Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Striiker]

Montgomery has coached the Blues to the 3rd and 2nd ranked PPs in his 2 years. Even in the playoffs right now in small sample, they're only behind Colorado. Not so great news is they were 3rd the season before as well. But both their units hum. Given his Denver teams were always pretty strong and creative offensively for a college team, you'd think he has a firm grip on offense.

It'd be a cruel joke to get a coach who understands and values the PP (if that's the case) the first year we won't have any of Giroux, Jake, or Ghost...

 

[GKJ]

I love how the concept of offense AND defense both being capable of thriving is anathema to HockeyGuys. If you cannot get elite numbers out of an elite offensive player that is a major f***ing problem, even if you manage to overachieve in some ways. It also conveniently ignores how drastically scoring has gone up these last few years. Getting 65 point paces out of Barzal is a cry for help.

The Islanders were a one-way 35-37-10 team the year before Trotz got there (undeniably bad, 29th in xGF%), and they were a 37-35-10 in his last year, which doesn't count. Guys like Pulock and Pelech were in their first full seasons too in 2017-18; their goalies were upgraded massively in that timespan. Over Trotz' years the Isles finished 16th, 20th, 11th, 22nd in xGF%. While acknowledging Trotz is still on the above-average end of the spectrum, it's amazing how the narrative around him has changed in 5 years.

Didn’t we just have an off-season of guys who care and want to win?

 

[Magua]

It'd be a cruel joke to get a coach who understands and values the PP (if that's the case) the first year we won't have any of Giroux, Jake, or Ghost...

Hayes, Tippett, Provorov, Couturier, Konecny on PP1. What's the problem?

Didn’t we just have an off-season of guys who care and want to win?

No, we had an off-season of guys who crack jokes in the locker room, make up goofy nicknames, and make the boards go BANG when they make a hit. No one ever said culture change was about producing a winning culture.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Never forget:



(After the Yandle signing)

 

[FLYguy3911]

And that was before the Giroux trade.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I yearn for the day when culture isn’t used to explain things over actual talent deficiencies in hockey.

 

[Magua]

Building a hockey culture is a lot like making yogurt or sourdough bread.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

And that was before the Giroux trade.

Top five in locker room advanced metrics now.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Disagree. Unless Chevy agrees to move Scheiffle as part of the agreement no coach wants to walk into that mess. Plus the pressure of being home and not being able to go anywhere without being harassed I’d go with Vegas or Philly. But then again I live here

55 is 100% gone.

Can Vegas even start the season without shedding a ton of salary ?

Trotz will make Winnipeg a lot better, and they still will score goals with him.

 

[renberg]

I’m coming to the conclusion that Montgomery is the hire. Sure they might hire Trotz if he blows the doors off of an interview and convinces the PTB that he can do what they want-bring along the young players. That’s never been Trotz’s forte while Montgomery has has success with it.
There might be some remorse in the organization about letting go of Berube. He certainly has shown more in St. Louis than anyone would have thought off of his stint in Philly. Well, they can’t get him back but they can get his top assistant. Montgomery may have been their guy after AV was canned and the Blues wouldn’t let him go. We’ll see in a week when the AVs finish them off.

 

[Rebels57]

The Blues are the team the Flyers should be trying to emulate (not the Islanders). No "superstars," just deep with a lot of excellent players. We dont really have a path to becoming a top-heavy superstar led team.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Who were Montgomerys assistants in the past ?

 

[Magua]

The Blues are the team the Flyers should be trying to emulate (not the Islanders). No "superstars," just deep with a lot of excellent players.

Well, they were 7th worst and 10th worst in 5v5 xGF% the last 2 seasons. I agree they have terrific forward depth, but I'm not sure that's my team to fully emulate. Worse news? Buchnevich, Thomas, and Kyrou are substantially better than any Flyer not named Couturier. Those are 3 stars, even if they're not Hart-tier. Good news is 2 of them are Ghibli.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Who were Montgomerys assistants in the past ?

Rick Bowness for one.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tocchet is probably a dark horse candidate if he wants the job. He's got a decent gig now though.

 

[Striiker]

Tocchet is probably a dark horse candidate if he wants the job. He's got a decent gig now though.

I'm also slightly confused by how decent he's been on that panel.

Biz and Carter are f***ing mush brained idiots with their caveman ranting, but Tocchet has actually said some decently logical and modern stuff, like saying it's better to play aggressive than sit back and play D.

 

[Magua]

Tocchet has been good on the panel. He was a successful assistant coach. No one really knows if a coach evolved with time off because it does happen on rare occasion. But even in enticing interviews, that’s different than day-to-day strategy. Also, who is doing the interviewing is relevant. But there’s no real reason to bet on it in light of other known candidates. You could luck out or, more likely, not.

 

[captainpaxil]

I think the problem with Montgomery is I don't know how much time he'll actually have with 5oa. They're going to have a really hard time justifying keeping a guy 3 years down the line without making the playoffs.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hakstol and AV are both coaches who started off saying correct things and then their actual execution was something else entirely

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Tocchet has been good on the panel. He was a successful assistant coach. No one really knows if a coach evolved with time off because it does happen on rare occasion. But even in enticing interviews, that’s different than day-to-day strategy. Also, who is doing the interviewing is relevant. But there’s no real reason to bet on it in light of other known candidates. You could luck out or, more likely, not.

NRD said on his recent podcast that Dallas sent out feelers to Tocchet in season to see if he would want to be their head coach. If he said yes (which he obviously didn’t) they were going to change out Tocchet for Bowness right then. He said they could try to take another run at Tocchet but if not it could be an internal hire like NYI.

 

[Magua]

I just want a coach whose very visage and words do not cause feelings of pure revulsion. Is that too much to ask? Like a normal bad coach who I don’t despise on a personal level? No dead eyes and battling, no egomania and martinis. Being able to say, “He means well but blows,” would feel like a major step up.

Hakstol and AV are both coaches who started off saying correct things and then their actual execution was something else entirely

Did they? I just remember Vigneault being a f***ing Flyer. Hakstol, I barely remember what thoughts he elicited. I don’t remember them saying anything tactically modern. If anything, Yeo said a lot of good things, but saying and doing are two different things, even if you say shit in earnest.

 

[Larry44]

And that was before the Giroux trade.

The highlight of this off-season will be Chuckles striking out on all the UFAs, then begging Giroux to come back, only to have G say FU and sign with the Sens….

 

[Beef Invictus]

I just want a coach whose very visage and words do not cause feelings of pure revulsion. Is that too much to ask? Like a normal bad coach who I don’t despise on a personal level? No dead eyes and battling, no egomania and martinis. Being able to say, “He means well but blows,” would feel like a major step up.



Did they? I just remember Vigneault being a f***ing Flyer. Hakstol, I barely remember what thoughts he elicited. I don’t remember them saying anything tactically modern. If anything, Yeo said a lot of good things, but saying and doing are two different things, even if you say shit in earnest.

AV talked about taking what they other team gives you. If they're jamming the blue line, dump it in behind on the rush. If they're hanging back ready for that, enter with possession. I was highly skeptical, but he did say it. In the end I think the team made those situational adjustments maybe 4 total times and otherwise just spent every shift dumping pucks in on teams who knew they were always going to do that.

Hakstol said a lot of modern things about dmen and their role for pushing offense. The way he described it, I was very excited to see what he'd do with our prospects. Then the execution was all "staple to blue line" and "shoot from furthest point" as he actively favored the least suited dmen over those most suited to such play.

 

[TheKingPin]

At least Montgomery has not failed. He has had success and adds value. I just want someone they can develop players and run strong special teams right now. I don’t even want them to be good next year.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I think the problem with Montgomery is I don't know how much time he'll actually have with 5oa. They're going to have a really hard time justifying keeping a guy 3 years down the line without making the playoffs.

I mean you could say that with any head coach given the Flyers roster & age/contract outlook moving forward. I don’t think even a good coach like Trotz is going to outrun this roster’s issues in year 2-3.