The New and really Improved , Kyle Dubas Discussion Thread

[Apex Predator]

Everything in baseball is driven by statistics. Everything in hockey is based on heart, desire and teamwork.

I think baseball is different since its situation is based on an individual. Batter vs pitcher. 1 vs 1.

In hockey there is so much going on. It’s not as simple as 1 vs 1. You need to use teammates to help you. This is why advanced stats don’t translate over like baseball.

 

[Apex Predator]

I still think Dubas is probably better than whoever MLSE would replace him with.

But I'll never get the Jared McCann thing. Another point tonight. It's insane to me they prioritized our depth over him.

yup I’m pretty sure I had a lot of people block me because I thought the move was wrong. Voice an opinion here that is anti Dubas and you’re considered stupid and a hater.

 

[hockeyes]

Dubas is in over his head and never should have been handed the keys to the kingdom. The fact that this organization has pissed away one of the greatest 1st overall picks any team could dream of, is beyond any words. This situation is turning into one worse than Edmonton by the minute. I expected failure but I got disaster. RIP Leafs being half ass, we hardly knew you but we will miss you.

 

[Byron Bitz]

So which GM’s are the best candidates to be his replacement?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Leafs realizing they are the same team as last year.

 

[leafsfan5]

Why wait for the season to end

I’m guessing they’ll give him the year to see if the playoffs are any different. When we inevitably lose (or don’t even make it) they’ll fire him and the re-tool can begin

I honestly like Dubas, I think he did some good stuff in Toronto (particularly the D-core retool). But, he tied himself to the core, and that core has failed miserably. For that he loses his job

 

[DarkKnight]

 

[forecheck]

This experiment should have been over after last year .... What is MLSE waiting for ?

 

[Pi]

That’s funny.

But funnier, watch what happens if you even suggest they have a decision to make with 34 within the next 2 years.

Matthews is definitely gone and honestly I could not care less. This whole core is rotten to the core. I don’t enjoy watching them because games like last night aren’t too far around any corner even after dominating games.

I have more fond memories of the shitty teams Burke built. At least you knew they were in tough to make the playoffs. You knew they had no real shot to win against Boston but still managed to take them to 7 games.

This team acts like a contender but we all know when the time comes they will choke against anyone and everyone in this league.

I want a fresh start. This year should be the core’s last year together. Just keep Nylander around. He seems to be the only one really trying most nights. Oh and I can’t forget Spezza. Give him 10M if he wants while we rebuild as he’s got more integrity than the rest of the superstars combined.

 

[All Mod Cons]

He's done after this season

It's just hard to accept that we have to waste another full season before we can fix this.

 

[All Mod Cons]

So which GM’s are the best candidates to be his replacement?

You. Mess. Polaris. 300 other posters. My mum. Ted Lasso. A potato. Auto-draft.

Take your pick.

 

[17 Clark]

View attachment 473641
Leafs realizing they are the same team as last year.

Funny thing is people dumped on Joe Thorton do you remember his comment the team is toxic even players are saying that

 

[hotpaws]

Dubas pulled a Burke which is to say he f***ed himself right from the get go by making a terminal mistake which had long term consequences and doomed his tenure to failure .

Burke traded two firsts when he should have been rebuilding and had to try to race against time to do a reverse draft rebuild before he was turfed .

Dubas blew his cap brains out by signing JT when we didn't need a C and left himself without adequate cap space to fill the roster with quality pieces around an extremely promising young core .

it's truly remarkable how incompetent Dubas is by f***ing the situation he walked into

 

[redgrant]

I think baseball is different since its situation is based on an individual. Batter vs pitcher. 1 vs 1.

In hockey there is so much going on. It’s not as simple as 1 vs 1. You need to use teammates to help you. This is why advanced stats don’t translate over like baseball.

This is absolutely the case. An even better example is cricket where you can change the "pitcher" (called a bowler) based on the the batsman at the crease. There are tons of stats on ok I've got a left handed batsman let me put out a slow left handed bowler because he struggles against them with stats.

The other 9 batsmen sitting on the bench have no impact.

Hockey is totally different where you have 5 opposing team players on the ice and an unlimited amount of possibilities.

 

[redgrant]

Dubas pulled a Burke which is to say he f***ed himself right from the get go by making a terminal mistake which would have long term consequences and doom his tenure to failure .

Burke traded two firsts when he should have been rebuilding and had to try to race against time to do a reverse draft rebuild before he was turfed .

Dubas blew his cap brains out by signing JT when we didn't need a C and left himself without adequate cap space to fill the roster with quality pieces around an extremely promising young core .

it's truly remarkable how incompetent Dubas is by f***ing the situation he walked into

The most bizarre thing is there is nothing wrong with getting a guy like Tavares at the right time.

He's the LAST guy in the core thst should be signed if you're making it to the conference finals and you're trying to put your team over the edge and they needed a little more offense. Lol instead dubas the genius signs him first to a massive contract with no idea how things could play out

 

[All Mod Cons]

Dubas pulled a Burke which is to say he f***ed himself right from the get go by making a terminal mistake which would have long term consequences and doom his tenure to failure .

Burke traded two firsts when he should have been rebuilding and had to try to race against time to do a reverse draft rebuild before he was turfed .

Dubas blew his cap brains out by signing JT when we didn't need a C and left himself without adequate cap space to fill the roster with quality pieces around an extremely promising young core .

it's truly remarkable how incompetent Dubas is by f***ing the situation he walked into

Dubas is more stubborn than Burke and Babcock combined. And that's one of his biggest weaknesses

 

[hotpaws]

The most bizarre thing is there is nothing wrong with getting a guy like Tavares at the right time.

He's the LAST guy in the core thst should be signed if you're making it to the conference finals and you're trying to put your team over the edge and they needed a little more offense. Lol instead dubas the genius signs him first to a massive contract with no idea how things could play out

your right , timing is everything as well as filling a need

the worst part is he's left the next GM a shit show to deal with and it'll take a small miracle to turn this team into a serious cup contender

 

[hotpaws]

Dubas is more stubborn than Burke and Babcock combined. And that's one of his biggest weaknesses

i don't know if it's being stubborn as much as it is he's backed himself into a corner and doesn't know how to get out and that's why he keeps going on and on about believing in the core like that's some excuse for his failure

 

[Stigma]

My issue with Dubas is a bit of an issue I have with the larger society: discarding the wisdom of old(er) people. Dubas was shadowing Lou. Yeah, Dubas said all the right things about how much he learned and stuff, but what did he do immediately after Lou left? Pretty much the opposite of everything he was taught. I'm exaggerating a bit, but he definitely did not follow Lou's protocol. Also, I'm not a fan of Babs, but Dubas went against him too and got players that Babs didn't want. Now Dubas is learning the hard way,

In other countries people respect the wisdom that comes with living on the planet for a long time. Not here.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I still think Dubas is probably better than whoever MLSE would replace him with.

But I'll never get the Jared McCann thing. Another point tonight. It's insane to me they prioritized our depth over him.

We gave up Hollander for the privilege of keeping Kerfoot and Holl. Another fine Dubas trade.

 

[Dave92]

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of naming Justin Bieber President/GM. At least then we'd keep Matthews.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of naming Justin Bieber President/GM. At least then we'd keep Matthews.

Matthews is gonezo 100%

 

[hotpaws]

Matthews is gonezo 100%

can't blame him , i wouldn't want to be around that fake f***ing poser Dubas and his incompetent sidekick Keefe

 

[Pookie]

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of naming Justin Bieber President/GM. At least then we'd keep Matthews.

How warm is Matthews to the idea of sticking around?

Does he seem like the kind of guy who says “follow me boys, we are going to turn this around and the Cup is ours?”

 

[Byron Bitz]

Another big Dubas failure that no one talks about is his failure to bring up a promising young goaltending prospect. The amount of good young goaltenders we’ve passed on in the draft in recent years is astounding. It’s such a joke that Hutchinson is in our line up right now