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[M2Beezy]

Hey M2B. What’s new?

Not much, thinking of traveling next year maybe. If not possible maybe the year after, never travelled on my own before so I might have to bring TWO fanny packs

How bout you

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Clearly we are in for another disastrous season. So does Green get replaced by Shaw by game 20 or 40?
Does Benning get the axe during the season, or after?

I think that the only way Benning is given a pink slip is if the Canucks have a historically bad season.

They aren't going to pull the trigger if he makes the playoffs (obviously.)
I am seriously skeptical he'll be sent packing if they 'just miss' or are just generally mediocre but in the playoff race until the bitter end.

It's going to take them being really terrible and for a virulent fan reaction for Benning to go. He just got a new lease on life with this new rejiggering of the team with shipping out the three headed cap hit monster and bringing in OEL/Garland/Dickinson.

 

[Fatass]

I think that the only way Benning is given a pink slip is if the Canucks have a historically bad season.

They aren't going to pull the trigger if he makes the playoffs (obviously.)
I am seriously skeptical he'll be sent packing if they 'just miss' or are just generally mediocre.

It's going to take them being really terrible and for a virulent fan reaction for Benning to go. He just got a new lease on life with this new rejiggering of the team with shipping out the three headed cap hit monster and bringing in OEL/Garland/Dickinson.

I just want us to have a great team again, like the one Gillis built. And it’s blatantly obvious Benning isn’t capable of doing so. Every year that Benning is GM is going to take a good GM two years to fix.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Dimjim has to be gone when they miss again, has to be.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Dimjim has to be gone when they miss again, has to be.

I think he's going to be given this year as an 'adjustment period', and if the team stumbles next year, he's gone at first sign.

I'm just finding it hard to reconcile authorizing a bunch of money for buyouts, spending to the limit, making big trades and being the one in charge of getting EP/Hughes signed and not having some leeway being given.

But, if we go off of MS' conjecture that owners were willing to shift gears, then abruptly opted not to and go back to the well with Benning, it's going to be hard to know for sure given how mercurial ownership would be.

Maybe all it'll take for Benning to get ousted are some stale croutons in FAQ's caesar salad and a bad Canucks loss against Boston or Seattle.

This whole saga of ownership sticking to Benning has been very against type for them when compared to both Nonis and Gillis and how they were dumped at pretty much the first sign of trouble.

 

[The Vasili Jerry]

Not much, thinking of traveling next year maybe. If not possible maybe the year after, never travelled on my own before so I might have to bring TWO fanny packs

How bout you

Sounds like a good plan to me. Can never have too many fanny packs. Where you gonna go?
I’ve just been watching YouTube videos of Jim Benning press conferences all summer. Best series ever.

 

[rypper]

Get one of those under clothing, fanny packs. Protect your important documents and money!

 

[geebaan]

I keep seeing variations of this post:

“we are gonna be good in the playoffs”

can anyone post any empirical data at all to back up that claim? Instead of just “my feeling”.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I mean, it's my Mittens the Cat analogy and this is how it's been for 8 years.

We have this absolutely insane situation with this insanely unqualified moron running the team constantly saying and doing insanely stupid things, and 90% of the fanbase just acting like this insanity is totally normal somehow.

If you wrote this stuff into a half-hour sitcom about some podunk idiot who lucked himself into running a pro sports team, it would be considered too stupid to be believable.

This r***** is apparently paid $2 million/year to say he doesn't know why a $50 million investment has performed the way it has over a multi-year period.

Jim Benning is extremely pejorative.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I keep seeing variations of this post:

“we are gonna be good in the playoffs”

can anyone post any empirical data at all to back up that claim? Instead of just “my feeling”.

It’s a symptom of Montreal going on that stupid run.

 

[F A N]

Sounds like a good plan to me. Can never have too many fanny packs. Where you gonna go?
I’ve just been watching YouTube videos of Jim Benning press conferences all summer. Best series ever.

Well you know...

 

[Fatass]

Dimjim has to be gone when they miss again, has to be.

Sadly our owner thought going from a 100 watt bright bulb in Gillis to a 15 watt dullard in Benning was a good idea.

 

[logan5]

I guess I agree somewhat because of how variable hockey playoffs are.

If everything hits and OEL is his old #1D self of 5 years ago and Poolman was hiding as Chris tanev, and all the other variables improve - then we'll probably be a top ten team that could make a run.

But - I just don't like when teams do what we did (again by process and not the actual targets we had on D) unless they're at least in that ~7-10 range and they've got some depth in the prospect pool and it's sustainable. We were a bottom five team trying to push for a playoff spot. Not to even win the division or get far - the bar is at "let's make the playoffs and hope to get lucky"

It's just poor practice and I don't think you can convince me otherwise. There's just too much "hope". No one with hope and optimism is being realistic. I don't think we'll be as bad as we were this past season, but it's just frustrating because I don't see people realistically account for stagnation or regression. It's all "THIS GUY IS GOING TO IMPROVE AND EVERYONE IS GONNA GET BETTER"

A team with a young core like the Canucks, guys tend to improve and the team gets better. The Avalanche are an example of that, and of course Buffalo is an example of a team going the other direction. Imo the Canucks are following the Avalanche path. A young core that is maturing, with some pretty good pieces being added along the way. Elite status, here we come.

 

[RandV]

I mean, I am not super motivated to search for the oldest players in hockey so I can't really back up anything I'm about to say with facts, but I would bet that while it's probably a quite similar aging/talent curve, it's probably just far more apparent in forwards, who likely have plunging counting stats when they decline whereas defenders getting less mobile leads to them getting scored on more, which shows in plus/minus and advanced stats but not so much in the stats that are discussed by most fans.

A lot of this is probably because while forwards have to crash and bang the greats like Ray Bourque or Niklas Lidstrom are basically quarterbacks who can pace themselves and control how they receive contact. Or a Zdeno Chara is the one dishing out the punishment, not taking it. So when they're that good at it they can basically go their entire career without suffering any significant injuries. Just a random thought here but fans probably put too much emphasis on 'age' when looking at a players decline and not enough on injuries piling up.

OEL looks pretty good on the not-missing games part, but from what I understand some recurring knee/lower body injuries from the last few seasons have reduced his effectiveness from his peak season.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

and of course Buffalo is an example of a team going the other direction

By my calculations they are in year 19 of the scientifically proven 7-9 years 'consistent playoff team' rebuild plan

Here, have a list.

 

[M2Beezy]

I keep seeing variations of this post:

“we are gonna be good in the playoffs”

can anyone post any empirical data at all to back up that claim? Instead of just “my feeling”.

-Theres just something about this group
-GM Benning has built a deep lineup, unlike the other 2500+ days hes had to work with
-Pettersson and Horvat will be winners in the playoffs FACT
-My gut is telling me this is a good playoff team
-Foundational leadership when the games matter

 

[logan5]

By my calculations they are in year 19 of the scientifically proven 7-9 years 'consistent playoff team' rebuild plan

Here, have a list.

I wouldn't say that a 7 to 9 year rebuild is scientifically proven, because everybody has a different definition of a rebuild, and there are clearly teams that take longer than 9 years. What is scientifically proven is that the Colorado Avalanche went through a 9 year period where they made the play-offs only 2 times, Winnipeg jets went through... and so on. How you interpret that data is up to you, but there are clear conclusions you should draw from that data.

 

[VanillaCoke]

There's a substantial difference between conclusions you could draw and conclusions you should draw.

Most high-school students can make the distinctions given the information available.

 

[logan5]

There's a substantial difference between conclusions you could draw and conclusions you should draw.

Most high-school students can make the distinctions given the information available.

agreed

 

[Peen]

Listening to travis green podcast with negative media drance, he's saying he thinks he gets associated as not being a defensive coach because he said he wants them to play fast and aggressive lol.

Maybe it's because the team has never been able to defend at a high level under you, travis.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

-Theres just something about this group
-GM Benning has built a deep lineup, unlike the other 2500+ days hes had to work with
-Pettersson and Horvat will be winners in the playoffs FACT
-My gut is telling me this is a good playoff team
-Foundational leadership when the games matter

Brandon Sutter is absolutely foundational. He’s now on his third standard player contract as a Vancouver Canuck.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Listening to travis green podcast with negative media drance, he's saying he thinks he gets associated as not being a defensive coach because he said he wants them to play fast and aggressive lol.

Maybe it's because the team has never been able to defend at a high level under you, travis.

It really does seem like some people in the world don’t know that we now have access to nearly everything, often immediately.

 

[Grub]

Brandon Sutter is absolutely foundational. He’s now on his third standard player contract as a Vancouver Canuck.

You gotta have these foundational players to eat up ice time and run around the ice pretending they are a warrior, oh and the ocassional limping around when they lose the puck and block the shot.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

You gotta have these foundational players to eat up ice time and run around the ice pretending they are a warrior, oh an the ocassional limping when they lose the puck and block the shot.

League leader in fndn/60

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

I wouldn't say that a 7 to 9 year rebuild is scientifically proven, because everybody has a different definition of a rebuild, and there are clearly teams that take longer than 9 years. What is scientifically proven is that the Colorado Avalanche went through a 9 year period where they made the play-offs only 2 times, Winnipeg jets went through... and so on. How you interpret that data is up to you, but there are clear conclusions you should draw from that data.

We've gone from 'it takes 7-9 years to become a consistent playoff team' to 'some teams take 7-9 years to become a consistent playoff team' and 'there are different definitions of a rebuild.'

I wonder what could have possibly led to this shift.