done it back then, although I'm very biased lol was a huuuge fan of his since his junior days, I knew he was what made drouin so good, although, I never heard any rumors about that trade tbh, kind of interesting to think about now though, I am very curious what his next contract will look like and how that may or may not work for the avs since he will get a big pay raise
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