Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[freakydallas13]

So did Hextall as he sold off Coburn, Kimmo and anyone one else who wasn't tied down.
Fletcher already said it's not going to take 5 years, which sure leaves a lot of room.

Kimmo? The player playing his last season before retirement on a roster that wasn't making the playoffs, who was traded at the deadline? You're using that as an example of Hextall rebuilding when he said he was going to try and compete?

What is your assertion here, that Chuck is publicly saying the team is going all in, but really he's rebuilding secretly? Because if so, that's incredibly dumb and you just have to look at him trading for, and signing Risto to see that.

 

[Striiker]

Kimmo? The player playing his last season before retirement on a roster that wasn't making the playoffs, who was traded at the deadline? You're using that as an example of Hextall rebuilding when he said he was going to try and compete?

What is your assertion here, that Chuck is publicly saying the team is going all in, but really he's rebuilding secretly? Because if so, that's incredibly dumb and you just have to look at him trading for, and signing Risto to see that.

Don't forget that Timonen hadn't played a single game all year long because of blood clots and he made it clear he was retiring after that season no matter what.

 

[Adam Warlock]

This just prolongs our pain. Yes, Chuck is absolutely building a team of middle (bottom?) 6 try hards right now. There's no path to a championship in that. We have to bottom out. We have to change our direction as an organization and catch up to where the league is at. Trotz doesn't accomplish that. If there's one guy out there who could eek them into the playoffs, it's him. I want so much more than eeking into the playoffs.

We are bottoming out. We had the worst season in franchise history and are only picking 5th and will prob land a second liner. You really think thats the path to success?

Idc how many good prospects you have...if your team is a loser those guys dont develop. If Trotz makes us a 2nd round ceiling team but a few guys like Farabee, TK, Sanheim, Provy, York, Tippett, Cates, and most importantly Hart, all take steps forward...its a win in my book. Id rather see the 22-25 year olds we have get better than have the team suck again to hang our hopes on a couple of 18 year olds.

 

[deadhead]

Kimmo? The player playing his last season before retirement on a roster that wasn't making the playoffs, who was traded at the deadline? You're using that as an example of Hextall rebuilding when he said he was going to try and compete?

What is your assertion here, that Chuck is publicly saying the team is going all in, but really he's rebuilding secretly? Because if so, that's incredibly dumb and you just have to look at him trading for, and signing Risto to see that.

Fletcher has said repeatedly they need to add top talents under 25.

When asked about the plans for next year, he said they're not going to do a 5 or 10 year rebuild, that they want to compete but also build for the future - almost word for word what Hextall said when he took over. "Rebuild" is the love that dare not speak its name in Flyer land.

We'll find out, but as I've said all along, starting with the press conference where Fletcher and Scott talked past each other, that Fletcher had been pushing for a longer term vision while others were still pushing a "win now" agenda. I think the team bottoming out, and the AV fiasco, has strengthened Fletcher's hand. It's obvious that they're not one or two players away from competing.

Eventually there will be leaks, but I think Fletcher wanted to trade Risto at the TDL and was overruled, he low balled Risto and was talking about trading him - a couple days later Risto was resigned.

We'll see in the next few decisions, the HC hire, the offseason moves.

 

[mja]

We are bottoming out. We had the worst season in franchise history and are only picking 5th and will prob land a second liner. You really think thats the path to success?

Idc how many good prospects you have...if your team is a loser those guys dont develop. If Trotz makes us a 2nd round ceiling team but a few guys like Farabee, TK, Sanheim, Provy, York, Tippett, Cates, and most importantly Hart, all take steps forward...its a win in my book. Id rather see the 22-25 year olds we have get better than have the team suck again to hang our hopes on a couple of 18 year olds.

I hate to break it to you, but we are only just starting to bottom out. And it's exactly my point that having the worst season in franchise history but effectively having nothing to show is not a path to success. Look at the roster, there's no one we can really build around in the system, no elite level talent, and it doesn't appear that there's going to be one for a while. We're going to be bad. We can be bad and stock up on draft picks and cap space so that we can do real damage later, or we can try to be mediocre and piss away another ten years. Those are the paths before us.

 

[ajgoal]

I hate to break it to you, but we are only just starting to bottom out. And it's exactly my point that having the worst season in franchise history but effectively having nothing to show is not a path to success. Look at the roster, there's no one we can really build around in the system, no elite level talent, and it doesn't appear that there's going to be one for a while. We're going to be bad. We can be bad and stock up on draft picks and cap space so that we can do real damage later, or we can try to be mediocre and piss away another ten years. Those are the paths before us.

You forgot that they can aggressively retool and be Cup contenders next year. That's a real option that's open to them.

I swear, some people.

 

[Magua]

Chuck Fletcher said he’s going to get elite under 25 talents. A wave of the hands. It’s that easy.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Believe what Fletcher says when it benefits the narrative to protect him at all costs and then say that Holmgren/Hextall/AV made him do it when he says things that make him look bad (aka who he really is).

Beautiful.

 

[mja]

Chuck Fletcher said he’s going to get elite under 25 talents. A wave of the hands. It’s that easy.

I can't even begin to take deady seriously on that. The hardest thing in this league to get is young elite talent. You either draft it early or luck out later in the draft.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Chuck Fletcher said he’s going to get elite under 25 talents. A wave of the hands. It’s that easy.

Meanwhile he is throwing away draft picks to get rid of good defenseman and acquire bad ones.
Good luck with that Chuck. Moron

 

[Lindberg]

Believe what Fletcher says when it benefits the narrative to protect him at all costs and then say that Holmgren/Hextall/AV made him do it when he says things that make him look bad (aka who he really is).

Beautiful.

Fletcher could sell deadhead gold painted rocks and he'd buy it. He's a Hard-on errr... Harvard educated man.

 

[Magua]

luck out later in the draft

By golly that’s Chuck’s music!

 

[Beef Invictus]

Chuck Fletcher said he’s going to get elite under 25 talents. A wave of the hands. It’s that easy.

Something tells me the crew that pretty much skipped out on a draft because it would be more effort than usual to scout isn't going to be effortlessly identifying and bringing in this elite wave. Something tells me they're going to take the dumbest, laziest path always.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I think Trotz could possibly get them into the playoffs next year assuming Couturier & Ellis bounce back but at the end of the day that’s essentially their ceiling. As good of a coach Trotz is he’s not going outweigh a roster that’s getting less talented, older, & more expensive with each passing year. This organization is so incompetent & oblivious to their issues that they would take the Flyers just getting into the playoffs next year as a all is well moment & we’re trending up mentality when it would just be a band aid on gun shot wound.

I’m not even talking about bottoming out or not. We’re not winning anything with guys like Clarke, Homer, Lombardi, Fletcher, etc. maintaining influence in this organization. A crash & burn is the only way someone in Comcast is going to realize they were sold a bill of false goods with these guys unfortunately.

It sucks you have to root against your favorite sport team like this but it’s just the reality of the situation. I wish it wasn’t as I’d like to enjoy some legitimately good & sustainable hockey but that’s not happening with this front office in power.

 

[freakydallas13]

Fletcher has said repeatedly they need to add top talents under 25.

When asked about the plans for next year, he said they're not going to do a 5 or 10 year rebuild, that they want to compete but also build for the future - almost word for word what Hextall said when he took over. "Rebuild" is the love that dare not speak its name in Flyer land.

We'll find out, but as I've said all along, starting with the press conference where Fletcher and Scott talked past each other, that Fletcher had been pushing for a longer term vision while others were still pushing a "win now" agenda. I think the team bottoming out, and the AV fiasco, has strengthened Fletcher's hand. It's obvious that they're not one or two players away from competing.

Eventually there will be leaks, but I think Fletcher wanted to trade Risto at the TDL and was overruled, he low balled Risto and was talking about trading him - a couple days later Risto was resigned.

We'll see in the next few decisions, the HC hire, the offseason moves.

Great, they said they are doing the same thing. Fantastic. Chalk it up.

Their actions are entirely different. One accumulated draft picks, and the other gave them away like they were burning a hole in his pocket.

Talk is cheap. Chuck can say whatever the f*** he wants, it doesn't mean that is what his actions continue to show.

Don't bother replying, you will give the most generous interpretation of Chuck's tenure no matter the argument, so we're both wasting our time here. Nothing will change your mind.

 

[deadhead]

The roster is getting a lot younger, they just discarded G (34), Brassard (34), Braun (34) at the TDL. Jones (32), Yandle (35), Connauton (31), Thopson (37) are FAs and won't be back. JVR (32) is likely to be traded, and I think Atkinson (32) may be on the block.

That leaves Couts (30) next season, Hayes (30), Ellis (32), Risto (28), Laughton (28) as the oldest players on the roster, as Seeler (29) and Brown (30) are likely to be in LHV if they're on the 50 man contract list.

Age is not an issue, the lack of young stars is, as Fletcher pointed out. The only way to add to that group is to draft high, or trade value for value (Provorov for a young center, for example). Fletcher knows that, so his statement was an implicit admission that they need to reload for a few seasons to garner those young talents.

 

[Striiker]

We are bottoming out. We had the worst season in franchise history and are only picking 5th and will prob land a second liner. You really think thats the path to success?

Idc how many good prospects you have...if your team is a loser those guys dont develop. If Trotz makes us a 2nd round ceiling team but a few guys like Farabee, TK, Sanheim, Provy, York, Tippett, Cates, and most importantly Hart, all take steps forward...its a win in my book. Id rather see the 22-25 year olds we have get better than have the team suck again to hang our hopes on a couple of 18 year olds.

Going to the 2nd round wouldn't make players take steps forward

We need to draft better players because what we have isn't good enough. Making the playoffs would only give fools hope and prevent the team from improving.

 

[flyersnorth]

Eventually there will be leaks, but I think Fletcher wanted to trade Risto at the TDL and was overruled, he low balled Risto and was talking about trading him - a couple days later Risto was resigned.

In the absence of information, any scenario is possible.

But, c’mon. You think Fletch, who openly coveted Risto for longer than he has been with the Flyers, and traded a 1st, a 2nd, and Hagg, and opened cap space to fit him by giving away a top 4 defenseman, another 2nd, and a 7th … just decided, nah, I want to trade him?

 

[BlackandOrange]

What if we hired Bruce Trotz... unless people prefer Barry Boudreau? Co-coaches would be nuts.

 

[Striiker]

How about we find someone without grey hair

 

[Lindberg]

How about we find someone without grey hair

Piss off.. I have grey hair in my beard at 35.

 

[Striiker]

Piss off.. I have grey hair in my beard at 35.

That makes sense, since you liked that Atkinson trade...

 

[Lindberg]

That makes sense, since you liked that Atkinson trade...

I'm still fine with it but I wanna blow this team apart.

 

[Striiker]

I'm still fine with it

That's why your beard is grey...

 

[deadhead]

In the absence of information, any scenario is possible.

But, c’mon. You think Fletch, who openly coveted Risto for longer than he has been with the Flyers, and traded a 1st, a 2nd, and Hagg, and opened cap space to fit him by giving away a top 4 defenseman, another 2nd, and a 7th … just decided, nah, I want to trade him?

O'Conner: “The key people in the front office obviously liked Ristolainen from the start. But my understanding of part of why they wanted to re-sign him so badly is because they felt like his physical style was needed for the Flyers. That whole “Flyers should be hard to play against” thing.”

Friedman: “There was a report out there that Ristolainen turned down 6×6.35 or something like that, I don’t think that’s correct in this particular case. I think the offer was somewhere between 4-4.75.”

Flyers GM Fletcher on the trade deadline: “We’re looking to aggressively retool here. Everything is on the table.”