Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella
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FlyerNutter
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Still say I’d love to have a beer with that guy. He might be a poor coaching hire - especially for a time when development should be priority number one but he’d be a fun guy to have a smoke/drink with.
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The Cronies almost certainly see Tortorella as the guy who will terminate remaining offensive initiative and make the team as safe as possible.
Fletcher loves the Islanders and the other Cronies probably have a complex about 2012 LA after the big trades blew up on them.
Those are the styles they keep referencing and building towards
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I'd much rather have a beer with him than a martini with AV, I can tell you that much.
FlyerNutter
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I can see it from their point of view. A team that’s not loaded with talent, is going to struggle to do anything worth a damn playing high event hockey. Trying to turn games into a slow grind is how shitty clubs try to equalize the game. I strongly disagree, but can see the thinking behind the defensive obsession.
I’ve heard Lombardi’s name mentioned more so I do have to think that LA influence is there.
Mentioned a lot, but the primary issue is a continued refusal to commit to maximizing their chances at elite talent via the draft for a few years. If they aren’t going to do so - then Torts does make a bit of sense.
We are wasting time anyway for the next few years. I want them to have success even if it’s not my path. Let Ristolainen come down from the ceiling, and Torts turn Frost into Tommy DeVito. If the next few years will be futile, at least entertain me.
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The problem is that they don't want it loaded with talent. They've gone full Qanon/4chan levels of batshit bought-in on the notion that talent is an unstrustworthy and dishonest way to play. It's a thing that deserves to be punished by getting grinders and two-way players. They've taken the old school mindsets that were especially dominant in the 90s/00s and put them on bath salts.
Wasn't it rumored that Clarke is delighted that Tortorella will be hell for players? Clarke himself is likely the source with the way he spouts off lately. That's how they think: they want to inflict agony, not facilitate. No wonder they can't develop or maintain skills in anyone at any stage of their careers.
FlyerNutter
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I think they want the team to succeed, but this is what they know best. Rah rah attitudes, and that a belief of just out working your opponent will yield consistent results.
I do also believe there is an element here of trying to keep a Flyer “brand” alive after Comcast taking over.
Don’t agree with what they are doing, and find my angst nearly all toward Scott lately. There is a balance to be had between respecting the past, maybe ensuring legacies/egos aren’t hurt - while forging a modern identity to team building. Along with yes, removing incompetent men.
He hasn’t found any sort of balance, presents himself as a clueless moron every time he speaks, and there is much more to the job than just writing blank cheques.
He apparently intervened a little with this hiring agency, but he’s sat on the sidelines watching the team flounder for too long. At what point does he realize his advisors are leading him astray?
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I also don't think they understand exactly the kind of HC they're getting with Torts.
When Clarke hears Torts talking about playing "hard," he's thinking slobber knocker hits. Old fashioned Flyer hockey. Aggressive, dirty play, pushing the limits of the refs' patience.
What Torts seems to actually mean by playing hard is tenacious, non-stop pressure over 200 feet, aggressive forechecking by top 9 forwards and everyone back checks. But his teams don't take stupid penalties (good thing NAK is gone) or fight. And he has had no problem with players like Atkinson, who certainly isn't "physical." But he doesn't have much use for 4th line goons.
And I think Beef misunderstands as well, Torts is not about "safe" hockey, he's about disciplined hockey, he lets his defensemen free lance, but expects his forwards to read it and cycle back, he plays small skilled offensive players but expects them to skate hard on the back check (no cherry picking) and at least get their stick into passing lanes.
Panarin isn't exactly the poster child for big, physical, boring forwards, and he had no problem playing for Torts.
When Clarke hears Torts talking about playing "hard," he's thinking slobber knocker hits. Old fashioned Flyer hockey. Aggressive, dirty play, pushing the limits of the refs' patience.
What Torts seems to actually mean by playing hard is tenacious, non-stop pressure over 200 feet, aggressive forechecking by top 9 forwards and everyone back checks. But his teams don't take stupid penalties (good thing NAK is gone) or fight. And he has had no problem with players like Atkinson, who certainly isn't "physical." But he doesn't have much use for 4th line goons.
And I think Beef misunderstands as well, Torts is not about "safe" hockey, he's about disciplined hockey, he lets his defensemen free lance, but expects his forwards to read it and cycle back, he plays small skilled offensive players but expects them to skate hard on the back check (no cherry picking) and at least get their stick into passing lanes.
Panarin isn't exactly the poster child for big, physical, boring forwards, and he had no problem playing for Torts.
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FlyerNutter
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They know the public optics too. I’m sure Comcast, who has been a POS running this team by not intervening when clearly necessary - knows the current climate.
Fletcher openly coming out today about how the agency was such a great thing, how he wishes he’d have done it sooner in his career - and better late than never. It’s too well timed. Trying to convey a jovial FO. How hard they are trying to sell Torts as a guy that’s beloved by his former players.
They are trying to sell us on this plan, I strongly disagree with it but hopefully it works.
Fletcher openly coming out today about how the agency was such a great thing, how he wishes he’d have done it sooner in his career - and better late than never. It’s too well timed. Trying to convey a jovial FO. How hard they are trying to sell Torts as a guy that’s beloved by his former players.
They are trying to sell us on this plan, I strongly disagree with it but hopefully it works.
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Remember that time the Flyers hired an agency to help with the coaching search and two out of the three finalists were former clients of the guy who runs the agency?
I 'memba. It was a good one.
I 'memba. It was a good one.
Starat327
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Can't wait to quote this a year from now when you say Torts was a bad hire and see how you flip flopped.
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The Jeff Marek Show
Sportsnet insider Jeff Marek goes around the league in Sportsnet 590 The FAN’s national NHL show, airing live across the country daily from 12pm-2pm ET. Opinion, news and analysis featuring daily segments from insider Elliotte Friedman.
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June 20 2022
Jeff chats with John Tortorella about taking the Flyers’ head coaching job, his philosophy and the perception of his coaching style, as well as his thoughts on the Philadelphia fan base (00:15).
FlyerNutter
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Perhaps it will be a healthy way for you to funnel your angst away from Therrien.
Amorgus
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I don't think there's any way left to preserve positive legacies since they've allowed Clarke to go full Denethor. He's not giving up power without doing a flaming stage dive off Wells Fargo Center.
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They brought that up on STG. It reeks of conflict of interest.
I get that the pool of NHL coaches is small, and that everyone knows everyone else... but it's concerning that the organization that hired said recruiting firm doesn't even seem to care about a potential bias in what is undoubtedly Fletcher's last coaching hire.
Unless that's the outcome they wanted all along. In that case, nothing to see here.
Hollywood Cannon
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I have been trained in the arts of angst and anger by my brother, @Captain Dave Poulin. I have enough angst and anger to go around. My angst and anger levels haven't even begun to peak.
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It fits the Flyers modus operandi of taking care of their own so they probably loved the idea.
deadhead
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Torts is beloved by his former players, listen to Atkinson, MDZ, Hartnell even Dubois with whom he clashed.
You rarely hear former players talk about a HC with that kind of affection, from all reports he's an authentic good person who actually gives a damn about his players. And he's a pain to play for, but he doesn't go behind their backs to the media, he reams 'em out to their face.
The only two former players trashing him are Dubinsky and Bradberry (sic), the later a scrub who he benched. And Dubinsky was top 6 with Torts until he started breaking down and couldn't accept he was no longer a top player.
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I love on the RotK commentary where they tease PJ about how long Denethor had to run while being on fire to jump off the ledge.
The Legend of Torts grows with every new Deadhead post.
He’ll be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound by the end of the summer
He’ll be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound by the end of the summer
Hollywood Cannon
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Tale as old as time, song as old as rhyme.
Same shit happened with AV until he got canned and all the blame was put on him. It's the same thing that will happen when Fletcher is fired and the new guy comes in. It happened with Hak too.
It's lazy and played out at this point.
LegionOfDoom91
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Convinced it was just PR related. The Flyers had Tortorella high on their list to begin with & hired this firm knowing they would confirm their beliefs. They can point to this firm as how they ran this professional/progressive search just like the brag about how they spend all this money on analytics & trade/sign Ristolainen. It’s all window dressing in attempt to convince the public they’re actually a competent to update organization.
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