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Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

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The thing about Tortorella is that I don't think he has the pull of trotz or av. If Fletcher says these are the guys I'm giving you then that's who he has to play.

And since someone brought up the ideal assistant I think John Stevens worked under Montgomery before and has a track record of developing young players. I know it's a bit incestuous but he's familiar with the team and the market.
 
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Funny thing about Torts, Atkinson loves the guy, and you'd think he's the kind of player that would chafe under him.
Laine hates him b/c Torts wouldn't let him "cheat."

But Laine's advanced xGF suggests maybe he should have listened?
2018-19: 43.08%, xGFrel -7.06
2019-20: 41.72% xGFrel -2.00
2020-21: 39.71% (Torts) xGFrel -7.14
2021-22: 39.69%, xGFrel -6.03

Now xGF tends to underestimate the play of above average offensive players (who convert a higher proportion of scoring chances), but Laine has only had a Sh% of 14%+ 3 of 6 seasons, the other years he was in the 9-10% range. When he's not shooting at well above the league average, he's a serious liability b/c he does nothing else well at ES.

Does tell you if you bring Torts in, you need to move out the stat hunters.
 
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TK might be the closest, but he's really improved his game, despite a career low Sh%, his overall game was solid this season, as he's matured to the point where he doesn't let his scoring struggles have a major impact on how he plays the game anymore.

Scorers have hot and cold streaks, they can't control puck luck, they can control effort, back checking, not forcing plays and making bad passes, etc. That's where TK has made big strides.
 
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The thing about Tortorella is that I don't think he has the pull of trotz or av. If Fletcher says these are the guys I'm giving you then that's who he has to play.

And since someone brought up the ideal assistant I think John Stevens worked under Montgomery before and has a track record of developing young players. I know it's a bit incestuous but he's familiar with the team and the market.
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Just out of curiosity, I keep hearing how bad Torts would be because of "his system" or "he's a dinosaur" or "AV 2.0!" but no real critique of what the issue would be. The biggest critique seems to be he is a "vet" coach and won't do well with the young players, but throughout his career in his most successful years he has had some young stars that were able to produce at relatively high levels. As is normally the case during an overreaction here, there doesn't seem to be too much substance just a lot of hair on fire about how bad this will be.
 
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By what metric? Why specifically Konecny?
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Through accountability and discipline. TK continues to have long stretches where he disappears, and stretches where he forces bad plays and loses focus away from the puck.

Atkinson was at his best under Torts, and I think we could see a similar result with TK.
 
DrinkFightFlyers said:
As is normally the case during an overreaction here, there doesn't seem to be too much substance just a lot of hair on fire about how bad this will be.
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Multiple posters have explained, in detail, why they don’t want Torts as coach.

It’s simple really:
Stifling offense in favor of defense is his thing/system/preference. That makes for a consistently boring brand of hockey. The Flyers are boring already. He’d make them even more unwatchable. He’s also a drama queen.
 
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If Tortorella was going to be the hire, it would have been done already. He's been free to sign for a while. Still think that the Flyers are waiting on Montgomery to be free after the Blues' season is over.
It could also be that Q is the guy but he needs to be cleared by the League to re-enter. I doubt that is the situation for the Flyers since there has been a lot of negative feed back on reinstating Q. He has a bit of a stink on him that isn't going away.
 
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I think the biggest problem with Torts is he's a bit of a loose cannon.
While some players respect his honesty and passion, it rubs others the wrong way.
Cooper certainly installs a lot of structure in TB, but he seems to avoid alienating his players in doing so.

A good HC learns how to tailor his message to each player, avoid playing to the media by throwing players "under the bus," and quietly arranges for the GM to shop players who won't buy in.

It makes for boring press conferences but tends to extend HC longevity.
 
Magua said:
Montgomery has coached the Blues to the 3rd and 2nd ranked PPs in his 2 years. Even in the playoffs right now in small sample, they're only behind Colorado. Not so great news is they were 3rd the season before as well. But both their units hum. Given his Denver teams were always pretty strong and creative offensively for a college team, you'd think he has a firm grip on offense.

And yet, his only full season in Dallas, that team was 3rd worst in GF. Interestingly enough, they were 2nd best in GA. While being 14th in xGF% and making the playoffs. In terms of low event and making the playoffs, for all the people salivating over Trotz, that looks Trotz-like. I don't say that with a positive connotation. To be fair to Montgomery, their roster was basically Benn-Seguin-Radulov right on the precipice of the cliff, Klingberg, and rookie Hintz/Heiskanen. Which is the real Monty?
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At the tables in LV, I fold with a Q and a 7 and the Flyers have a few Qs. No As and Ks. And the flop looks unlikely to make a difference. I have no confidence the river card will help either.

Look at NYR and TB. NYR and TB, two hi powered offensive teams......big deal. Their goalies and their defense clogging the middle makes mind numbing watching but extremely effective SC-like play.

Sorry Magua, I will be surprised any HC will make a difference in the long run.

Toe Blake would not make a dent with this team.

Hope may be eternal. But I am not an immortal being.
 
Striiker said:
"I can't read so everything I didn't read doesn't exist"
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Unless it happened before the post I made about Torts where I wasn't posting so wouldn't have seen the posts, I don't see anyone giving any concrete positions other than the sky is falling type of posts. Perhaps it is from someone I am ignoring?

TB87 said:
Multiple posters have explained, in detail, why they don’t want Torts as coach.

It’s simple really:
Stifling offense in favor of defense is his thing/system/preference. That makes for a consistently boring brand of hockey. The Flyers are boring already. He’d make them even more unwatchable. He’s also a drama queen.
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Where are these posts? Perhaps I am missing them but I just went back to my first post on the issue and read forwards and don't see these in detail reasons they don't want Torts. I see a lot of general sweeping complaints about how he will be a bad coach or this is AV all over again, but nothing specific. This is about as specific as I have seen.
 
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Baskow wanting Torts because he'll be a long term coach is hilarious. He would wear out his welcome in three years, tops.
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DrinkFightFlyers said:
Unless it happened before the post I made about Torts where I wasn't posting so wouldn't have seen the posts, I don't see anyone giving any concrete positions other than the sky is falling type of posts. Perhaps it is from someone I am ignoring?


Where are these posts? Perhaps I am missing them but I just went back to my first post on the issue and read forwards and don't see these in detail reasons they don't want Torts. I see a lot of general sweeping complaints about how he will be a bad coach or this is AV all over again, but nothing specific. This is about as specific as I have seen.
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Torts has been around forever. Shouldn't it be common knowledge? If so, then why do you need every issue bullet-pointed out for you?
 
Rebels57 said:
Torts has been around forever. Shouldn't it be common knowledge? If so, then why do you need every issue bullet-pointed out for you?
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The old "everyone knows so I am not explaining it and I am right" explanation. That is almost as good as the "do your own research!" explanation.
 
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DrinkFightFlyers said:
The old "everyone knows so I am not explaining it and I am right" explanation. That is almost as good as the "do your own research!" explanation.
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Dude, it's f***ing Torts - how do you not know this guys resume/reputation by now? :laugh:
 
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Dude, it's f***ing Torts - how do you not know this guys resume/reputation by now? :laugh:
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That's the point. I do know his resume/reputation, it is one that includes highs and lows. Some of his resume and reputation is good, other parts are not. It's the reason that I said he's not the best option but he also isn't the worst option. This is why I am curious as to what people think the actual issues are with him. If you can't provide them, that's fine you don't have to respond.
 
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