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Melvin said:
I'm not really sure what Jarmo does to always be left off of these lists. That was funny when they swept Tampa in the first round but was essentially the high water mark and the team looks to be terrible again.
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Jarmo seems to have the Ralph Krueger thing going where he's European and probably wears scarves so people assume he's really smart. I was definitely duped into thinking Krueger might be a genius, so throw me into that boat too. :laugh:

But you're right, Columbus has been mediocre for a long time. To be fair, the Canucks are the 5th worst team in the league points percentage wise since Jarmo was hired (includes one season of Gillis), while Columbus is 13th. That's not meaningfully different from some of the other mediocre GM's that have been in charge since 2013 - Treliving (9th), Bergevin (15th), Nill (17th) & Cheveldayoff (18th). Two of those guys have Finals appearances, but both were one-off flukes, not all that different from the Tampa sweep.
 
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vancityluongo said:
Jarmo seems to have the Ralph Krueger thing going where he's European and probably wears scarves so people assume he's really smart. I was definitely duped into thinking Krueger might be a genius, so throw me into that boat too. :laugh:

But you're right, Columbus has been mediocre for a long time. To be fair, the Canucks are the 5th worst team in the league points percentage wise since Jarmo was hired (includes one season of Gillis), while Columbus is 13th. That's not meaningfully different from some of the other mediocre GM's that have been in charge since 2013 - Treliving (9th), Bergevin (15th), Nill (17th) & Cheveldayoff (18th). Two of those guys have Finals appearances, but both were one-off flukes, not all that different from the Tampa sweep.
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All those guys have hung on far longer than I’d have thought really. Chevy tends to get a lot of rope due to the situation he came into I guess. Is Nill good?
 
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Melvin said:
I'm not really sure what Jarmo does to always be left off of these lists. That was funny when they swept Tampa in the first round but was essentially the high water mark and the team looks to be terrible again.
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I mean, they averaged 100 points/season from 2016-2020?

Their last year has been gross and they didn't have much playoff success, but he's on a totally different level from people like MacLean and Benning.
 
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I feel like Jarmo makes moves that aren't bad on the face of them, but they somehow don't work out for them more often than not. So atleast he's trying?
But certainly he's a tier or 2 above Benning.

Trieliving is the guy who needs to be on these lists.
 
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ProstheticConscience said:
I'd really like to believe this, but after the last seven years I just can't. Benning is the Pulford to AQ's Bill Wirtz. The Garth Snow to his Charles Wang. For whatever weird reason, they've clearly got some kind of synergy going that defies logic, reason, and results. They're just made for each other, and the rest of us be damned. Sucks but there it is.
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Yep, exactly this. Every time someone claims that Benning is making another desperate move to "save his job," I shake my head. I doubt that Benning's job has ever been in jeopardy. He's carrying out Aqua's mandate, he's letting Aqua liberally meddle and providing a convenient beard for him. As long as Fredo has control of the Canucks, DimJim is NEVER going to be fired. Further, I'm convinced that, if it ever looks like the media starts to turn on Benning, making his position as GM untanable, he will be moved upstairs and take over the vacant President slot: "After several years of loyal service as GM, drafting consecutive Calder winners and runners-up, the Canucks are please to announce Jim Benning has earned the position..." We are headed into full-blown Oilers territory here, with Benning being our version of Kevin Lowe.
 
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Iron Mike Sharpe said:
Yep, exactly this. Every time someone claims that Benning is making another desperate move to "save his job," I shake my head. I doubt that Benning's job has ever been in jeopardy. He's carrying out Aqua's mandate, he's letting Aqua liberally meddle and providing a convenient beard for him. As long as Fredo has control of the Canucks, DimJim is NEVER going to be fired. Further, I'm convinced that, if it ever looks like the media starts to turn on Benning, making his position as GM untanable, he will be moved upstairs and take over the vacant President slot: "After several years of loyal service as GM, drafting consecutive Calder winners and runners-up, the Canucks are please to announce Jim Benning has earned the position..." We are headed into full-blown Oilers territory here, with Benning being our version of Kevin Lowe.
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Benning's job was very obviously in jeopardy at the end of the season. 100%.

Whether this was because Aquilini himself strongly considered change or because his family was forcing him to consider it, I don't know.
 
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MS said:
Benning's job was very obviously in jeopardy at the end of the season. 100%.

Whether this was because Aquilini himself strongly considered change or because his family was forcing him to consider it, I don't know.
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That stretch of days was amazing. It seemed real change was coming, most of the fans were all on the same page, even the most ardent Benning supporters where open to the idea. Then Courtnall or Arthur Griffins or someone opened their stupid mouths and it all fell apart.
 
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ProstheticConscience said:
I'd really like to believe this, but after the last seven years I just can't. Benning is the Pulford to AQ's Bill Wirtz. The Garth Snow to his Charles Wang. For whatever weird reason, they've clearly got some kind of synergy going that defies logic, reason, and results. They're just made for each other, and the rest of us be damned. Sucks but there it is.
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Bill Wirtz didn't want to spend any money though (granted he didn't match Fredo's IQ either).
 
MS said:
Benning's job was very obviously in jeopardy at the end of the season. 100%.

Whether this was because Aquilini himself strongly considered change or because his family was forcing him to consider it, I don't know.
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You would think any Canucks GM's job would be in jeopardy after missing the playoffs but Friedman kept reporting that his sense was that he would be back. You obviously aren't willing to share more details about your claim of insider information but Friedman is pretty credible. Is your source Friedman level credible?
 
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carrotshirt said:


So the savior of the defensive structure is only going to be working with forwards and PP? And the defence is going to be run by the guy that’s overseen the last few years of train wreck. Sounds good! Plenty to be hopeful about.
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That makes sense because "defence" is not the 6 defencemen in the line-up, but rather the entire 18 skaters. It's called playing in 5 man units and it's pretty much impossible to play 4 on 5 in today's NHL.

Back in the day, the defencemen were hardly jumping in the play or couldn't make any skill plays unless they were elite. You didn't have to worry about forwards playing D as much. As the years went on, the 5 man unit was essential to winning. Every year forwards get more involved defensively because the defencemen become more creative with the puck.

So if Miller wants to be a C, he should watch how Bergeron and Kesler played. I think Sutter is probably the best at covering up defensively. If there's anything he does well, it's that.
 
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You would think any Canucks GM's job would be in jeopardy after missing the playoffs but Friedman kept reporting that his sense was that he would be back. You obviously aren't willing to share more details about your claim of insider information but Friedman is pretty credible. Is your source Friedman level credible?
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I mean, first off - before anything I say - it should be pretty obvious. They weren’t talking to Griffiths and Courtnall about future directions if they weren’t considering a change. And the Green-in-limbo situation to me was pretty obviously a case where they were waiting to make a decision on the GM.

But the information is better than Friedman speculation. I have absolutely zero doubt that it’s correct and if I could explain you’d understand why.
 
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MS said:
I mean, they averaged 100 points/season from 2016-2020?

Their last year has been gross and they didn't have much playoff success, but he's on a totally different level from people like MacLean and Benning.
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kind of like the islanders in 2001-2004? Idk, Milbury had some good teams too.
 
Melvin said:
kind of like the islanders in 2001-2004? Idk, Milbury had some good teams too.
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I'm as guilty as the next person of using Milbury as a meme for stupid GM'ing but the truth is he wasn't nearly as bad as his reputation.

Those 2001-2004 Islander teams were built off Milbury building the best blueline top-4 in the NHL (Hamrlik/Aucoin/Niinimaa/Jonsson) off of 4 lopsided trades in one of the best feats any GM has accomplished in the last 25 years.

Milbury was crazy, and erratic. 'He made two crazy stupid/bad trades that casuals have stayed latched on to nearly 20 years later but people also forget that in the Luongo case he stole the player from Toronto in a separate deal earlier, so there's a net cancel-out effect.

Compared to Benning Milbury is a freaking genius.
 
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Ryp37 said:
Jarmo also gets pity points because no one wants to stay in Ohio
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He's a good example of... lets call it peanut gallery judgment. Outside fans aren't going to follow every unremarkable small market team so they hyper focus on when they make the news, and for Columbus/Jarmo that was going all in on a playoff run, losing in the 2nd round, then run then losing his star goalie and forward to free agency. I would assume he knew he wasn't going to resign those two, which really wasn't any fault of his own, so he splurged on that playoff run now knowing he'd probably have to rebuild/retool shortly after. Which Columbus is now doing having just made 3 1st round picks.

Reminds me of Mike Gillis getting trashed hard for "the goalie situation". Which really was a problem that fell on his lap rather than one he created and with time to evaluate did a great job manoeuvring through it. But the peanut gallery doesn't pick up on the first part and their attention is long gone by the second.
 
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