The New and Improved , Kyle Dubas Discussion Thread

[makbeer]

Andersen's SV% has not been good over the past couple years. He has deteriorated heavily. That is relevant to a discussion about what was inherited. Dubas may have inherited Andersen, but he didn't inherit a 2016-2018 level of play from Andersen, and that obviously has an impact.

Jury is out on Dubas + goaltending. We have to see how this season goes. It is a gamble for sure with Campbell and Mrazek.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Jury is out on Dubas + goaltending. We have to see how this season goes. It is a gamble for sure with Campbell and Mrazek.

Mrazek and Campbell are both guys that can play behind good defenses though so as long as they play to their career averages they'll be insulated well.

Our defense was great last year and could be even better if Liljegren and/or Sandin take a step.

 

[Stonehands1990]

The point is GMs are given more than 4 years, especially when they are putting out good teams and making the playoffs every year. Your example of a GM who held his role for 9 years is not evidence otherwise.

Average GM tenure is 5.5 years and most of those guys did rebuilds. They didn’t inherit a team that set its franchise record for pts in a season and then turn it from a Ferrari to a Hyundai.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Average GM tenure is 5.5 years and most of those guys did rebuilds. They didn’t inherit a team that set its franchise record for pts in a season and then turn it from a Ferrari to a Hyundai.

It is still humming a long. That franchise setting team didn't win the division and was also eliminated in the first round. The 20-21 team was the first Leaf team to win their division in 21 years. It also has the same engine as the franchise setting team. However, they haven't won in the playoffs yet.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It is still humming a long. That franchise setting team didn't win the division and was also eliminated in the first round. The 20-21 team was the first Leaf team to win their division in 21 years. It also has the same engine as the franchise setting team. However, they haven't won in the playoffs yet.

I don't care much about winning the division one way other. That said, let's not pretend there's not a huge asterix next to that division title. Other than us, there wasn't one top 10 team in the division so it would have been an enormous failure to not win it. Also, much more important than winning the division is winning it in the playoffs, we failed to do that and that absolutely was an enormous failure.

 

[zeke]

Tell that to Lou Lam ...

Inherited a team that finished dead last and improved it by +26 points and made the playoffs the following year after the team had missed 9 of the last 10 years and in his 3rd season after delivering a franchise best 105 point 6 overall finish and playoff birth again he was mysteriously replaced.

Yep.

Lou inherited the best group of ELC talent in the league, and completely wasted it.

Kyle inherited a team with no impact ELC talent at all - he inherited a group of elite talent that needed to be paid.

Lou had a far more advantageous situation.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I don't care much about winning the division one way other. That said, let's not pretend there's not a huge asterix next to that division title. Other than us, there wasn't one top 10 team in the division so it would have been an enormous failure to not win it. Also, much more important than winning the division is winning it in the playoffs, we failed to do that and that absolutely was an enormous failure.

The only asterisk is the one you are making up. The North division produced the Hart winner, the Richard winner, two first team all stars ( only the the Atlantic had the same) it also had a Stanley Cup finalist and the only match up between a North team and another division- the 2nd place team in the NHL, the team from the North won handily. However, we didn't win in the playoffs.

 

[zeke]

Players that Lou inherited

* = ELC

Hyman* --- Matthews* --- Marner*
VanRiemsdyk -- Kadri - Nylander*
Parenteau -- Bozak --- Brown*
Komarov* -- Winnik --
Johnsson* -- Verhaeghe* -- Kapanen*
(Engvall* -- Gauthier* -- Leivo*)

Rielly* --- Gardiner
Hunwick - Polak
Dermott* - Holl*
(Marincin - Harrington*)

Reimer
Bernier

Plus one bad contract in Phaneuf.



players Lou added:

Marleau -- Moore - Martin
Grabner-- Boyle/Pleks - Boyes
Grundstrom* - Brooks*

Hainsey -- Zaitsev
Carrick -- Liljegren*

Andersen
McElhinney

 

[Blowfish]

 

[hotpaws]

The only asterisk is the one you are making up. The North division produced the Hart winner, the Richard winner, two first team all stars ( only the the Atlantic had the same) it also had a Stanley Cup finalist and the only match up between a North team and another division- the 2nd place team in the NHL, the team from the North won handily. However, we didn't win in the playoffs.

so i'm guessing your expecting us to win our division this year as well ?

 

[Gary Nylund]

The only asterisk is the one you are making up. The North division produced the Hart winner, the Richard winner, two first team all stars ( only the the Atlantic had the same) it also had a Stanley Cup finalist and the only match up between a North team and another division- the 2nd place team in the NHL, the team from the North won handily. However, we didn't win in the playoffs.

A division that was thrown together because of covid and existed for only that one shortened season. Based on previous years standings, the top two teams were EDM and TOR who were 12th and 14th overall respectively. If you think winning this division is meaningful then congrats I guess, be happy. Call you friends over and have a big celebration when they raise that banner.

 

[notbias]

Tell that to Lou Lam ...

Inherited a team that finished dead last and improved it by +26 points and made the playoffs the following year after the team had missed 9 of the last 10 years and in his 3rd season after delivering a franchise best 105 point 6 overall finish and playoff birth again he was mysteriously replaced.

Regular season matters now

Always hilarious when someone rips on Dubas for lack of playoff success then praises Sakic...

 

[Leaf Fans]

A division that was thrown together because of covid and existed for only that one shortened season. Based on previous years standings, the top two teams were EDM and TOR who were 12th and 14th overall respectively. If you think winning this division is meaningful then congrats I guess, be happy. Call you friends over and have a big celebration when they raise that banner.

They won the division. That is fact regardless on how much you want cry and moan.

 

[Leaf Fans]

so i'm guessing your expecting us to win our division this year as well ?

I am expecting the Leafs to be in the conversation.

 

[egd27]

You won't find an exact comparison as there aren't many teams which have had expectations as high as the leafs that have constantly choked and underperformed when the games that matter begin.

That is what is being counted on.

 

[Seras]

Switch rosters and I'm sure Dvorak would have better numbers.
Not really a fair comparison, IMO.

That's the best part of excuses, you can always make one.

 

[Gary Nylund]

They won the division. That is fact regardless on how much you want cry and moan.

I never said they didn't win, what I said was that I didn't care one way or the other about divisional titles. The asterix is there though, everyone knows it and the only one crying and moaning about it is you.

Nobody cares about divisional titles. Ask yourself why this is so important to you. Is it because you're desperate to have some success to celebrate?

 

[ULF_55]

Regular season matters now



Always hilarious when someone rips on Dubas for lack of playoff success then praises Sakic...

Who built Tampa?

 

[All Mod Cons]

Looks pretty accurate. Dubas is too good to be on the list.

 

[ULF_55]

I never said they didn't win, what I said was that I didn't care one way or the other about divisional titles. The asterix is there though, everyone knows it and the only one crying and moaning about it is you.

Nobody cares about divisional titles. Ask yourself why this is so important to you. Is it because you're desperate to have some success to celebrate?

Yeah, it is about the Cup. Losing in the playoffs is losing in the playoffs.

Some teams just enjoy disappointing their fans from a higher spot ... losing in the finals has to be feel worse than crapping out after 7 games in the 1st.

 

[All Mod Cons]

They won the division. That is fact regardless on how much you want cry and moan.

Dubas fan club and facts. Lolz....

Isn't that why expected this and that was created?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Dubas fan club and facts. Lolz....

Isn't that why expected this and that was created?

Sorry, you are creating a Dubas fan club? Or is there one already? You have a problem with facts? I am not sure why you are quoting me.

 

[sparxx87]

Yeah, it is about the Cup. Losing in the playoffs is losing in the playoffs.

Some teams just enjoy disappointing their fans from a higher spot ... losing in the finals has to be feel worse than crapping out after 7 games in the 1st.

I don’t think so. At least if you’ve beaten 3 opponents you know there’s something there. It’s not all lost and there’s reason for optimism that with improvement they could get over the final hurdle.

The series’ get harder and harder so when you can’t get past level 1, it’s hard to envision a scenario where they’d suddenly beat level one and then run the table. Most good teams make some sort of in roads in the years prior. Nobody ever goes from missing the playoffs or losing in the first round over and over to suddenly winning it all. It just doesn’t happen like that.

 

[notbias]

Who built Tampa?

No one that I listed?

 

[Bomber0104]

Don't worry folks, I'm sure Dubas' internal data shows that Kyle Dubas should actually be #1 on that list.