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lomiller1
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That's because the Jets s*** at developing young talent. And, btw no they are not worse, Pionk is a liability that costs the Jets wins, moving on from him is addition by subtraction.
There is a pretty long list of young talent the Jets have developed.
Scheifele
Trouba
Helly
Morrissey
Lowry
Ehlers
Connor
Copp
Laine
Samberg
Perfetti
and a pretty long list of current prospects that have been developing very well.
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Not exactly. Niku was a 7th rd pick and Heinola was a 1st.
Agreed I wouldn't put Heinola in the same category. Heinola is a much better prospect, though I'm still waiting to see if Chevy opens up a spot for him.
If the Jets suck at developing talent, I'd say 25 teams in the NHL suck at it.
They didn't suck developing Samberg. He managed to make it past healthy scratches and being played behind Stanley and be even better for it.
Heinola can still be pretty good. But some patience is going to be required on his part. It may not come as soon as we all think, even with expectations changing.
Even if Heinola plays on theMoose this season, there will be a spot opening up after Dillon's departure after or during or before this season.
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I think they're just waiting for Heinola to be physically strong enough to endure the grind at the NHL level
In the AHL his lack of physical attributes vs lesser opponents isn't as noticeable
These kids take different amount of time to mature
In the AHL his lack of physical attributes vs lesser opponents isn't as noticeable
These kids take different amount of time to mature
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Roslovic too. He may not be a star or w/e but he’s an NHLer that’s in the lineup full time when not injured, I’d say that counts. Tanev was amazing here too.
We do really good when we have draft picks in the 1st round. We’ve had a few stinkers in there like Ves and Stan but the rest have been solid. All of them are full time NHLers.
I think we need to get better with our later round picks, easier said than done given its a crapshoot in the dark at that point, but our picks out of the first round need to be better. Recently it’s been better though, DiVincentiis looks like a steal and I hope he develops into what we need in net post-Bucky. I love what they did with the picks in Chibrikov, Kuzmin, and Rashevsky, more later picks from there pls (Belarus is also doing very well at producing home grown, young talent now). Salomonsson looks like a hit on RD. We shall see.
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They have drafted ok, but I don't think they contributed much on the development side, in fact most of these players fell short of what they should have been.
He won't play for the Moose, he'll be in the NHL either with the Jets or for another organization.
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Really interesting to see guys talking about Heinola's lack of size - if he's on the same progression as Morrissey... then he shows up to camp and is the same size as Demerol, Pionk, Schmidt, Jomo - around 190lbs
We are not heading into this year as a real contender... play Heinola for those first 40 games so you at least know if he can get his confidence back - we missed trading Stan at his most valuable and now there's likely almost no market for him - even if you're not a Heinola fan, you have to see the sense in seeing what he's worth or boosting his trade stock...
Jomo-Samberg
Dillon-Pionk
Heinola-DeMelo
Schmidt/Chisholm
See if Samberg can play his off-side... let Helle and Bross bail us out for the first 10-15 games during the learning curve
Stan traded, alt Pionk/Schmidt in PR, Chisholm I think you lose him, carry two D on your 23 man roster since you're probably trading Dillon at TD
We are not heading into this year as a real contender... play Heinola for those first 40 games so you at least know if he can get his confidence back - we missed trading Stan at his most valuable and now there's likely almost no market for him - even if you're not a Heinola fan, you have to see the sense in seeing what he's worth or boosting his trade stock...
Jomo-Samberg
Dillon-Pionk
Heinola-DeMelo
Schmidt/Chisholm
See if Samberg can play his off-side... let Helle and Bross bail us out for the first 10-15 games during the learning curve
Stan traded, alt Pionk/Schmidt in PR, Chisholm I think you lose him, carry two D on your 23 man roster since you're probably trading Dillon at TD
I am not sure about suck, i don't think they're really distinctly ahead of the pack. I would say they're middle of the pack perhaps a tad below? What are you basing this on?
id move on from Pionk too, but id actually replace him with a RHD who is good at both ends.
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Yup the shitty development thing is a meme with no real factual basis.
The guys that 'didn't develop' in the Jets system are not meaningful players in the NHL - if I'm wrong provide examples.
Drafting is a crap shoot. Guys who look like no brainers in the NHL end up not being able to take that next step. It is the very best league in the world.
190 lbs. for Heinola is hoping for a lot.
I wouldn't be moving Sammy to the right side just yet. Give him another season or two on the left side at least.
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Most sites have Heinola at 6’ or 6’1” and 180 -188.
I don’t think it’s a stretch at all that he starts this year at 190 or better.
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Ahh, so equals by lowest common denominator lol. Not disagreeing fwiw.
Oh, I have seen 5' 11" 178 lbs. at capfriendly.
Hockey db 5' 11" 178 lbs.
nhl.com has him as 6' 1" 185 lbs?
I guess some sites don't update as often as others do.
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On a two way deal with 95k in the AHL….
…Not that he would ever clear waivers. Just out of spite for demanding a trade as a 7D
