Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella
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The Flyers have been a playoff participation trophy player for 20 years now. Band aid here. Veteran retreat there at the deadline. 3 time fired vet coach hired. 35+ year old past their prime player for the sprinkles on top. Trade picks for that vet d-man and 4 years later wonder why our farm system is hot garbage. And if you have Lindros, Crosby, Mckinnon, McDavid in their prime on your roster, I get why you do that strategy. This team? There is not one top 75 nhl player on this roster. You will go absolutely no where until you acquire someone that is an elite talent.
As long as Clarke, Homer, Fletcher are in this organization, the Flyers are doomed to being the 14-30th best team in the league. At best next four years you can hope for is Hart and/or Fedotov play out of their minds and bounced round 1.
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deadhead
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You wouldn't go to war with this lineup in a year or two?Imagine thinking the Flyers are a young #2C, a young RHD and a fast LW away from being a top team.
Dead logic right there!
Farabee - Couts - TK
LW TBN - C TBN - Brink/Foerster
Cates - Frost - Tippett/Allison
Laughton - Desnoyers - Wisdom
Lindblom, Lycksell, Laczynski
Provorov - RHD TBN
Sanheim - Attard
York - Risto
Andrae, Zamula
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Entirely Palatable Product
Reminds me of Pickett's Charge.
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Every team has made some trades and free agent signings, let's not be stupid man, but they all built around the players they drafted, something this franchise continues to fail to do, most recently with giroux, nobody is saying don't make any trades or free agent signings, we are saying do so SMARTLY, you're really going out of your way to show your ignorance
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How many picks did you pay to get out of the Hayes contract? That would be either 7.14/1 or 14.28/2. Not going to be cheap.
Add that to the expected JVR cost and you’d better be damn good because you don’t have many high picks coming.
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That’s asking too much.
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JVR shouldn't require picks, just retained money or a bad contract the other way - if he were a UFA, he'd garner $5M on a one year or $8M or so on a two year deal (check last summer's UFA deals).
Same with Hayes, with 2 years left, unless he falls apart, he wouldn't be that hard to move, teams will overpay on a short-term deal to fill a need, they just don't want to be saddled with 4-5 years of an overpay.
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4 year of Hayes at 7.1m when by year 4 he will be slower than JVR is today.
What team in their right mind would take Hayes without 2 1's?
JVR maybe at half retained you get out of the deal. But watch Colorado speed and you realize JVR is more outdated than a dinosaur in Carnosaur 3.
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JVR shouldn't require picks, just retained money or a bad contract the other way - if he were a UFA, he'd garner $5M on a one year or $8M or so on a two year deal (check last summer's UFA deals).
Same with Hayes, with 2 years left, unless he falls apart, he wouldn't be that hard to move, teams will overpay on a short-term deal to fill a need, they just don't want to be saddled with 4-5 years of an overpay.
Hayes isn't going anywhere this year, maybe not next year.
And he skated just fine in April, people are making silly projections on a guy skating 50% with a serious groin injury.
He's no speedster, but at 100% he isn't slow, some hot takes here.
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Hayes has 4 years left
last 2 years only 5.25 per in actual cash.
So unless we are inviting Tanya Harding to Keven Hayes's place he ain't moving.
Unless u r saying move hayes in 24 and I missed it along the way.
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Wasn't the story that they refuse to retain or take a contract back? Basically the same reason they paid to dump Gostisbehere.
ignorance? explain the rangers, all their star players were from trades and they got lucky with kako and laf and their goalie. even kako and laf werent even a factor in the playoffs.
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I'm trying think logically here......
- Couts will be 32 and never was a good skater to begin with. I doubt he will be a #1C, but they will be paying him like one
- no Hayes? How are they getting rid of that contract?
- Assuming Ellis is a wasted $6+MM. I guess he is LTIRed, which is actually good because hopefully it prevents them from doing anything stupid
- Risto on 3rd pairing at $5+MM. That actually is very Flyer-esque - pay people as if they were a line or two better than what they are
- I doubt they will be able to afford to re-sign Sanheim
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It would be nice to have this front office make a move where, "I'll wait and see," isn't the best reaction we can hope to have.
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Their star players are not all from trades.
Who exactly do you think their star players are?
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There are two kinds of trades that make sense:
1) low cost trades for 25 and under with upside
2) our guy for your guy, trades of veterans for better fit, chemistry, to address a hole with a veteran who's expendable b/c a young player is there to replace him
The trades that kill franchises:
1) young assets for 30 year old veterans who are overpaid relative to future production
2) TDL trades of high draft picks unless you're TB and trading #30-32 and are great at drafting in the 2nd to 4th rounds.
The later trades are BAU for teams in "win now" mode, which is why the bulk of NHL teams are mired in mediocrity, as soon as they become good enough to make the playoffs, owners put pressure on GMs to go deep into the playoffs, leading to trades that bleed assets. It takes a disciplined owner to say "we're good, but not good enough" and continue to build.
1) low cost trades for 25 and under with upside
2) our guy for your guy, trades of veterans for better fit, chemistry, to address a hole with a veteran who's expendable b/c a young player is there to replace him
The trades that kill franchises:
1) young assets for 30 year old veterans who are overpaid relative to future production
2) TDL trades of high draft picks unless you're TB and trading #30-32 and are great at drafting in the 2nd to 4th rounds.
The later trades are BAU for teams in "win now" mode, which is why the bulk of NHL teams are mired in mediocrity, as soon as they become good enough to make the playoffs, owners put pressure on GMs to go deep into the playoffs, leading to trades that bleed assets. It takes a disciplined owner to say "we're good, but not good enough" and continue to build.
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Zibanejad & Fox I think is likely who they're referring to (and Panarin if you count him as a UFA signing).
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Not that I agree with the poster whatsoever about creating a team from trades, NYR is an anomaly
Their only drafted effective players are Miller, Kreider and Shesterkin. The rest are thru draft and trade
What that poster fails to realize is that the city built that team even more than the organization. Fox and Trouba both chose to be in that city. Panarin likely for the same reason
The Flyers and virtually most NHL teams don't exactly have a bunch of players willing to F over their own draft teams just to play there. Thinking the Flyers could apply the same model without paying thru the nose or running out of cap is foolish
why does it matter where you to get the talent? that's what i dont understand, all teams get talent in different ways and they win cups, for some reason you just want it from the draft and not from trades and fas. you are not going to win cups this way.
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The reason you typed this is the same reason you just don't get it
BrindamoursNose
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I do agree with this generally, but that's where NYR has kind of an unfair advantage over everyone else. New York, in nearly all sports, is a top destination for UFAs typically. So even when we were a destination, I think NYR was more of one just by being New York. But that's not why it's an issue of course.
The point is that the Flyers need to start with getting talent from the draft. THEN augment it slightly with FA and trades. Not go for the trades and FA first. Doing the trades and FA first will bleed you of the picks you need to get the players in the draft.
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