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Beef Invictus

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Once you sort through how many Rangers players they drafted, it's hard to say they didn't build through the draft.

Hell, they're arguably worse off now than they should be after freaking out over Wilson and shedding players in response. Maybe they wouldn't spend so much time getting caved at ES if they hadn't added goonslobs.
 

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The point is that the Flyers need to start with getting talent from the draft. THEN augment it slightly with FA and trades. Not go for the trades and FA first. Doing the trades and FA first will bleed you of the picks you need to get the players in the draft.

This is 101 team building, unfortunately, the average Philadephia sports fan doesn't understand this. .... and neither does each team's management team.
 

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If Torts can raise the game of a few of these guys, they're a couple top guys from being a top team.
You bring in a young 2C, a young RHD, maybe another fast LW, and that's enough.

And only the center really needs to be elite, if the other two are very good you'll have two solid top two lines and a bunch of guys that to build a top flight bottom six. And you can get very good guys in trades and later in the first/second round or even get lucky.

And players emerging can make other players expendable in trades, if Brink is a top 6 RW, if Foerster is a first rate sniper, If Andrae can play behind Sanheim and York . . .

The problem is getting the FO to stop with the "we're going to be competitive" mantra and shift to "we're going to build a great team" and use all those resources to do so.

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This is 101 team building, unfortunately, the average Philadephia sports fan doesn't understand this. .... and neither does each team's management team.
it's because you want to go back hextall's way of collecting picks and assets for another 10 years and pass up on talent that's on the block because it has to be from the draft.
 
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it's because you want to go back hextall's way of collecting picks and assets for another 10 years and pass up on talent that's on the block because it has to be from the draft.
Fun fact there is talent on the trade/FA market yearly. You need the base to make it worth getting though or else you spin in mediocrity.
 
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it's because you want to go back hextall's way of collecting picks and assets for another 10 years and pass up on talent that's on the block because it has to be from the draft.
If you just sign everyone you won’t have any cap space. Even an expansion team can’t do that. You have to draft and draft well and then develop. That will pay off and allow for a stronger and deeper team. Mackinnon makes less than Hayes for example. You put a boatload of picks in the hands of the right team they will be a dynasty or a contender.
 

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ignorance? explain the rangers, all their star players were from trades and they got lucky with kako and laf and their goalie. even kako and laf werent even a factor in the playoffs.
Rangers also had a lot of draft capitol and cap space, something we do not have, so yes, your short mindedness is a sign of ignorance, you're angry because people aren't seeing your point of view because it's not a good one, we all have different views, but we can't magically create value on players that nobody else values around the league, and with chuckles making trades he has never shown an ability to win trades, so how do you think we can pull of what the rangers did?
 
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Rangers also had a lot of draft capitol and cap space, something we do not have, so yes, your short mindedness is a sign of ignorance, you're angry because people aren't seeing your point of view because it's not a good one, we all have different views, but we can't magically create value on players that nobody else values around the league, and with chuckles making trades he has never shown an ability to win trades, so how do you think we can pull of what the rangers did?
Comcast's deep pockets like the Flyers used to do under Ed Snider.... oh wait there's a salary cap.... never mind
 

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Rangers also had a lot of draft capitol and cap space, something we do not have, so yes, your short mindedness is a sign of ignorance, you're angry because people aren't seeing your point of view because it's not a good one, we all have different views, but we can't magically create value on players that nobody else values around the league, and with chuckles making trades he has never shown an ability to win trades, so how do you think we can pull of what the rangers did?

Every summer that poster proves he has no idea how the cap works or value. It's literally a waste of typing at this point
 
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it's because you want to go back hextall's way of collecting picks and assets for another 10 years and pass up on talent that's on the block because it has to be from the draft.

Where did I specifically state that?

frankly, this comment is nonsense because it has nothing to do with my opinion.
 

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If you just sign everyone you won’t have any cap space. Even an expansion team can’t do that. You have to draft and draft well and then develop. That will pay off and allow for a stronger and deeper team. Mackinnon makes less than Hayes for example. You put a boatload of picks in the hands of the right team they will be a dynasty or a contender.

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The Flyers will have cap space.

The question is how they decide to use it.

One of the top tier UFAs, or two of the B-level UFAs?
 

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blues, bruins, kings, ducks, hurricanes in 06 and none of them tanked either.

Yeah, all of them are chock full of drafted players. The Kings tanked for Doughty. The Ducks and Canes won before as holdouts from precap methods that would soon become impossible, and did so filled with players they drafted.

You don't know what you're talking about.
 

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FAs almost always drain resources, b/c the top ones are paid for past, not future, production.
So JG will get paid as if 115 points is his norm, not a career outlier.
When he regresses to his norm, and then start to decline after 30, his salary will exceed his value.

This is why you should use FA only for veterans whose value to the team exceeds their "raw" value, i.e. the missing piece to a young team with cap room b/c they have a lot of players on ELCs and bridge RFA deals, and a veteran can put them over the top.

Trying to build a team with FAs is a fool's errand, b/c they'll eat your cap, make it hard to extend your young players, and saddle you with declining production in their out years.

The worst move they can make this summer is to waste assets creating cap room to bring in older FAs, no FA can make them a Cup contender, but this will ensure they're worse in 2-3 years. This isn't a team that you gamble on a short term push.

It wasn't necessarily the wrong strategy in the summer of 2019, b/c they were facing a limited shelf life with Giroux and Voracek, either go for it or blow it up - so they went for it and it might have worked if not for COVID. But like the Pronger move, once things don't work out, you have to accept it and move on - Holmgren almost did with the Richards/Carter trades - then blew the opportunity for a quick rebuild. Same in 2021, they doubled down on AV instead of moving forward.

Doubling down on Torts makes no sense, he has a strong track record of developing young players, let him build a team from ground up and in 2-3 years and a couple more high picks you may have a team that can make a real push.
 

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The Flyers will have cap space.

The question is how they decide to use it.

One of the top tier UFAs, or two of the B-level UFAs?
That's what I worry about more than anything, ok we trade jvr etc let's say we get around 10 million in space (round number) the problem I see more so than money itself is the term of contracts, term of contracts are often times way worse than the cap hit

Hey guys, I'm very unfamiliar with this page as a "source" but IB the gambler on Twitter saying "sources say several teams are calling the flyers and have high interest in acquiring Travis Konecny" is that reliable at all? I've never heard of them, but teams would be smart to take a player away from the flyers because they'll win the trade and not give up much
 
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