The Never Too Early 2021 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[SeaOfBlue]

He’s who i want the leafs to draft with a late pick, but if he keeps tearing it up, he may be drafted too high.

I would say it is unlikely he makes it out of the top 125 at this point, but I don't think he is good enough for a 2nd round pick. Maybe if we acquire a few mid-round picks.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

https://thehockeywriters.com/erie-hosting-major-junior-hockey-showcase/

PBHH Invitational

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Zw8IPp-Zr8Mk4suJ3&ampcf=1&cshid=1620202758438

Looks like there will be a major showcase for a bunch of NHL prospects. It looks like it will primarily be OHLers but there will be guys from all over the world coming in. Right now they have 130-140 guys even though it says they can only fit 100 in the arenas. Maybe they are finding more room somewhere else.

Completely started and run by OHL players, who set it up independently of the OHL.

Amazing news and I will certainly watch if possible. Would be cool to make it a permanent thing too, especially for guys who may not have much of an opportunity to showcase themselves because they are not going top 100 or whatever.

 

[horner]

https://thehockeywriters.com/erie-hosting-major-junior-hockey-showcase/

PBHH Invitational

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Zw8IPp-Zr8Mk4suJ3&ampcf=1&cshid=1620202758438

Looks like there will be a major showcase for a bunch of NHL prospects. It looks like it will primarily be OHLers but there will be guys from all over the world coming in. Right now they have 130-140 guys even though it says they can only fit 100 in the arenas. Maybe they are finding more room somewhere else.

Completely started and run by OHL players, who set it up independently of the OHL.

Amazing news and I will certainly watch if possible. Would be cool to make it a permanent thing too, especially for guys who may not have much of an opportunity to showcase themselves because they are not going top 100 or whatever.

Great news for these you kids .
Will definitely watch this .
Hope TSN covers this .

 

[hockeynorth]

https://thehockeywriters.com/erie-hosting-major-junior-hockey-showcase/

PBHH Invitational

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Zw8IPp-Zr8Mk4suJ3&ampcf=1&cshid=1620202758438

Looks like there will be a major showcase for a bunch of NHL prospects. It looks like it will primarily be OHLers but there will be guys from all over the world coming in. Right now they have 130-140 guys even though it says they can only fit 100 in the arenas. Maybe they are finding more room somewhere else.

Completely started and run by OHL players, who set it up independently of the OHL.

Amazing news and I will certainly watch if possible. Would be cool to make it a permanent thing too, especially for guys who may not have much of an opportunity to showcase themselves because they are not going top 100 or whatever.

I hope TSN or Sportsnet pick this up, it is amazing. Those guys deserve major props for setting this up, I hope some teams step in.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I hope TSN or Sportsnet pick this up, it is amazing. Those guys deserve major props for setting this up, I hope some teams step in.

It would benefit the NHL teams to kick in a bit. They get to scout a bunch of guys who they otherwise would not be able to see all in one place and effectively have a Combine for them too.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Canada beats Sweden 8-1 after beating them earlier by a score of 12-1.

Canada is on another level in this tournament right now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Not having a 1st round pick this year doesn't bother me and honestly shouldn't bother anybody else and there is a couple reasons for that.

#1 this draft couldn't be scouted properly anyway because barely anybody played and those that did were a mess.

#2 they drafted 12 players last year there are to many players as is they they can afford to deal off a few picks.

#3 Unless, you are getting a Matthews, Marner, Mcdavid, Crosby, Ovechkin, Eichel etc, unless you are getting that dude, the guy you know is going to make an impact proven assets are always better than magic beans, because unless you have a top 3, MAYBE top 5 pick, that's what draft picks are some of those magic beans grow into stars but they are magic beans, and when you are a championship contender,and the Leafs are a championship contender you can't be worrying about magic beans you need proven players.

Tampa doesn't have a 1st, 2nd or 4th this year, and didn't have a 1st last year do you think they care? no because they haveColeman, Goodrow and Savard, Pittsburgh is doing the same thing they got Jeff Carter, same thing with the NYI getting Palmeri and Zajac.

There comes a point where you don't deal in magic beans, the Leafs have reached that point Foligno, Rittch, Hutton, Nash they help NOW and that's what matters.

If the Leafs don't pick a single player in 2021 that's fine, the 2021 draft is not important

 

[Maplebeasts]

I really liked Chibrikov in the U18's. He would be amazing to pick up if we can get back into the first round. I also really like Stankoven. Would not mind picking up Roulette either in the second.

 

[aingefan]

I really liked Chibrikov in the U18's. He would be amazing to pick up if we can get back into the first round. I also really like Stankoven. Would not mind picking up Roulette either in the second.

Where is Roulette from?

 

[Maplebeasts]

Where is Roulette from?

Winnipeg. He plays for the Thunderbirds in the WHL

 

[aingefan]

Winnipeg. He plays for the Thunderbirds in the WHL

Russian descent at least?
Wishful thinking.

 

[Prominence]

I think leafs trade their 2nd round pick for a 3rd and 4th and use those picks to draft one of brent johnson/jake martin and the 4th on kuzmin.

 

[Mess]

Going to unsticky this thread for the playoff season, and it will return to the top of the board post Stanley Cup playoffs as per request from above.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I think leafs trade their 2nd round pick for a 3rd and 4th and use those picks to draft one of brent johnson/jake martin and the 4th on kuzmin.

I don't think we get great value out of a trade down from our late 2nd. I guess it depends on whether there are stupid teams or not. I imagine teams are just going to take the guys who fall to them, and that late 2nd-early 3rd range is one of the better bang-for-buck ranges in this draft as it is. Late 1st is pretty strong as well. Early-mid 2nd is iffy in this draft; they will be drafted in the top 50 but they are more top 75 caliber.

Also not a fan of Jake Martin. He garnered some hype from Scouching because he is strangely good at both stopping and generating rushes (or transitions as Scouching calls it) due to his gap control. Not sure that is enough to get you drafted when you have no offensive ability and are mediocre in pretty much every other area though... Pretty much reminds me of Marincin with less size, reach, and positioning on the cycle. Not sure that is worthy of any selection.

 

[Morgs]

Not sure why this thread was unstickied, but I've started getting back into the draft the last week+ and I've fully updated the NHLe for this season (and last season) for 127 prospects. Here are the guys with over a 10 NHLe on the season:

Player	D-Age	Height	Weight	Position	League	Team	GP	G	P	PPG	NHLe 20-21
Eklund, William	18.9	5'10"	172	C/W	SHL	Djurgårdens	40	11	23	0.58	23.06
Stankoven, Logan	18.6	5'8"	170	W	WHL	Kamloops	6	7	10	1.67	22.14
Johnson, Kent	18.9	6'1"	170	C	NCAA	Michigan	26	9	27	1.04	19.67
Beniers, Matthew	18.9	6'0"	175	C	NCAA	Michigan	24	10	24	1.00	18.94
Bourgault, Xavier	19.0	5'11"	166	C	QMJHL	Shawinigan	29	29	40	1.38	17.98
Nadeau, Olivier	18.7	6'2"	205	W	QMJHL	Shawinigan	34	13	45	1.32	17.26
Coronato, Matthew	18.8	5'10"	181	W	USHL	Chicago	51	48	85	1.67	16.13
Zellweger, Olen	18.0	5'9"	165	LHD	WHL	Everett	11	2	13	1.18	15.70
L'Heureux, Zachary	18.4	5'11"	196	W	QMJHL	Halifax	33	19	39	1.18	15.41
Lucius, Chaz	18.4	6'1"	180	C	USHL	USDP	12	13	18	1.50	14.51
Roulette, Conner	18.4	5'11"	175	W	WHL	Seattle	11	6	12	1.09	14.49
Sillinger, Cole	18.3	6'0"	187	C	USHL	Sioux Falls	31	24	46	1.48	14.36
Martino, Ayrton	19.0	5'10"	170	W	USHL	Omaha	38	18	56	1.47	14.26
Bolduc, Zachary	18.6	6'1"	175	C	QMJHL	Rimouski	27	10	29	1.07	14.00
Alarie, Eric	18.6	6'1"	198	W	WHL	Moose Jaw	19	10	20	1.05	13.98
Pastujov, Sasha	18.2	6'0"	181	W	USHL	USDP	18	10	26	1.44	13.98
Bankier, Caedan	18.6	6'0	170	C	WHL	Kamloops	22	11	23	1.05	13.89
Robidas, Justin	18.5	5'7"	172	C	QMJHL	Val-d'Or	35	19	36	1.03	13.41
Dach, Colton	18.7	6'2"	185	W	WHL	Saskatoon	20	11	20	1.00	13.28
Tschigerl, Sean	18.4	6'0"	181	W	WHL	Calgary	21	13	21	1.00	13.28
Roy, Joshua	18.1	6'1"	192	C	QMJHL	Sherbrooke	35	21	35	1.00	13.04
Huckins, Cole	18.4	6'4"	192	C	QMJHL	Acadie-Bathurst	33	14	32	0.97	12.64
Korczak, Ryder	19.0	5'10"	159	C	WHL	Moose Jaw	17	3	16	0.94	12.50
Reynolds, Peter	18.7	5'10"	169	C	QMJHL	Saint John	33	15	31	0.94	12.25
Poltapov, Prokhor	18.6	5'10"	161	W	MHL	Krasnaya	61	25	52	0.85	11.88
Power, Owen	18.8	6'5"	210	LHD	NCAA	Michigan	26	3	16	0.62	11.66
Chiasson, Jake	18.3	6'1"	170	W	WHL	Brandon	23	9	20	0.87	11.55
Dean, Zachary	18.7	5'11"	168	C	QMJHL	Gatineau	23	10	20	0.87	11.34
Buruyanov, Nikita	19.0	5'10"	172	W	MHL	Dynamo	54	24	41	0.76	10.58
Orr, Robert	18.1	5'11"	176	C	QMJHL	Halifax	41	15	32	0.78	10.18
Petrov, Matvei	18.5	6'1"	163	W	MHL	MHK Krylia	58	22	42	0.72	10.09
Olausson, Oskar	18.9	6'2"	181	W	SHL	HV71	16	3	4	0.25	10.02

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Morgs]

Firstly, Olen Zellweger.

Who? This is a guy that around February (before I did my latest WHL update) he was in a group that legitimately had me wondering whether they even had a chance at being in my top-90 guys that I'm ranking. He only had a 2.75 NHLe in his D-1 season and he's 5'9, Without any updated numbers, a guy who is "small" and lacked any semblane of production he didn't really scream like someone who would be drafted without some crazy good defensive play or skating. I'm now wondering how I'm going to keep him out of my top-15.

The guy is not only leading all draft eligible defenseman in NHLe, but he has the largest difference year to year of all 127 skaters I tracked. Not only did he crush his season like you want from a DE guy, but the guy came from nowhere to do it. The scouting reports rave about his skating, they talk about his willingness to jump in the play, and they talk about how he ATTACKS in the neutral zone on defense. Did I mention he's also one of the youngest players in the entire draft?

The numbers back it up too:



His rankings are all over the place, but for the most part he's established himself as a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. I need to watch more, but he's interesting as hell. 8 points in the U-18 don't hurt at all either.

 

[Morgs]

I'm gonna do a bunch more research over the next two months and I'll be posting guys I find to be really interesting. If anyone has any suggestions for underrated guys I should be taking a bigger look at I'd really be interested.

 

[saffronleaf]

Time to pay attention to the draft

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Firstly, Olen Zellweger.

Who? This is a guy that around February (before I did my latest WHL update) he was in a group that legitimately had me wondering whether they even had a chance at being in my top-90 guys that I'm ranking. He only had a 2.75 NHLe in his D-1 season and he's 5'9, Without any updated numbers, a guy who is "small" and lacked any semblane of production he didn't really scream like someone who would be drafted without some crazy good defensive play or skating. I'm now wondering how I'm going to keep him out of my top-15.

The guy is not only leading all draft eligible defenseman in NHLe, but he has the largest difference year to year of all 127 skaters I tracked. Not only did he crush his season like you want from a DE guy, but the guy came from nowhere to do it. The scouting reports rave about his skating, they talk about his willingness to jump in the play, and they talk about how he ATTACKS in the neutral zone on defense. Did I mention he's also one of the youngest players in the entire draft?

The numbers back it up too:



His rankings are all over the place, but for the most part he's established himself as a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. I need to watch more, but he's interesting as hell. 8 points in the U-18 don't hurt at all either.

I have him top 50, which could put him in the late 1st round.

Agree that he is underrated due to his size. If he was over 6'0", he'd be top 15 easy.

 

[Morgs]

With it almost being time for the lottery I'm gonna post my current top-15 picks (Arizona lost theirs). I'd love to see everyone elses:

1. C/W - William Eklund (Buffalo)
2. C/W - Matthew Beniers (Anaheim)
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3. LHD - Owen Power (Seattle)
4. LHD - Luke Hughes (New Jersey)
5. W - Dylan Guenther (Columbus)
6. W - Kent Johnson (Detroit)
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7. RHD - Brandt Clarke (San Jose)
8. LHD - Simon Edvinsson (Los Angeles)
9. LHD - Carson Lambos (Vancouver)
10. G - Jesper Wallstedt (Ottawa)
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11. W - Oscar Olausson (Chicago)
12. W - Mason MacTavish (Calgary)
13. W - Sasha Pastujov (Philadelphia)
14. C/W - Chaz Lucius (Dallas)
15. W - Matthew Coronato (New York)

 

[SeaOfBlue]

With it almost being time for the lottery I'm gonna post my current top-15 picks (Arizona lost theirs). I'd love to see everyone elses:

1. C/W - William Eklund (Buffalo)
2. C/W - Matthew Beniers (Anaheim)
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3. LHD - Owen Power (Seattle)
4. LHD - Luke Hughes (New Jersey)
5. W - Dylan Guenther (Columbus)
6. W - Kent Johnson (Detroit)
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7. RHD - Brandt Clarke (San Jose)
8. LHD - Simon Edvinsson (Los Angeles)
9. LHD - Carson Lambos (Vancouver)
10. G - Jesper Wallstedt (Ottawa)
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11. W - Oscar Olausson (Chicago)
12. W - Mason MacTavish (Calgary)
13. W - Sasha Pastujov (Philadelphia)
14. C/W - Chaz Lucius (Dallas)
15. W - Matthew Coronato (New York)

Name	Position	Shoots/Catches	Birth Month	Month #	Birth Year	Height (ft)	Height (cm)	Weight (lbs)	Junior Team	League	Player URL	Local Ranking	Global Ranking
Owen Power	Defenseman	Left	November	11	2002	6'5"	195	209	Michigan	NCAA	Owen Power at eliteprospects.com	5	5
William Eklund	Center/Left Wing	Left	October	10	2002	5'10"	178	172	Djurgardens	SWEDEN	William Eklund at eliteprospects.com	5	5
Matthew Beniers	Center	Left	November	11	2002	6'1"	185	174	Michigan	NCAA	Matthew Beniers at eliteprospects.com	5	5
Luke Hughes	Defenseman	Left	September	9	2003	6'2"	188	176	USA U18	USDP	Luke Hughes at eliteprospects.com	5	10
Brandt Clarke	Defenseman	Right	February	2	2003	6'1"	185	181	Barrie	OHL	Brandt Clarke at eliteprospects.com	5	10
Simon Edvinsson	Defenseman	Left	February	2	2003	6'4"	193	185	Frolunda	SWEDEN	Simon Edvinsson at eliteprospects.com	10	10
Dylan Guenther	Left Wing	Right	April	4	2003	6'1"	185	170	Edmonton	WHL	Dylan Guenther at eliteprospects.com	10	10
Kent Johnson	Left Wing/Center	Left	October	10	2002	6'1"	185	165	Michigan	NCAA	Kent Johnson at eliteprospects.com	10	10
Mason McTavish	Center/Left Wing	Left	January	1	2003	6'2"	188	207	Peterborough	OHL	Mason McTavish at eliteprospects.com	10	15
Jesper Wallstadt	Goalie	Left	November	11	2002	6'3"	191	214	Lulea	SWEDEN	Jesper Wallstedt at eliteprospects.com	10	15
Chaz Lucius	Center	Right	May	5	2003	6'0"	183	172	USA U18	USDP	https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/512106/chaz-lucius	15	15
Fabian Lysell	Left Wing	Right	January	1	2003	5'10"	178	176	Lulea	SWEDEN	https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/472769/fabian-lysell	15	15
Cole Sillinger	Left Wing/Center	Left	May	5	2003	6'0"	183	201	Medicine Hat	WHL	https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/201844/cole-sillinger	15	15
Carson Lambos	Defenseman	Left	January	1	2003	6'1"	185	201	Winnipeg	WHL	https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/472875/carson-lambos	15	15
Sebastian Cossa	Goalie	Left	November	11	2002	6'4"	194	212	Edmonton	WHL	https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/476602/sebastian-cossa	15	25

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[hamzarocks]

If Sabres win 1st overall pick

Marner for 1st pick + Cozens/Quinn

Man that would be a pretty crazy move. We get two elite prospects probably both which can play upcoming season and clear 11M of the cap which can be used to add either Hamilton + Coleman type player or maybe 2 Schwartz level players

 

[tmlms13]

If Sabres win 1st overall pick

Marner for 1st pick + Cozens/Quinn

Man that would be a pretty crazy move. We get two elite prospects probably both which can play upcoming season and clear 11M of the cap which can be used to add either Hamilton + Coleman type player or maybe 2 Schwartz level players

Gonna need a more lopsided trade if your goal is tank for Shane Wright.

 

[hamzarocks]

Gonna need a more lopsided trade if your goal is tank for Shane Wright.

My goal is actually to tank for Connor Bedard. Next year is the last chance year for the core and if we fall in the 1st I hope we blow this mess to and start over

 

[Coachcorner]

how many minutes is there to the result of whom winning the lottery 1st?