The Mikhail Grigorenko Thread Part II (assigned to Québec)

[Zip15]

Oh, enough with the "he's too good for juniors" nonsense. Q followers to an individual disagree with that position. In any event, plenty of better players return to their respective junior league without pulling this stunt.

 

[DeadGhost]

Oh, enough with the "he's too good for juniors" nonsense. Q followers to an individual disagree with that position. In any event, plenty of better players return to their respective junior league without pulling this stunt.

I'd rather he be too good for junior than continue to be out of place on an NHL roster.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Oh, enough with the "he's too good for juniors" nonsense. Q followers to an individual disagree with that position. In any event, plenty of better players return to their respective junior league without pulling this stunt.

Were they Russian?

 

[Eram]

One other note, the Rampart's regular season ends on March 15th.

What should be done is for Murray to sit down with him. Tell him to finish the season in the Q, it's just 2 months. Then come March the trade deadline should open up a roster spot or two. Give him a dozen games until early Apr and send him down to the Amerks for playoffs. He gets playing time and some more NHL money.

 

[mattcc97]

I don't think Tim Murray seems like a guy thy is going to stand for a player refusing to do what is asked of him. I think if Grigo continues to cause a problem, then Murray is just going to move on from him, whether that be via trade or some other method, IMO. Murray strikes me as a guy who is going to deal with player transactions using only his brain, not his heart. He has no emotional attachment to Grigo, obviously. He's all business, and that doesn't bode very well for Grigorenkos future here.

As a side note, I really hope Grigorenko works out here. I don't want him ending up somewhere else and having success there.

 

[zenthusiast]

As an ancillary point, when did Ted Nolan become a paragon of player management?

 

[Zip15]

As an ancillary point, when did Ted Nolan become a paragon of player management?

I'm fairly certain that if Tim Murray didn't believe this was the correct move, it wouldn't have happened.

 

[SundherDome]

If the paperwork has gone through, it CANNOT be done.

Because he was sent down to Quebec after October 1st, his ONLY option is to play in Quebec until the Remparts' season is over.

There's no "recall". There's no "do-over". There's no "delete transaction".


If the paperwork is done, the only place Grigo can play right now is Quebec.

Maybe it has not been fully sent. Could the fax machine being broke actually help us this time?

 

[dugman]

I don't think Tim Murray seems like a guy thy is going to stand for a player refusing to do what is asked of him. I think if Grigo continues to cause a problem, then Murray is just going to move on from him, whether that be via trade or some other method, IMO. Murray strikes me as a guy who is going to deal with player transactions using only his brain, not his heart. He has no emotional attachment to Grigo, obviously. He's all business, and that doesn't bode very well for Grigorenkos future here.

As a side note, I really hope Grigorenko works out here. I don't want him ending up somewhere else and having success there.

On the other hand, I don't think Murray will throw away an asset to make a point. I think he will try to find a way it can be worked out so neither side loses face.

 

[Selanne00008]

One other note, the Rampart's regular season ends on March 15th.

What should be done is for Murray to sit down with him. Tell him to finish the season in the Q, it's just 2 months. Then come March the trade deadline should open up a roster spot or two. Give him a dozen games until early Apr and send him down to the Amerks for playoffs. He gets playing time and some more NHL money.

Seriously. It's TWO months. If what he said in his fb post is true about growing up sooo poor then he'll survive.

 

[Exique*]

Seriously. It's TWO months. If what he said in his fb post is true about growing up sooo poor then he'll survive.

Exactly, it's not like he'll be homeless during those 2 months. In my opinion he should've just accepted it and worked hard in order to prove how valuable he is.

 

[toejam56]

If it is about the money, he won't like Rochester either. AHL makes him 70k per year. Better than the Q but not NHL lettuce.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Disappointing... he should've took this to actually hone some defensive skill and show the new management that he can play.

Murray and co. Have zero relation to this guy... Maybe moving him would be something they now have in mind: I'm not saying they should, just a dumb move by Mikhail in my opinion.

 

[Selanne00008]

So what I'm not sure about is how to fix that. I don't want to necessarily break his confidence because ehe needs that to be successful. Say the Sabres decide to play him 15m in every game for the rest of the season, and he puts up 4g 6a in 40 games. I've played in a men's rec hockey league that was way above my skill level, and being outclassed by people stronger/better every single game really kills your desire.

I play in two leagues here in nyc. One I'm probly top two skater on my team, and yeah I put up points every game. Te other has plenty of D1 college skaters and I'm probly middle of the pack at best on the ice. But you know, I enjoy the faster pace league. I receive better passes, and while my read and react might be slower than norm I feel good about it.

That being said its not about developing Grigs in the Q. It's about his mentalality that he is owed or due top 6 minutes in the nhl already. He needs to earn it.

Has anyone asked what if that actually is his highest gear? Part of this might be amplified by being drafted so close to Girgensons who's on the other side of the spectrum.

Girgs and Grigs couldn't be farther from each other in terms of work ethic. How do you fix it? Man, idk. Force Grigs to room with girgs when he's back up with the sabres? I'm not sure if there is a way to fix it other than growing up.

 

[5 Minute Major]

Just wondering how he would be received in the Sabres locker room if management did buckle (which they won't) by his teammates.

I would imagine not all that well.

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

Just wondering how he would be received in the Sabres locker room if management did buckle (which they won't) by his teammates.

I would imagine not all that well.

The Sabres can't change their minds, though, right?

 

[SundherDome]

another point I could see Grigs making is, what if someone trying to get drafted this year unloads on him and he becomes Connolly or worse?

 

[JonathanWashington]

Girgs and Grigs couldn't be farther from each other in terms of work ethic. How do you fix it? Man, idk. Force Grigs to room with girgs when he's back up with the sabres? I'm not sure if there is a way to fix it other than growing up.

Put him on a line with zemgus and ott. But then again he should show up in the Q if assigned.

 

[IMLACHnME]

If he refuses to report to Quebec...

Can the Sabres walk away from their contract with Grigorenko if he refuses to report to the junior team in Quebec? If so, might this be precisely what they had hoped for?

 

[haseoke39]

This is really bad news.

I don't know what you could get for the kid, but I bet Murray's getting some calls tonight, hoping they can buy low.

Grigorenko has been jerked around. Ted Nolan should have had some brains between his ears to realize his job was not to win, it was to develop. And Murray should have taken better stock of the situation before making this decision.

I'm fearing that now there's probably nothing for the Sabres to do but lose a big piece of the rebuild for half price.

 

[Selanne00008]

Put him on a line with zemgus and ott.

You think he'd up his game?

Most likely he would float and make them go into the corners. I'd probly do that myself thinking they're better off in the corners and hitting, etc than me anyways.

 

[slip]

Not sure what this accomplishes for Grigorenko.

That's easy. It gets the ball which gets him out of Buffalo rolling.

No GM several days into his new job is going to stand for this, and I guess that was the plan all along from Grigorenko's standpoint.

 

[haseoke39]

This is the kind of ******** that makes me think I hope he has a short career.

 

[cybresabre]

Can the Sabres walk away from their contract with Grigorenko if he refuses to report to the junior team in Quebec? If so, might this be precisely what they had hoped for?

No, if they wanted his contract off the books for free, they could easily have traded him for peanuts and not suffer the embarrassment.

 

[JonathanWashington]

You think he'd up his game?

Most likely he would float and make them go into the corners. I'd probly do that myself thinking they're better off in the corners and hitting, etc than me anyways.

I can't remember him playing with anything more then 3rd or 4th liners. Though I think this idea would work.
Ultimately though, if the team wants to send him to the Q who cares. We are drafting low.