Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[SuchySays]

We'd win a Cup with Torts.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I listened to the Friedman mention of Kirk Muller.

Then I watched some Muller interviews.

I think he’d be a mistake & that if they hire Muller they’re outthinking themselves.

The guy reeks assistant coach.

I’m sure players like him, & he’s a “good communicator” & all that jazz. And he might even have some creative ideas. But nah, he’s not going to get this Flyers team to overachieve as captain of the ship. He’s not going to instill discipline. They may as well hire Tocchet if they hire Muller.

 

[Striiker]

... if it was 1974.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Well, if the Blues are out, I hope to hear that Chuck reached out to Montgomery.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Oh we are 100% hiring Torts

 

[Tripod]

All I know is that things are looking great toward me saving money from not having to buy NHL Cèntre Ice to watch this slop team.

 

[TheKingPin]

Ranking the NHL coaching openings – and the best fits for each

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[BrindamoursNose]

I've resigned myself to the fact that we're hiring Torts

F***

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Ranking the NHL coaching openings – and the best fits for each

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LOL, last place, and no one wants to come here.

yup that def. checks out..

love how it even mentions the coach will have to answer to the old boys club...

does any other NHL team have such a leech stuck to it ??

 

[FlyguyOX]

Torts is the perfect coach for our timeline tbh. We don't have jack shit for top talent and you need a coach that can make lemonade out of chicken shit, which is what Torts does. He can finally instill some damn defensive structure and discipline and hope it gets us in a wild card spot for a couple years before his message wears thin and we start the much needed rebuild.

A wild card spot is Fletcher's goal.

So if that's the goal, Torts seems like a good guy to do it.

To be clear - obviously we need a major rebuild, but that's not the direction the FO has taken this team.

 

[TB87]

He can finally instill some damn defensive structure and discipline

Not being able to score or break the puck out with possession are far bigger issues than their defensive structure and discipline. In fact, their inability to do the aforementioned is why they’re constantly playing defense. Constantly playing defense, leads to consistently giving up shots/chances/goals, and that leads to a poor defensive structure that inevitably cracks and breaks due to fatigue and exhaustion. It’s an endless, tortuous cycle. They’re a TERRIBLE possession team. Really awful. It’s a massive issue. Fortunately, Chuck only cares about defense though…


GoOd ThInG tHeY sIgNeD rIsTo. He CaN dEfInItElY hElP bReAk ThE pUcK oUt WiTh PoSseSsIoN.

 

[TheKingPin]

Not being able to score or break the puck out with possession are far bigger issues than their defensive structure and discipline. In fact, their inability to do the aforementioned is why they’re constantly playing defense. Constantly playing defense, leads to consistently giving up shots/chances/goals, and that leads to a poor defensive structure that inevitably cracks and breaks due to fatigue and exhaustion. It’s an endless, tortuous cycle. They’re a TERRIBLE possession team. Really awful. It’s a massive issue. Fortunately, Chuck only cares about defense though…


GoOd ThInG tHeY sIgNeD rIsTo. He CaN dEfInItElY hElP bReAk ThE pUcK oUt WiTh PoSseSsIoN.

Could the best coach in the league help make this team be top 5 in those categories? If the answer is no, the best option is still to tank. So the best and quickest option to a cup may be Torts. Sucks.

 

[bennysflyers16]

... if it was 1974.

That was a good year sir !!

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

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Nothing they said in there was wrong or the least bit off-base. To read that and know that Fletcher still has a job is unfathomable.

 

[FLYguy3911]

The "this team isn't talented" or "the team has no skill" so Torts and Trotz would be perfect here arguments are tiresome. Good coaches get the most of their rosters. Just because a roster isn't talented doesn't mean you default to a defense-only system. To be clear, that is what I expect to happen, but every successful team has to be able to threaten the opposition or else it's just an avalanche of possession and chances and you're relying on your goalie to win games. I'm not trying to be the NYR.

 

[Curufinwe]

Well, if the Blues are out, I hope to hear that Chuck reached out to Montgomery.

You jinxed it!

 

[Rebels57]

Nothing they said in there was wrong or the least bit off-base. To read that and know that Fletcher still has a job is unfathomable.

Ranking the NHL coaching openings – and the best fits for each

Some vacancies have appealing markets. Others have appealing teams. Others have low expectations.

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Philadelphia Flyers​

To say the Flyers are, well, a mess might be charitable. They finished 29th in the league, 39 points out of the second wildcard spot in the Eastern Conference. They had a minus-87 goal differential and the sad part is the goaltending was actually pretty good. They were 31st in the NHL in goals for, and their power play was dead last. They fired their head coach, Alain Vigneault, and then left Mike Yeo to try and make chicken salad out of, well, you know, the rest of the way. They traded away long-time captain Claude Giroux at the deadline, the ultimate waving of the organizational white flag. Fans have stayed away in droves. GM Chuck Fletcher has tried to plug the many holes in the lineup and there have been promises to spend more money on scouting and development but, well, hard to imagine this team has been as low as it is now in many, many moons.

Pros


Well, the bar’s set pretty low in Philadelphia now for what constitutes success. And even though ownership/senior management insists it’s not really a rebuild, blah, blah, blah, no coach is coming in here with the realistic expectation of anything but trying to slowly put the pieces back together. And it’s Philadelphia. The team will pay top dollar in the hopes of stopping the bleeding. Travel is easy. Fans are knowledgeable and invested (except when they vote with their feet and wallets when the product is substandard). There’s a franchise goalie in Carter Hart as long as the losing doesn’t break him. Hopefully defenseman Ryan Ellis will get better (healthier) and help bring stability to the lineup.

Cons

Where do you start? Hard to imagine this job appeals to the high-end free agent coaches like Trotz, DeBoer or Tocchet even though Tocchet has a long history with the club, because there are lots more attractive openings. In fact, one long-time NHL executive and former player noted that it’s shocking that of all the openings the Flyers would be easily the least desirable. “That’s not good. At all,” the observer said. At the crux of this, for anyone considering the job is this question: what is the real mandate here? Promising young players seem to have hit a wall, so is that coaching, development or just mistakes in talent evaluation? The transition from the venerable Ed Snider to the corporate monolith Comcast Spectacor as the ultimate decision-makers on hirings, firings and direction led by Dave Scott has not been seamless. There is also the specter of the old Flyers that continues to haunt this club. It caused friction with former GM Ron Hextall with complaints that he wasn’t open to including those figures who remain around the team. A new coach has to decide how he or she will approach the very tangible element of the Flyer dynamic. This is a critical hire for Fletcher (duh, really?) and after Hextall’s experiment with long-time collegiate coach Dave Hakstol cost both Hextall and Hakstol their jobs, paving the way for Chuck Fletcher to arrive and install Vigneault as head coach, there isn’t an obvious path to a new coach for a team that has no obvious path road to respectability.

Who Fits?

Let’s assume the big boys aren’t going to be a fit. Chuck Fletcher needs to find the next Jon Cooper, a teacher who can accelerate the learning curve of the team’s young talent, then take them the next steps back to playoff contention and to being a legitimate contender. And Fletcher needs to have ownership’s backing to do it. Montgomery has a strong connection to the Flyer organization, seems to have truly embraced sobriety and has been an important part of the Blues’ renaissance as part of Craig Berube’s staff. Gronborg may be a better fit in Detroit (see above) but again, if Fletcher is looking to move out of the comfort zone of recycling an existing NHL head coach, Gronborg’s resume is impressive. I can see Green fitting here as well.

"We're in a good place." - Charles Fletcher

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

f*** it. I'm just expecting that whoever comes in here will see the train wreck of a team that Fletcher built and will say that there's no way anyone can compete with the way the product on the ice has been built. Tortorella might be the guy who can do that because quite frankly, he just doesn't give a shit who's in power and he'll step on toes, regardless. That crazy bastard might just get the proper rebuild started.

 

[Rebels57]

f*** it. I'm just expecting that whoever comes in here will see the train wreck of a team that Fletcher built and will say that there's no way anyone can compete with the way the product on the ice has been built. Tortorella might be the guy who can do that because quite frankly, he just doesn't give a shit who's in power and he'll step on toes, regardless. That crazy bastard might just get the proper rebuild started.

When Torts has a team that lacks talent, he turns them into a muck-it-up, block shots, and grind away for 30-35 wins type of team. Worst case scenario.

 

[deadhead]

I think it comes down to the FO getting its shit together. First, b/c you can't hire a HC or make off season moves without a clear direction from Scott, are we rebuilding, reloading or attempting to compete? The Flyers got in this situation b/c they haven't committed to any strategy for the last decade, even when Hextall was trying to rebuild, he never committed to the rebuild or worked to garner "buy in" by the PTB. He traded veterans for picks, then signed Weise and JVR and Elliott and Neuvirth. Waited two years too long to move Simmonds, but moved Schenn for players who wouldn't contribute for 3 years or longer.

Fletcher was hired with a mandate for action (win now), but even a brilliant GM couldn't overcome the overall lack of talent - if you keep Ghost, Voracek and Patrick the outcome would have been the same, if you sign Duchene instead of Hayes, the last three seasons would have been similar, and so on. Hakstol got this team to overachieve in 2017-18, and AV in 2019-20, but neither team was sustainable - you can't win based on 1 line and a mediocre defense. They've been an 90 point team since 2012, some years they get hot and approach 100, some years they approach 80. The best thing about last season is it might be the wake up called they've needed to get out of this rut.

Ironically, they have better young depth than they've had in decades, you can actually fill out a roster and have solid prospects in LHV behind them next year - what they lack are 2-3 top young players to anchor a future contender. A young center and 1st pair D-man are obvious priorities.

 

[TheKingPin]

Nothing they said in there was wrong or the least bit off-base. To read that and know that Fletcher still has a job is unfathomable.

It’s odd to know that the media has the sam stance we have given the philly media. Agreed that this is an accurate article and basically says the team is shit and the prospects are too. That’s not good after being bad for the last decade anyway.

 

[deadhead]

When Torts has a team that lacks talent, he turns them into a muck-it-up, block shots, and grind away for 30-35 wins type of team. Worst case scenario.

If you hire a coach to win games, any smart coach will do that - Hatkstol did that b/c he lacked talent, one top line and three lines that needed to be protected (Filppula as a 2C?). A defensive corp that couldn't be trusted and goalies that were shaky. Still managed to get a 90 point team to 96 and 98 points and the playoffs twice.

For a HC to play a more open game and accept that more talented teams will blow you out while the kids learn on the job requires a commitment by the FO to a 3 year plus rebuild so the HC can focus on player development rather than wins and losses.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The Flyers are fortunate that there are so many good coaches available this off-season.

Trotz, Torts, DeBoer, Montgomery, Julien. Maurice. They aren't short on options.

 

[deadhead]

It’s odd to know that the media has the sam stance we have given the philly media. Agreed that this is an accurate article and basically says the team is shit and the prospects are too. That’s not good after being bad for the last decade anyway.

The prospects aren't shit, Colorado would kill for our young forwards to replace the crap they run out there in the bottom six - but they can do that b/c they have McKinnon, Landeskog, Kadri, etc in the top six playing 20 minutes a night. So they can carry scrubs. We don't have that quality in the top six, so guys like Cates aren't appreciated - he's the kind of player that TB is always adding, the smart, tough role player who complements their stars.

Note that G got plugged into the 2nd line in Florida, TK would play on any 2nd line in the NHL, but only some 1st lines.
Couts and Farabee are our only 1st line quality forwards, and we don't have a 1st pair D-man.

 

[Curufinwe]

"We're in a good place." - Charles Fletcher

Where is that article from?