The Mikhail Grigorenko Thread Part II (assigned to Québec)

[Jame]

Yeah, well good luck with the rebuild with that attitude. That's the reason your rebuild is doomed. Mishandling top prospects...I could only imagine what other prospects in Sabres organization thinks.

The other prospects can see tht they will have to work and earn their opportunities... Sets a great example for all of them

Being a 1st round pick, isn't an automatic path to a job.

 

[wnysupport]

So mishandling his development--being referred to as "abuse," "disrespect," and "mistreatment" by some in this thread--excuses his refusal to report?

Zadorov is Russian. Zadorov is better than Sulzer and Weber. Did the Sabres disrespect, abuse, or mistreat him by sending him back to London?

Zadorov is 18 - so it's more comparable to last year with Grigorenko...in which he did go back to the Q. It's a different situation

 

[boots electric]

Seriously wondering what nonsense Grigo's agent was pitching in order to make this happen

 

[Jim Bob]

Yeah, well good luck with the rebuild with that attitude. That's the reason your rebuild is doomed. Mishandling top prospects...I could only imagine what other prospects in Sabres organization thinks.

Regier mishandled Grigorenko by rushing him to the NHL. He should have been in Quebec last year and this year.

How has Murray mishandled him at all? He isn't NHL ready and can't play in the AHL.

I don't see how Murray did anything wrong.



And what other top prospect have they mishandled?

 

[Samsonite23]

Yeah, well good luck with the rebuild with that attitude. That's the reason your rebuild is doomed. Mishandling top prospects...I could only imagine what other prospects in Sabres organization thinks.

The way you're speaking, you think a 19 year old kid is more important than the entire organization.

 

[Tompa8989*]

Are you serious? Maybe it's time for you to place some blame on the immature kid

It's not his rebuild that gets set back 5 years cause of this. Im sure the Lightning didn't tell Drouin to shut up and go back to the juniors without a good talk about what plans the organization has for him and a justification on why he has to play in QMJHL.

 

[ZeroPT*]

So mishandling his development--being referred to as "abuse," "disrespect," and "mistreatment" by some in this thread--excuses his refusal to report?

Zadorov is Russian. Zadorov is better than Sulzer and Weber. Did the Sabres disrespect, abuse, or mistreat him by sending him back to London?

This.

 

[Jacob582]

Obviously this is all caused by that terrible rule than prohibits Grigorenko from being able to play in the AHL. I'm sure he'd go to Rochester without so much as a whimper. And in a perfect world, he would have played in Rochester for the better part of the past two seasons and would be much better because of it.

I don't think that it is obvious that this was caused by the rule that prohibits Grigorenko from being in the AHL.

There are million$ of reasons Grigorenko and his agent would be as unhappy going to the A as the Q.

Who do you think complained to the union about Grigo going to the AHL for the conditioning assignment? He didn't go willingly then; why would he go without a whimper now if he was eligible?

 

[wnysupport]

This.

No, not this. Zadorovs' situation is akin to last year with Grigorenko...

 

[ZeroPT*]

It's not his rebuild that gets set back 5 years cause of this. Im sure the Lightning didn't tell Drouin to shut up and go back to the juniors without a good talk about what plans the organization has for him and a justification on why he has to play in QMJHL.

Alright I'll bite. I'm going to take your position with it, here's what you're saying:
The sabres management has set back the rebuild by 5 years by sending a top prospect back to junior.

 

[wnysupport]

I don't think that it is obvious that this was caused by the rule that prohibits Grigorenko from being in the AHL.

There are million$ of reasons Grigorenko and his agent would be as unhappy going to the A as the Q.

Who do you think complained to the union about Grigo going to the AHL for the conditioning assignment? He didn't go willingly then; why would he go without a whimper now if he was eligible?

If that were the case, and he was able to (not saying he is, because obviously we know without certain things happening, he isn't) - then I would agree he is much more of a risk.

 

[Moskau]

It's not his rebuild that gets set back 5 years cause of this. Im sure the Lightning didn't tell Drouin to shut up and go back to the juniors without a good talk about what plans the organization has for him and a justification on why he has to play in QMJHL.

And Buffalo did that with Grigorenko and he didn't want anything to do with it because he's a *****. Happens with far too many young Russians.

 

[Jim Bob]

It's not his rebuild that gets set back 5 years cause of this. Im sure the Lightning didn't tell Drouin to shut up and go back to the juniors without a good talk about what plans the organization has for him and a justification on why he has to play in QMJHL.

I'm sure Murray told Grigorenko why he was sending him to Quebec and Grigorenko just didn't want to hear it based on plenty of the quotes he's given this year.

 

[ZeroPT*]

No, not this. Zadorovs' situation is akin to last year with Grigorenko...

What? No it's not. Age doesn't matter with this situation, they're mere months apart. Girgorenko played in the NHL under stupid management and was sent down. The same happened to Zadorov. Why does Grigorenko get this special treatment? Is it so hard for people to recognize that he's being a little brat? I've been cut from teams before, I didn't pout and stomp my feet on the ground. I took it to heart and made it my life goal to show those ******* up, and prove to them WHY they made the wrong decision.He's in the NHL, he's a pro. It's not because he's russian that this is happening, it's because HE is being a little brat, if Girgensons did the same I'd want him as far away from this group as possible, I'm starting to feel the same way about grigo.

 

[Djp]

No, it's the NHL way.

Did the Sabres talk to Pominville before he was waived to Rochester in 2005-06?

It's not like Grigorenko is a seasoned vet like Ryan Miller who a GM should talk to about his future. At this point, Grigorenko has to roll with what the Sabres management wants.

The issue is that Grigs is in that no mans land.....playing in the Q doesnt help him.

He would have no issues playing in Rochester.

What he would like is for the Q to release him and allow him to play in Rochester.

Pominville did have a talk with Ruff and Darcy when he was sent down to Rochester. He would want to know why he didnt make the team and what he had to do to earn a call up.



I have said this before---CHL imports should be allowed to get bought out or released when they are in their last year which would then allow them to go to the AHL.

 

[ZeroPT*]

The issue is that Grigs is in that no mans land.....playing in the Q doesnt help him.

He would have no issues playing in Rochester.

What he would like is for the Q to release him and allow him to play in Rochester.

Pominville did have a talk with Ruff and Darcy when he was sent down to Rochester. He would want to know why he didnt make the team and what he had to do to earn a call up.



I have said this before---CHL imports should be allowed to get bought out or released when they are in their last year which would then allow them to go to the AHL.

OR the NHL team could pay off the team with a compensation of some sort.In general I agree.

 

[chadthestampede]

The issue is that Grigs is in that no mans land.....playing in the Q doesnt help him.

He would have no issues playing in Rochester.

What he would like is for the Q to release him and allow him to play in Rochester.

Pominville did have a talk with Ruff and Darcy when he was sent down to Rochester. He would want to know why he didnt make the team and what he had to do to earn a call up.



I have said this before---CHL imports should be allowed to get bought out or released when they are in their last year which would then allow them to go to the AHL.

Wow I didn't know Grigs agent posted here.

 

[Tompa8989*]

The way you're speaking, you think a 19 year old kid is more important than the entire organization.

That's not my point but i believe you have to be diplomatic in some way when dealing with prospects, and especially top prospects that is expected to play a top 6 role for the next 10 years. It's just the road to failure if you just act like you are god. The best managers is the one that does not only care about the well being of the company/organization but also the well being of the employed/players.

In this case it's obvious that the management only cared about the organiation in the short term. Which is sad for the fans in Buffalo who will have to wait a bunch of extra years to be competetive.

 

[wnysupport]

What? No it's not. Age doesn't matter with this situation, they're mere months apart. Girgorenko played in the NHL under stupid management and was sent down. The same happened to Zadorov. Why does Grigorenko get this special treatment? Is it so hard for people to recognize that he's being a little brat? I've been cut from teams before, I didn't pout and stomp my feet on the ground. I took it to heart and made it my life goal to show those ******* up, and prove to them WHY they made the wrong decision.

It's not age, I'm making the point that Zadorovs situation this year is not the same as Grigorenko this year. It was more comparable to last year in which Grigorenko DID go back to the Q. This year is his 2nd season, not 1st.

Should he get special treatment, no - I agree with that. However the point was that Zadorov went back to the Q...well so did Grigorenko last year.

 

[ZeroPT*]

It's not age, I'm making the point that Zadorovs situation this year is not the same as Grigorenko this year. It was more comparable to last year in which Grigorenko DID go back to the Q. This year is his 2nd season, not 1st.

Should he get special treatment, no - I agree with that. However the point was that Zadorov went back to the Q...well so did Grigorenko last year.

But why is it so hard for a man like him to understand that he's not ready for this and that this decision is the new group's opinion on what's best for his development

 

[Jim Bob]

That's not my point but i believe you have to be diplomatic in some way when dealing with prospects, and especially top prospects that is expected to play a top 6 role for the next 10 years. It's just the road to failure if you just act like you are god. The best managers is the one that does not only care about the well being of the company/organization but also the well being of the employed/players.

In this case it's obvious that the management only cared about the organiation in the short term. Which is sad for the fans in Buffalo who will have to wait a bunch of extra years to be competetive.

Explain to me how Grigorenko is the key player to whether or not this team will be competitive on a much faster time frame or not.

I think you are vastly overestimating Grigorenko's potential value to the rebuild.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

But why is it so hard for a man like him to understand that he's not ready for this and that this decision is the new group's opinion on what's best for his development

I'm going to hope it's just immaturity and bad agent advice and that he'll change his mind, as opposed to an entitlement/attitude problem that will doom his future.

 

[Samsonite23]

That's not my point but i believe you have to be diplomatic in some way when dealing with prospects, and especially top prospects that is expected to play a top 6 role for the next 10 years. It's just the road to failure if you just act like you are god. The best managers is the one that does not only care about the well being of the company/organization but also the well being of the employed/players.

In this case it's obvious that the management only cared about the organiation in the short term. Which is sad for the fans in Buffalo who will have to wait a bunch of extra years to be competetive.

The reason they are sending him to juniors is because keeping him in the nhl will hinder his development. He'd be in the ahl in a few months.

And if you honestly think the organization is thinking about the short term at this moment then you are absolutely blind.

 

[EichHart]

Explain to me how Grigorenko is the key player to whether or not this team will be competitive on a much faster time frame or not.

I think you are vastly overestimating Grigorenko's potential value to the rebuild.

What? When he was drafted nearly the entire sabres forum said we finally found our number one C. Seeing as the Num 1 C is the most important position on an NHL team how does it not make Grigs extremely important to this rebuild?

 

[Tompa8989*]

And Buffalo did that with Grigorenko and he didn't want anything to do with it because he's a *****. Happens with far too many young Russians.

I'm sure Murray told Grigorenko why he was sending him to Quebec and Grigorenko just didn't want to hear it based on plenty of the quotes he's given this year.

Ok, let's say he sat down and told him why and what he had to do to earn a spot next year, what did Grigo said in response? Either he tod Murray to go **** himself and stormed out of the room, then Murray made the ''send down call''.

Or Grigo said okey, that's fine, then Murray made the call and then Grigo said, hahaha i'm not gonna report to the Ramparts, ***** you!

It's obvious that the communication wasn't clear enough.