Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[TheKingPin]

The prospects aren't shit, Colorado would kill for our young forwards to replace the crap they run out there in the bottom six - but they can do that b/c they have McKinnon, Landeskog, Kadri, etc in the top six playing 20 minutes a night. So they can carry scrubs. We don't have that quality in the top six, so guys like Cates aren't appreciated - he's the kind of player that TB is always adding, the smart, tough role player who complements their stars.

Note that G got plugged into the 2nd line in Florida, TK would play on any 2nd line in the NHL, but only some 1st lines.
Couts and Farabee are our only 1st line quality forwards, and we don't have a 1st pair D-man.

I don’t think the Avs want for much these days.

You just listed teams that have drafted high end talent to fill the roster then adding players like we have as depth that push them over the top. We have been a non factor for a decade and our best player is a 30+ old Couts who just missed an entire season.

No coach is going to come here for Cates.

 

[Curufinwe]

Calm down on Cates. He's played 16 games.

 

[Rebels57]

Where is that article from?

The one KingPin just posted a few posts before mine

Ranking the NHL coaching openings – and the best fits for each

Some vacancies have appealing markets. Others have appealing teams. Others have low expectations.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[TheKingPin]

The one Cap just posted a few posts before mine

Ranking the NHL coaching openings – and the best fits for each

Some vacancies have appealing markets. Others have appealing teams. Others have low expectations.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

The new format is confusing at least on mobile, but I posted it haha.

 

[deadhead]

Calm down on Cates. He's played 16 games.

No one is projecting him as a top six player, but eyeball says he's fine as a middle six guy, has an all around skill package and his high IQ was evident 4 years ago - he's exactly the kind of depth player that you want on a real contender.

 

[TheKingPin]

No one is projecting him as a top six player, but eyeball says he's fine as a middle six guy, has an all around skill package and his high IQ was evident 4 years ago - he's exactly the kind of depth player that you want on a real contender.

Cates is fine but you need top end talent.

The Avs got lucky to have Mackinnon suck in a contract year and then go on to do stuff like he did last night. He says he’s going to sign another bargain deal. Rust is going to make similar to Mackinnon will this year.

They were fortunate to draft at certain spots a few times.

Then they added an entire second line.

Now they look like a cup winner.

The flyers will have to slip through this attempt at being good. Then tank for another decade or maybe less to be in the same spot maybe. It may be another 15 years of no or sparse playoffs.

The failures of the last decade cannot be understated.

 

[FlyguyOX]

When Torts has a team that lacks talent, he turns them into a muck-it-up, block shots, and grind away for 30-35 wins type of team. Worst case scenario.

Hell after being shit for so long I'm down for anything that helps us actually Win.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The "this team isn't talented" or "the team has no skill" so Torts and Trotz would be perfect here arguments are tiresome. Good coaches get the most of their rosters. Just because a roster isn't talented doesn't mean you default to a defense-only system. To be clear, that is what I expect to happen, but every successful team has to be able to threaten the opposition or else it's just an avalanche of possession and chances and you're relying on your goalie to win games. I'm not trying to be the NYR.

Yes. We know what their response to this kind of situation is, and it's not a good thing to watch. It'll add a few wins but overall isn't enough on its own to go anywhere. It's treading water.

Of course in the end neither is the real problem. The real problem is management.

 

[FlyguyOX]

The prospects aren't shit, Colorado would kill for our young forwards to replace the crap they run out there in the bottom six - but they can do that b/c they have McKinnon, Landeskog, Kadri, etc in the top six playing 20 minutes a night. So they can carry scrubs. We don't have that quality in the top six, so guys like Cates aren't appreciated - he's the kind of player that TB is always adding, the smart, tough role player who complements their stars.

Note that G got plugged into the 2nd line in Florida, TK would play on any 2nd line in the NHL, but only some 1st lines.
Couts and Farabee are our only 1st line quality forwards, and we don't have a 1st pair D-man.

Frost and Tippet and Brink and the rest of our "top forward prospects" would be healthy scratches for Colorado without a doubt.

Calm down on Cates. He's played 16 games.

He's going to be a stud. His per 60 metrics are off the chart compared to the rest of the team. Will be able to play up and down throughout the lineup.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Frost and Tippet and Brink and the rest of our "top forward prospects" would be healthy scratches for Colorado without a doubt.


He's going to be a stud. His per 60 metrics are off the chart compared to the rest of the team. Will be able to play up and down throughout the lineup.

They found effective uses for NAK, I know they could use Frost or Brink.

Tippett I am unsure of.

 

[SuchySays]

"A new coach has to decide how he or she will approach the very tangible element of the Flyer dynamic. "

lmao

 

[flyersnorth]

"In fact, one long-time NHL executive and former player noted that it’s shocking that of all the openings the Flyers would be easily the least desirable. “That’s not good. At all,” the observer said. At the crux of this, for anyone considering the job is this question: what is the real mandate here?"

This is easily the biggest question. Where is the team headed? What is the vision? What is your plan?

“It’s being aggressive in all phases,” Fletcher said. “Certainly part of it is we have to get younger. We have to get more talented. We have to get faster. And then we have to aggressively look at trades, free agency: Can we add a couple players to supplement what we have here and make this team better?”

Chuck's answer to "younger, faster, more talented" has been to commit 5 years and $25M to Ristolainen, who does not check any of those three boxes. The other has been to re-sign Seeler, who also does not check any of those boxes. MacEwen will almost certainly be re-signed and he does not check any of those boxes either.

So that's 3 roster players, none of which are "younger, faster, more talented," than what they showed this year.

Tippett, Cates, Frost check those boxes. York checks that box. Attard, still too early. Getting Fedotov under contract to come here is a positive sign as well.

When asked if the goal of this retool is to focus on winning now or building for the future, Fletcher replied, “A little bit of both.” He compared it to the 2019 offseason, when the team hired Alain Vigneault as coach, signed center Kevin Hayes to a seven-year deal, and acquired defensemen Justin Braun and Matt Niskanen, although he acknowledged the situations are different.

None of Hayes, Braun, Niskanen fit Fletcher's stated criteria immediately above it to get "younger, faster." Niskanen did increase the talent level at the time he was acquired, considering what we had on defense.

Yet when talking about his plan to get "younger, faster, more talented," he points to 2019 and three acquisitions that don't really satisfy his own stated criteria.

He wants to win now and build for the future.

Sadly, in pursuing both, he's achieved neither. Will this off-season be any different?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

"A new coach has to decide how he or she will approach the very tangible element of the Flyer dynamic. "

lmao

Val Camillo confirmed new HC

 

[Rebels57]

Val Camillo confirmed new HC

Don't put it past them.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[deadhead]

They found effective uses for NAK, I know they could use Frost or Brink.

Tippett I am unsure of.

Tippett > NAK. Hands down. Tippett is bigger, faster and more skilled, just has to learn to finish.
Neither is a rocket scientist, but NAK can be counted on for a stupid penalty every other game.

Brink wouldn't play on this year's Colorado team for the same reason Newhook was glued to the bench, inexperience.
Hodgson might be an upgrade over Cogliano. He's been that bad.

This is how little they trust their bottom six forwards in the playoffs:
Cogliano 6:28 at ES (6g)
Sturm 7:58 (6g)
O'Connor 8:12 (6g)
Helm 8:23
Newhook 10:06 (2g) [replaced Burakovsky]
NAK 11:23
Compher 12:28

 

[deadhead]

"In fact, one long-time NHL executive and former player noted that it’s shocking that of all the openings the Flyers would be easily the least desirable. “That’s not good. At all,” the observer said. At the crux of this, for anyone considering the job is this question: what is the real mandate here?"

This is easily the biggest question. Where is the team headed? What is the vision? What is your plan?

“It’s being aggressive in all phases,” Fletcher said. “Certainly part of it is we have to get younger. We have to get more talented. We have to get faster. And then we have to aggressively look at trades, free agency: Can we add a couple players to supplement what we have here and make this team better?”

Chuck's answer to "younger, faster, more talented" has been to commit 5 years and $25M to Ristolainen, who does not check any of those three boxes. The other has been to re-sign Seeler, who also does not check any of those boxes. MacEwen will almost certainly be re-signed and he does not check any of those boxes either.

So that's 3 roster players, none of which are "younger, faster, more talented," than what they showed this year.

Tippett, Cates, Frost check those boxes. York checks that box. Attard, still too early. Getting Fedotov under contract to come here is a positive sign as well.

When asked if the goal of this retool is to focus on winning now or building for the future, Fletcher replied, “A little bit of both.” He compared it to the 2019 offseason, when the team hired Alain Vigneault as coach, signed center Kevin Hayes to a seven-year deal, and acquired defensemen Justin Braun and Matt Niskanen, although he acknowledged the situations are different.

None of Hayes, Braun, Niskanen fit Fletcher's stated criteria immediately above it to get "younger, faster." Niskanen did increase the talent level at the time he was acquired, considering what we had on defense.

Yet when talking about his plan to get "younger, faster, more talented," he points to 2019 and three acquisitions that don't really satisfy his own stated criteria.

He wants to win now and build for the future.

Sadly, in pursuing both, he's achieved neither. Will this off-season be any different?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Do you really think Fletcher decides the direction of the team?

This sounds like a guy desperately trying not to contradict his boss, yet quite aware the team needs to add top young talent, and that they're not doing that in free agency. Fletcher keeps dropping subtle clues, like "we don't expect to take 5 years . . ." is far different than saying like Scott, that they expect to compete next year.

Seeler says nothing about the team's offseason strategy. He's a fringe player.
Risto reeks of the advisors demanding that the team be "tougher to play against."

This reminds me of Hextall trading all the veterans for picks but saying he expected to compete - and the result was statis, keep SImmonds, trade Schenn, add Filppula and Weiss, sign JVR. Was that Hextall's choice or the constraints placed upon him?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tippett > NAK. Hands down. Tippett is bigger, faster and more skilled, just has to learn to finish.
Neither is a rocket scientist, but NAK can be counted on for a stupid penalty every other game.

Brink wouldn't play on this year's Colorado team for the same reason Newhook was glued to the bench, inexperience.
Hodgson might be an upgrade over Cogliano. He's been that bad.

This is how little they trust their bottom six forwards in the playoffs:
Cogliano 6:28 at ES (6g)
Sturm 7:58 (6g)
O'Connor 8:12 (6g)
Helm 8:23
Newhook 10:06 (2g) [replaced Burakovsky]
NAK 11:23
Compher 12:28

Tippett has a rock for a brain and spends his time chasing the play in a way NAK doesn't. NAK is also better at pushing the puck up ice.

Tippett is thoroughly dependent on his linemates carrying him, he's a full passenger in a way that NAK isn't. Colorado plays too fast for Tippett to handle.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Do you really think Fletcher decides the direction of the team?

This sounds like a guy desperately trying not to contradict his boss, yet quite aware the team needs to add top young talent, and that they're not doing that in free agency. Fletcher keeps dropping subtle clues, like "we don't expect to take 5 years . . ." is far different than saying like Scott, that they expect to compete next year.

Seeler says nothing about the team's offseason strategy. He's a fringe player.
Risto reeks of the advisors demanding that the team be "tougher to play against."

This reminds me of Hextall trading all the veterans for picks but saying he expected to compete - and the result was statis, keep SImmonds, trade Schenn, add Filppula and Weiss, sign JVR. Was that Hextall's choice or the constraints placed upon him?

Yes, Fletcher, the team president, GM, and alt governor, is instrumental in deciding strategy and fully responsible for how it is carried out.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Friedge seemed a little more forceful here than he did in his podcast yesterday.

Mentions Muller, but kind of downplays it, and says the Flyers are looking for a coach with a "veteran demanding presence."

First time I've heard that description.

 

[Magua]

“A veteran demanding presence.” Kill me.

Didn’t they just do that with Vigneault and French Mike? Why is that the most important criteria? This organization is rotten.

 

[Redpath]

Tortorella and Trotz are both big name, easy, marketable hires. Espeically Tortorella since he'll be able to fill in a bunch of cliche answers about what he brings to the table. It is really no surprise that he'd be a front runner.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's the lazy thing to do, so it wouldn't be surprising.

 

[Curufinwe]

Cates is fine but you need top end talent.

The Avs got lucky to have Mackinnon suck in a contract year and then go on to do stuff like he did last night. He says he’s going to sign another bargain deal. Rust is going to make similar to Mackinnon will this year.

I think the idea of trading the #2 pick for MacKinnon was fairly unpopular here five years ago.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Tortorella and Trotz are both big name, easy, marketable hires. Espeically Tortorella since he'll be able to fill in a bunch of cliche answers about what he brings to the table. It is really no surprise that he'd be a front runner.

Not only are Trotz and Fonzie the most marketable "name" coaches out there, but they also have a track record of squeezing a lot out of mediocre teams.

And I'm sure that's appealing to management, who simply can't afford another losing season.