Post-Game Talk: The Laine Show. Jets Win 4-3 in OT

[snowkiddin]

as posted on twitter, the odds of an in-season trade between a US and Canadian team are slim. player would miss around 7 games due to COVID protocols

Yep, no Laine trade will happen until the offseason.

 

[snowkiddin]

I'd prefer Shore over Thompson, based on what I've seen so far...

Interesting, Shore was decent defensively but useless beyond that. Not saying Thompson will be any better but I thought he was pretty equal to Shore last night.

 

[Gm0ney]

it was so brilliant, as was his pass to Connor.
if his skating is average (and his balance) and he's properly utilized....hoooboy. we're setting ourselves up for a summer of hurt this year.

Yes, his assist on Connor's PP goal was great too - and he faked like he was going to pass back to the point on that one to open up enough space to feed it across.

 

[Ippenator]

He is better at taking penalties, that is about it.

That is for sure a weakness for Perreault. But I don’t honestly understand people who see that Lowry gives any kind of value offensively. He is really good at preventing the other team from scoring and giving the quality scoring line players a good breather, without having to be afraid of getting scored against a lot when the scoring lines are resting.

But honestly thinking that Lowry gives any kind of value offensively is absolute rubbish. Any player in the team is practically better offensively than him (especially in playmaking). And he is also practically an offensive anchor, as any player that plays in the same line with him can pretty much forget about getting much of offensive production.

Also of the bottom 6 players Perreault is definitely the best with his vision and passing skills, which amounts as reasonably good playmaking, if he ever gets to play with any players with any kind of scoring talent. Although mostly he doesn’t play with those kind of players nowadays.

 

[ocdaddy]

There has been a lot of talk about the merits of better balancing our lines. If Roslovic returns, it would be interesting to try him on Scheifele's line and move Wheeler to the third line.
Rationale:
1) Even if he improves his speed after a Wheeleresque slow start he won't keep up with Scheifele and Ehlers. Roslovic will.
2) A little less 5x5 ice time and shift length will keep Blake fresher for the PP
3) The third line needs some offensive creativity and Wheeler can provide this. I think a Copp, Lowry Wheeler combo could be potent offensively and defensively.

See where I am going here, Paul?

Was thinking exactly the same thing. We both know the odds of that happening are as low as Wheeler not coming out to start OT.

 

[Halberdier]

The timeout and 5F powerplay was new and different


The lines were good, a lot of us figured 27-25-29 was going to be the second line, but 29 and 81 are great together.

Stas says he gave a speech in the intermission that rallied the guys. Interpret however, but some credit.

The 3-on-3 was effective as well. Could argue 29 just did his own thing there, though.

I thought when the 2nd penalty came that a decent coach would take a timeout right now to give Wheeler, Scheifele, Connor & Laine some break. I was really surprised that out of all coaches, PoMo did just that. Hats off.

Icing 55 with 26 rather than with 27 when 3-on-3 started was plain old bonehead PoMo though. Fortunately Flames did not score on that opportunity.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I'm not so sure about this. I don't think they create chances the same as an elite player does with great passes, but I do think their cycle/ wall game causes breakdowns - and they usually funnel the puck to the net. If you had someone on that line with some size and hands they could get in front and convert some of those chances. I think KV might fit that bill.

Yeah, he should get a shot there -- a literal shot, because he's a demon shooter with soft hands and speed and a strong board game. Hopefully that gets tried.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I think you can be critical of his play last night and still acknowledge that he will likely get better once he gets up to speed.

I also think you can be critical of the coach playing him 20 plus minutes when he's not going while the teams most dynamic player on the day got significantly less in terms of ice time.

Its not a big deal to me as its one game but I think Wheeler at age 34 is likely not able to handle as heavy of a load as in past years. I think 17 to 18 minutes is likely his sweet spot going forward and we have the winger depth that we can afford to play hi. In that minute range.

Reminds of late-period Buff, and how dominant he could playing fewer minutes at maximum stretch.

 

[42k]

We have 2 points. Laine got them for us.

Wheeler is even worse than expected. How do we get rid of that wasted $8,25m contract so we can sign Laine.

We need stability.... Resilience. Wheeler brings that. Laine has a lot of ups and downs.

 

[Tommigun]

He can playmake and create quality scoring chances ten times better than Lowry and also clearly better than Copp.

A line with Vesalainen, Copp and Perreault would be very interesting to see indeed. I think Perreault has more to give if he just can stay healthy.

 

[garret9]

Way too smal of sample size to read into things but here we go

 

[Gnova]

That is for sure a weakness for Perreault. But I don’t honestly understand people who see that Lowry gives any kind of value offensively. He is really good at preventing the other team from scoring and giving the quality scoring line players a good breather, without having to be afraid of getting scored against a lot when the scoring lines are resting.

But honestly thinking that Lowry gives any kind of value offensively is absolute rubbish. Any player in the team is practically better offensively than him (especially in playmaking). And he is also practically an offensive anchor, as any player that plays in the same line with him can pretty much forget about getting much of offensive production.

Also of the bottom 6 players Perreault is definitely the best with his vision and passing skills, which amounts as reasonably good playmaking, if he ever gets to play with any players with any kind of scoring talent. Although mostly he doesn’t play with those kind of players nowadays.

I think you are looking at 85 with five year old glasses.

 

[scelaton]

Way too smal of sample size to read into things but here we go

Doesn't matter.

We are hungry--feed us!

 

[jepjepjoo]

Hoping Mo will double shift Laine on the pp next game, as he should.

 

[Howard Chuck]

You spelled "Pionk" wrong...

Lol. So I did!

 

[garret9]

I think you are looking at 85 with five year old glasses.

Even with recent glasses, I'm still going Perreault > Lewis > Thompson in overall and in offense of the fourth liners.
Appleton hasn't shown a lot for offense other than grind and straightline offense, and Lowry has had only one good offensive showing season that's just as far back as Perreault's good years.

So it's not CRAZY out of the question to put Perreault as one of the better offensive players in the bottom six, even if he's very much a shaddow of his old self and that offense really isn't optimally what the Jets would want out of their bottom six.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Way too smal of sample size to read into things but here we go

I definitely don’t know how to read that because Laine didn’t look bad and dull.

 

[garret9]

I definitely don’t know how to read that because Laine didn’t look bad and dull.

Haha that's in shots and xGoals. We all are well versed in that Laine is one of the NHL's elite finishers so you have to put a multiplier on him for his offense. Him being there though does suggest where his defense was for that game.

Again, this is small samples too, so there's a large impact on results due to things like: chance, linemates, linematching, roles, randomness.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

If chevy trades laine before firing Maurice he should be fired as well. And if chipman let’s it happen then let Thompson take over

From 4th line to Ownership... that's asking a lot

 

[Howard Chuck]

Haha that's in shots and xGoals. We all are well versed in that Laine is one of the NHL's elite finishers so you have to put a multiplier on him for his offense. Him being there though does suggest where his defense was for that game.

Again, this is small samples too, so there's a large impact on results due to things like: chance, linemates, linematching, roles, randomness.

Just teasing. Except that I’m really not good at these things.

 

[ecolad]

During the 3rd period ,there were a couple shifts in particular where Niku/Beaulieu seemed to really get disorganized and make horrificblunders/turnovers. They had difficulty both in breaking up the cycle and securing puck possession, and, in advancing the puck out of the zone. . Niku made it worse for himself by attempting to do too much - attempting high-risk and imprudent passes rather than sticking to the boards when under huge pressure.

My own view is that this type of general disorganization and breakdown arises whenever the entire 5 man unit has failed. Niku became the lightning rod of attention here primarily because the breakout for this D pairing is from the right side. But perhaps we should look carefully at whether the C and the RW were positioning themselves properly and fulfilling their responsibilities before we attribute too much fault? Niku certainly does not yet have, and may never have, the experience/composure/confidence to essentially make-up for poor undisciplined play by the forwards in his unit.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

If players can have rust so can fans.
I swear I wasn't processing the game in the first like I normally do.
For example I was having trouble identifying who was screwing up (maybe because we were screwing up a lot).

Anyone else have a DVR malfunction? Mine taped a game at 9pm instead of 7pm.
Luckily I have that Fibe tv thingy so I could restart the game without too much of a problem.

Stastny seemed really ineffective in the first half or so of the game and then a lot better in the second half. Ehlers poke check dive in the O-zone to start the 2nd and led to Scheif's goal can't be overlooked.

If Roslovic was in the line up it would be interesting to see our bottom 6.

Good to get a win under our belt and Laine on that "Cadillac Board".
His move to rush the puck took...

 

[Tommigun]

The divide these Laine fans create is toxic

Well I’m a Laine fan and that Wheeler fan remark was directed at me.

 

[Tommigun]

If players can have rust so can fans.
I swear I wasn't processing the game in the first like I normally do.
For example I was having trouble identifying who was screwing up (maybe because we were screwing up a lot).

Anyone else have a DVR malfunction? Mine taped a game at 9pm instead of 7pm.
Luckily I have that Fibe tv thingy so I could restart the game without too much of a problem.

Stastny seemed really ineffective in the first half or so of the game and then a lot better in the second half. Ehlers poke check dive in the O-zone to start the 2nd and led to Scheif's goal can't be overlooked.

If Roslovic was in the line up it would be interesting to see our bottom 6.

Good to get a win under our belt and Laine on that "Cadillac Board".
His move to rush the puck took...

Thb I’m not missing Roslovic. He doesn’t have the grit for the bottom 6 or the skills for the top 6. I’d rather have grinders on the fourth line, something we didn’t really have last year, and I’m not sure he’s a fit for Lowry’s line.

And I was the same as you, I couldn’t even remember jersey numbers properly and had a hard time knowing where to focus when watching. It warmed up in the second and third for sure.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Hey, just because a guy is top ten in scoring over the past three years and is coming off a “horrible” game where he scored a point and was 75% xG and wasn’t on the ice for a single high danger chance against doesn’t mean he doesn’t suck.

Wheeler was a CF% of ~ 45% 5v5 and ~46% at EV. His special treatment by Maurice of 3 and 1/2 minutes on the powerplay boosts his stats.