You can bet that the Sabres would be fined in the form of dollars and draft picks if they tried a stunt like that.
The Mikhail Grigorenko Thread Part II (assigned to Québec)
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Mit Yarrum
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He was perfectly able to stay in Russia and play in whatever leagues he choose. He choose to come to NA, and play in the NA leagues. He knew the rules. He knew the way it worked.
The Sabres didn't do a good job developing him thus far. But this situation is entirely on Grigs.
This. He's 19 and not really developing very much in the NHL. The situation sucks because I'm sure everyone agrees he belongs in the AHL. Unfortunately, it's just not an option. Therefore, the only available options are both bad. I'm on the fence about whether he should be in Quebec or Buffalo. I don't like either option very much, but there are arguments to be made on both sides, and reasonable people can have different opinions about that. Personally, I'd probably keep in Buffalo for reasons of (a) his morale, (b) training, and (c) letting Nolan work on his grittiness and drive. However, Grigorenko needs to acknowledge the reality that sending him back to the Q is also a reasonable decision, and do what the organization decides. They aren't ruining him either way. Any player that signs a contract and refuses to report is, in fact, a punk.
Jim Bob
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
Regier screwed up by not sending him back to junior last year when it was obvious he wasn't ready.
They screwed up again this year when they didn't return him.
Now Grigorenko is screwing up by not going back to Quebec.
Tim Murray made the right call. This isn't a mess he created. But, it's one he has to clean up.
Regier screwed up by not sending him back to junior last year when it was obvious he wasn't ready.
They screwed up again this year when they didn't return him.
Now Grigorenko is screwing up by not going back to Quebec.
Tim Murray made the right call. This isn't a mess he created. But, it's one he has to clean up.
I thought I heard someone say that there is a way for a 19 year old CHL player to be eligible for the AHL, but I think all of the other teams in the CHL (or at least the Q) would have to pass on him. Anyone know?
He would have to be released outright by the Remparts and that's it.
The Sabres can't pay anyone to make that happen, though.
Does anyone think Grigorenko is more ready than Zadarov? I don't...
Does anyone think Grigorenko is more NHL ready than Larsson?
You can't put Grigorenko in the NHL because of past mistakes.
You must set organizational standards... Setting those standards are more important than Grigo's feelings.
Does anyone think Grigorenko is more NHL ready than Larsson?
You can't put Grigorenko in the NHL because of past mistakes.
You must set organizational standards... Setting those standards are more important than Grigo's feelings.
Agreed,
I also agree with Zip's comments about Grigs likely thinking he doesn't have a problem in areas of his game that others believe he does. I'm sure the staff is doing this...but players like Grigs need concrete quantitative goals to strive for. I don't think they can use qualitative statements like "compete harder" with him.
I generally agree with your point. But I don't think it's smart to adhere too strictly to "standards." Every player is different, and every asset needs to be managed on a case by case basis in light of all of the circumstances. In the case of Grigorenko, you could make an argument for keeping him in the NHL even if Zadarov and Larsson are more NHL ready.
You don't win solely with standards. You win with stars and a good core.
But the main question here is: Shouldn't the manegment talked with Grigo first? They treat him like a piece of garbage that they think they can throw around any way they want. Is the new Buffalo management mute? Or maybe deaf and Grigo doesn't do sign language?
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
No.
You don't talk with a teenager who has effort and entitlement issues about what he wants.
Yeah Regier messed up by keeping him, and now there's no good option for where to put Grigorenko. I'd like to think that current management explained the scenario. If so I think Grigs is just immature and getting bad advice from his agent as well. I won't jump on him as having an attitude problem, after the up and down process he's been through, without more proof. He might not have a full understanding of his, and the team's, options. One way or another though, he's making a big mistake. Hopefully he'll change his mind quickly.
As for the Sabres, just to think a little differently - I wonder if they knew this could happen? If so, they could have considered playing him sheltered minutes or with quality linemates to bump his stats by the TDL. Coming off a decent WJC and getting some NHL stats (weak as they might have been) could bump his trade value. I think playing him (entitling him) minutes for two months and trading him away would send the same message and reinforce the same values as it would to force young players to earn ice time if they want to be a long-term part of the team.
In this mess of a season, and the near impossible situation this was (is), I think that approach would've been acceptable.
As for the Sabres, just to think a little differently - I wonder if they knew this could happen? If so, they could have considered playing him sheltered minutes or with quality linemates to bump his stats by the TDL. Coming off a decent WJC and getting some NHL stats (weak as they might have been) could bump his trade value. I think playing him (entitling him) minutes for two months and trading him away would send the same message and reinforce the same values as it would to force young players to earn ice time if they want to be a long-term part of the team.
In this mess of a season, and the near impossible situation this was (is), I think that approach would've been acceptable.
vcv
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It was reported that pat DID talk with him for30 minutes before they made this move
The Buffalo Sabres way right?
As i wrote earlier, this rebuild will still be topical 2024.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
The Buffalo Sabres way right?
As i wrote earlier, this rebuild will still be topical 2024.
No, it's the NHL way.
Did the Sabres talk to Pominville before he was waived to Rochester in 2005-06?
It's not like Grigorenko is a seasoned vet like Ryan Miller who a GM should talk to about his future. At this point, Grigorenko has to roll with what the Sabres management wants.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
They obviously didn't speak the same language then...How the heck can you talk to a player and then get this result?
It's easy when the player doesn't like what he's hearing.
Grigorenko believes he's NHL ready even though many, including the Sabres management, believe otherwise.
It's common when dealing with teenagers, really.
wunderpanda
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What entitlement issues? When has he said anything that would bring you to this statement? I don't recall him saying anything that hints to that.
They obviously didn't speak the same language then...How the heck can you talk to a player and then get this result?
Are you serious? Maybe it's time for you to place some blame on the immature kid
Yeah, well good luck with the rebuild with that attitude. That's the reason your rebuild is doomed. Mishandling top prospects...I could only imagine what other prospects in Sabres organization thinks.
This whole episode is one massive entitlement issue. Do you really not see that?
So mishandling his development--being referred to as "abuse," "disrespect," and "mistreatment" by some in this thread--excuses his refusal to report?
Zadorov is Russian. Zadorov is better than Sulzer and Weber. Did the Sabres disrespect, abuse, or mistreat him by sending him back to London?
Zadorov is Russian. Zadorov is better than Sulzer and Weber. Did the Sabres disrespect, abuse, or mistreat him by sending him back to London?
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