The Never Too Early 2021 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[SeaOfBlue]

how many minutes is there to the result of whom winning the lottery 1st?

Buffalo won

 

[Coachcorner]

Buffalo won

Thank you milord. And I already founded it out miself. Owen Power's career is not rising stock like bitcoin. They both on the download milord.

 

[realgoodleafs]

Which small and slow players are we looking at drafting?

 

[facelessjoe1990]

I believe they should look into Jack Bar for the 2nd and Joey Pierce for the 5th or 6th.

 

[Morgs]

I believe they should look into Jack Bar for the 2nd and Joey Pierce for the 5th or 6th.

What do you see in Jack Bar? He'll be one of the oldest players drafted, his production on a juggernaut isn't anything to write home about, and he doesn't exactly have any "standout" tools (and struggles defensively according to reports). Not that I don't like him or anything, I'm just wondering why you're targeting him specifically. Am I missing something?

 

[Morgs]

If we're talking about 2nd round picks, the guys currently on my board for us are:

1. LHD - Olen Zellweger
2. C - Joshua Roy
3. W - Olivier Nadeau
4. W - Coner Roulette
5. W - Samu Salminen

HM:
C - Cole Huckins
W - Prokhor Poltapov
LHD - Cameron Whynot
LHD - Evan Nause
RHD - Vincent Iorio
RHD - Brent Johnson

And some other guys I'm hoping are available later on:
C - Samuel Helenius
C - Caedan Bankier
C - Robert Orr
W - James Malatesta
W - Eric Alarie
W - Sean Tschigerl
LHD - Rory Neill
RHD - Oscar Plandowski

 

[facelessjoe1990]

What do you see in Jack Bar? He'll be one of the oldest players drafted, his production on a juggernaut isn't anything to write home about, and he doesn't exactly have any "standout" tools (and struggles defensively according to reports). Not that I don't like him or anything, I'm just wondering why you're targeting him specifically. Am I missing something?

I have nothing other than it's just a gut feeling. Sorry if that's not a good enough answer.

 

[Morgs]

I have nothing other than it's just a gut feeling. Sorry if that's not a good enough answer.

Nope that's a great! I am just more analytically minded when I scout. Wondering if you had any insight.

 

[RoadWarrior]

The 2021 draft is a total crapshoot. Might have a shot getting a decent player in the second round. Just remember he has to be frail and shies away from contact or he's not TML material.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Is anyone else frustrated by the amount of picks Dubas traded away at the deadline? Did the players he acquired even do anything? Wtf

 

[LaPlante94]

Just bumping this thread up since it's fell way down the list the last week. Also, hopefully Scott Morrow gets over looked because of the league he played in. Don't know too much about many players this year since we only got like 3 picks but he's one I instantly liked and believe is probably a top 15-20 talent.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If we're talking about 2nd round picks, the guys currently on my board for us are:

1. LHD - Olen Zellweger - Size holds him back, but is a great prospect otherwise.
2. C - Joshua Roy - Major skating issues and lacks a defensive game, but has a nice shot with solid IQ and skill. Lacks physique too (just not super athletic). 3rd round prospect at best.
3. W - Olivier Nadeau - Good complimentary winger, but also lacks skating and is likely a 3rd/4th round guy.
4. W - Coner Roulette - Questionable upside, but still enough to be a solid middle 6 player.
5. W - Samu Salminen - People don't like his skating but I think it is overblown. Needs work and doesn't use his size but I think he is the best Finnish player after Raty in this draft (I am not high on Tuomaala) and he would be a decent project in the 2nd round. Nice shot and IQ.

HM:
C - Cole Huckins - Low upside profile. He projects to be a good 4th liner with size, but I have him in the 4th round.
W - Prokhor Poltapov - If he was bigger, he'd be a sure-fire 1st round pick. Needs refinement in a few areas but he has top 6 upside with a nice low end too.
LHD - Cameron Whynot - I like him more than Nause. More upside, but less refined.
LHD - Evan Nause - Has great IQ and is very refined, but I don't like the upside and I think he is overhyped.
RHD - Vincent Iorio - Lacks upside. Benefitted from playing on a good team. Might be a 4th rounder, but I have him in the 5th/6th as a potential solid bottom pairing defenseman.
RHD - Brent Johnson - A guy I think is underrated. Needs work defensively but he really progressed nicely this year and has 2nd round pick pedigree if people knew more about him.

And some other guys I'm hoping are available later on:
C - Samuel Helenius - Big, bottom 6 specialist type. He is raw, but he was respectable in the Liiga as a DY eligible player and that bodes well for his chances of making the NHL (historically).
C - Caedan Bankier - Nothing that truly stands out, and is extremely quiet on the ice. But if you watch him you see that he does a bunch of things that you need to win and comes out of nowhere to score goals and make great plays.
C - Robert Orr - Amazing name, underrated player. I can see him flying under the radar and having a nice NHL career on a 3rd line in the NHL.
W - James Malatesta - Plays really hard for someone his size. Shoots more than anyone in the QMJHL (by a lot), but only scored 10 goals in 32 games. Puts in little effort defensively. Really hard gauging him because there is potential for him to be really good (maybe even top 6), but there are also a ton of red flags.
W - Eric Alarie
W - Sean Tschigerl - Works hard, nice skill, but I am not sure he has the high end IQ that makes players truly special. I can see him having a nice NHL career, but it will likely be on multiple teams as a solid bottom 6er more than anything.
LHD - Rory Neill - No idea about him, but lacks production and is not big. Not a good combination.
RHD - Oscar Plandowski - IDK what it is with him, but he feels like low IQ. There is potential for him to be a really good two-way defenseman, but even playing on an elite team like Charlottetown, he seemed content just being a safe player. No harm in that, but he needed to bring a lot more of his skill to the table if he wanted to go in the first 4 rounds.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Just bumping this thread up since it's fell way down the list the last week. Also, hopefully Scott Morrow gets over looked because of the league he played in. Don't know too much about many players this year since we only got like 3 picks but he's one I instantly liked and believe is probably a top 15-20 talent.

He's boom-bust. I feel like he is a top 50 (instead of top 25) version of Ceulemans.

 

[Gabriel426]

I am expecting a few minor trades from Dubas to get more draft picks.

 

[Morgs]

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Zellweger is easily my favourite pick in the 2nd. He legit might be a top-15 player out of this draft.

I think you're too low on Roy. I had him in my first for a little and his production although not great is more than respectable after getting traded. Reminds me of how people really overthought Veleno, and he exploded after the draft.

Nadeau had some of the best production of any player in this draft. Sure he was on a stacked team, but good players produce in juniors and he did just that.

 

[LaPlante94]

Zellweger is easily my favourite pick in the 2nd. He legit might be a top-15 player out of this draft.

I think you're too low on Roy. I had him in my first for a little and his production although not great is more than respectable after getting traded. Reminds me of how people really overthought Veleno, and he exploded after the draft.

Nadeau had some of the best production of any player in this draft. Sure he was on a stacked team, but good players produce in juniors and he did just that.

Read up on Nadeau earlier and he sounds like something we could use in our system. Everything about him sounds like a great pick if Dubas and our scouts/development team think they can improve his skating a bit. Tyler Boucher was another name I might read up on tomorrow.

 

[Morgs]

Read up on Nadeau earlier and he sounds like something we could use in our system. Everything about him sounds like a great pick if Dubas and our scouts/development team think they can improve his skating a bit. Tyler Boucher was another name I might read up on tomorrow.

Yeah, Nadeau had the 7th highest NHLe of the 133 players I tracked over the year. It's the kind of production that simply is too much to ignore due to some faults in his profile. I think he's definitely a 1st round talent that will probably be picked in the 2nd, but I simply like Roy & especially Zellweger more.

As for Boucher, he had good (not great) production this year, but in such a damn small sample size. I haven't read too much about him, but from what I do know is there's a potential for a checking 3rd liner with some offensive upside.

Player

D-Age

Height

Weight

Position

League

Team

GP

G

P

PPG

NHLe 20-21

NHLe 19-20

Boucher, Tyler

18.7

6'1"

201

W

USHL

USDP

5

3

5

1.00

9.68

4.43

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Morgs]

He's boom-bust. I feel like he is a top 50 (instead of top 25) version of Ceulemans.

He's definitely an interesting guy though. The highlights I've seen the guy looks like a stud, but comp in HS hockey is just so so bad. Also doesn't help that he's going to be almost 19 on draft day and has played 8 games in his life above HS hockey and has 1 assist.

 

[facelessjoe1990]

I'm all aboard the Oscar Plandowski train.
His mom is a power skating coach.

 

[hockeywiz542]

2021 NHL Draft order set through first 27 picks - NHL.com

The final order of the first round will be set after the Cup Final.

2021 NHL DRAFT ORDER

1. Buffalo Sabres

2. Seattle Kraken

3. Anaheim Ducks

4. New Jersey Devils

5. Columbus Blue Jackets

6. Detroit Red Wings

7. San Jose Sharks

8. Los Angeles Kings

9. Vancouver Canucks

10. Ottawa Senators

11. Chicago Blackhawks

12. Calgary Flames

13. Philadelphia Flyers

14. Dallas Stars

15. New York Rangers

16. St. Louis Blues

17. Winnipeg Jets

18. Nashville Predators

19. Edmonton Oilers

20. Boston Bruins

21. Minnesota Wild

22. Detroit Red Wings (from Washington Capitals)

23. Florida Panthers

24. Columbus Blue Jackets (from Toronto Maple Leafs)

25. Minnesota Wild (from Pittsburgh Penguins)

26. Carolina Hurricanes

27. Colorado Avalanche

28. Semifinal losing team with fewest points

29. Semifinal losing team with most points

30. Stanley Cup Final losing team

31. Stanley Cup winner

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I'm all aboard the Oscar Plandowski train.
His mom is a power skating coach.

His dad is Tampa's Director of Scouting.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Yeah, Nadeau had the 7th highest NHLe of the 133 players I tracked over the year. It's the kind of production that simply is too much to ignore due to some faults in his profile. I think he's definitely a 1st round talent that will probably be picked in the 2nd, but I simply like Roy & especially Zellweger more.

As for Boucher, he had good (not great) production this year, but in such a damn small sample size. I haven't read too much about him, but from what I do know is there's a potential for a checking 3rd liner with some offensive upside.

Player

D-Age

Height

Weight

Position

League

Team

GP

G

P

PPG

NHLe 20-21

NHLe 19-20

Boucher, Tyler

18.7

6'1"

201

W

USHL

USDP

5

3

5

1.00

9.68

4.43

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Nadeau's skating needs a lot of work. I have him in the same range as Roy, which is mid-late 3rd round. Middle-6 upside, but need some work to get there.

I think Nadeau has more potential of being a top 9 winger, but it will be more of a #3 complimentary guy on those lines. I think Roy has more ability to be a #2 on a middle 6 line, but I think he has major bust potential.

 

[cookie]

I haven't heard much from Nikita Guslistov as a late round pickup - first ever 18y.o. with a hatty in KHL

Then there's another overager in Vasili Machulin who I'm a bit more interested in. First, he's incorrectly listed as a right-hand shot defenseman on eliteprospects but at 6'4 he skates really freaking well, actually surveys plays developing across the ice, and makes good reads in that he can step up from the offensive blue line to squash counter rushes for instance. There's a little razzle-dazzle in his game too.

It may sound lazy and cliche, but there are styllistic similarities between Machulin and current NHL defender Ivan Provorov, or at least in terms of the high stick grip and powerful, short stride. Machulin is a very intelligent rearguard who not only breaks out on his own, but does so with sound intentions and effective short-distance movements through or around traffic. Much like Provorov, Machulin has that look as he deliberately moves up the ice where you just know he’s scanning beyond 180 degrees . Once he sees an opening, the gear shifts into a higher speed and the impressive stick work does the rest. He might be an overager, but he’s got an August-2002 birth date that just missed 2021 first-year eligibility. As mentioned earlier, Machulin is adept at creating his own shot and can turn an offensive-zone draw into an opportunity to showcase his agility, patience, and heavy, accurate shot. Although he isn’t as overtly physical as some of his fellow Dynamo MSK defenders, Machulin packs a heavy punch and can humble the thickest of opposing forwards with a stiff shoulder or open-ice check.

plus he's ranked #69 amongst euro players by central scouting, so he has to be a nice pick-up.

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

I am expecting a few minor trades from Dubas to get more draft picks.

Of course people are pissed, but in the NHL to be a contender, sometimes you need to add pieces at the deadline. Those pieces usually cost draft picks. This team had talent, size, grit, leadership, toughness, etc and still couldn't get it done.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Is anyone else frustrated by the amount of picks Dubas traded away at the deadline? Did the players he acquired even do anything? Wtf

meh, we had 12 last year.
was definitely a year worth going all in (look at the habs), it just didn't work out