The Jarmo Thread

[Farmboy Patty]

This is SUCH a critical point to make. We don't get to complain ad nauseum about rushing prospects then moan and cry and scream about veteran signings who were signed SO AS NOT TO RUSH PROSPECTS.

But complaining is fun? Sometimes it’s the only fun when rooting for a team

The HFBoards average rate of posters complaints that contradict with other complaints by the same posters is 42 %. I’m proud to have a contradiction ratio of 41 %.

 

[Marioesque]

If one compares the Elvis of before and after Backstrom joined the goalie coaching team, I'd say Jarmo did a good job on that as well.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

If one compares the Elvis of before and after Backstrom joined the goalie coaching team, I'd say Jarmo did a good job on that as well.

Elvis seems to be on the right track again, and the shakeup with a new goalie coach probably has a big part in it. Tonight’s performance was excellent!

 

[Cyclones Rock]

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[Jovavic]

These games from Elvis are few and far in-between, he needs to do it more often before I'd give kudos to Jarmo for bringing up Backstrom.

 

[NotWendell]

These games from Elvis are few and far in-between, he needs to do it more often before I'd give kudos to Jarmo for bringing up Backstrom.

At least we've seen a proof of concept.

 

[Marioesque]

At least we've seen a proof of concept.

At least from what I have seen, last couple of seasons Elvis was always flopping around out of position and you knew the game was done. This season I haven't seen that panicked flopping at any point and he's not letting in 3 softies to start a game. Pretty solid work, I considered Elvis as an unplayable 5.5 million dollar anchor but he's played like an NHL starter all season so far. Team didn't go shopping, they fixed the problem instead. That's pretty good work in my book. Salvaging the reck that Elvis was.

 

[MoeBartoli]

At least from what I have seen, last couple of seasons Elvis was always flopping around out of position and you knew the game was done. This season I haven't seen that panicked flopping at any point and he's not letting in 3 softies to start a game. Pretty solid work, I considered Elvis as an unplayable 5.5 million dollar anchor but he's played like an NHL starter all season so far. Team didn't go shopping, they fixed the problem instead. That's pretty good work in my book. Salvaging the reck that Elvis was.

I agree with about everything you posted except I think it’s still too early to conclude they’ve salvaged Elvis though things so far look promising.

 

[Napoli]

It was pretty apparent that Legace wasn't a competent goalie coach. I'm not sure why he stuck around for as long as he did as Elvis was only damaged during his time here.

I'm happy Elvis is playing better but let's not claim Jarmo as some genius when he was the guy who keep Legace around for so long in the first place.

 

[Monstershockey]

It was pretty apparent that Legace wasn't a competent goalie coach. I'm not sure why he stuck around for as long as he did as Elvis was only damaged during his time here.

I'm happy Elvis is playing better but let's not claim Jarmo as some genius when he was the guy who keep Legace around for so long in the first place.

Yet other goalies in the system were doing fine. I give Elvis credit for pushung his ego aside and finally listening to a coach. He obviously wasn't playing well doing things his own way.

 

[Napoli]

Yet other goalies in the system were doing fine. I give Elvis credit for pushung his ego aside and finally listening to a coach. He obviously wasn't playing well doing things his own way.

Were they?

When Elvis was floundering there was no one to save him or this team. Don't really think you can call that successful

 

[Monstershockey]

Were they?

When Elvis was floundering there was no one to save him or this team. Don't really think you can call that successful

Korpisalo was a .500 goalie last year, with a .911 save percentage, behind the same putrid defense. While Tarasov was bad, as we have seen, he was never really right after his surgery as he is still out. I guess the excuses only go to Elvis.

The only person that could have saved Elvis last year would have been Elvis. Who knows, had he started paying attention to his coaches more, he might have improved last year.

I am glad he seems to be finding his game and clearing his head. It's better he does so that his contract doesn't look as bad.

 

[Napoli]

Korpisalo was a .500 goalie last year, with a .911 save percentage, behind the same putrid defense. While Tarasov was bad, as we have seen, he was never really right after his surgery as he is still out. I guess the excuses only go to Elvis.

The only person that could have saved Elvis last year would have been Elvis. Who knows, had he started paying attention to his coaches more, he might have improved last year.

I am glad he seems to be finding his game and clearing his head. It's better he does so that his contract doesn't look as bad.

Play style alone is the difference for me. Elvis isn't flopping around anymore or at least not as much. I guess you could argue Elvis wasn't listening to Manny but I doubt it. Backstrom appears to have helped him rely more on positioning which has always been a big weakness of Elvis.

We'll know in the long term, i.e. if Elvis continues to improve.

The main point was that Jarmo hired both of these guys, making an error and fixing it doesn't really consistitute a great job imo.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Play style alone is the difference for me. Elvis isn't flopping around anymore or at least not as much. I guess you could argue Elvis wasn't listening to Manny but I doubt it. Backstrom appears to have helped him rely more on positioning which has always been a big weakness of Elvis.

We'll know in the long term, i.e. if Elvis continues to improve.

The main point was that Jarmo hired both of these guys, making an error and fixing it doesn't really consistitute a great job imo.

IMO making errors and doing good decisions is the real life of being in an executive position. But yeah,let’s not give credit where credit is due, only bad decisions count because it’s, logical?

 

[Sdrawkcab321]

Extend Jarmo!

 

[NotWendell]

IMO making errors and doing good decisions is the real life of being in an executive position. But yeah,let’s not give credit where credit is due, only bad decisions count because it’s, logical?

But let's not have knee-jerk reactions that reward short-term results which may not indicate a long-term fix. Let's see if Elvis can maintain his current form.

 

[Napoli]

IMO making errors and doing good decisions is the real life of being in an executive position. But yeah,let’s not give credit where credit is due, only bad decisions count because it’s, logical?

I said a great job. Fixing the error you committed doesn't constitute that. It's constitutes an adequate job. He doesn't deserve praise for fixing his own f*** up.

 

[BB88]

Thats not our job. Even if we like what he did (plenty dont) hes had almost 11 years now to get results and aside from a small window where they were legit its been failures. I think hes good at acquiring talent but not so good at building a team. That and the whole contract signing thing

They had the best run in the franchise history prior to going into rebuild.

They are rebuilding now and have been post 2021. Many seem to forget and keep demanding success on the ice.

While at the same time those same fans can praise the rebuild Detroit has been doing, that started like 2017 and they are now starting to look average.
Rebuilds take years& they shouldn’t just abandon it all of a sudden which is what many seem to demand while demanding a better rebuild at the same time.

They’ve made mistakes, no doubt about it but lot of fans here for example have double standards when it comes to Columbus doing a rebuild vs other teams doing a rebuild

 

[majormajor]

They had the best run in the franchise history prior to going into rebuild.

They are rebuilding now and have been post 2021. Many seem to forget and keep demanding success on the ice.

While at the same time those same fans can praise the rebuild Detroit has been doing, that started like 2017 and they are now starting to look average.
Rebuilds take years& they shouldn’t just abandon it all of a sudden which is what many seem to demand while demanding a better rebuild at the same time.

They’ve made mistakes, no doubt about it but lot of fans here for example have double standards when it comes to Columbus doing a rebuild vs other teams doing a rebuild

I don't expect the team to be very good right now given that they are largely a group of kids and relearning how to win as a group. That's somewhat separate for me from the Jarmo discussion, his decision making in the last couple years has been frighteningly bad.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

I said a great job. Fixing the error you committed doesn't constitute that. It's constitutes an adequate job. He doesn't deserve praise for fixing his own f*** up.

You are missing my point. What is the net sum of this case? We don’t know yet, but it seems like the GM is doing GM work. being right in hindsight is only reserved to HFB posters.

 

[Napoli]

You are missing my point. What is the net sum of this case? We don’t know yet, but it seems like the GM is doing GM work. being right in hindsight is only reserved to HFB posters.

There's no missing of the point. You made a knee jerk comment about only criticizing Jarmo, I'm pointing out that him fixing his mistake is not really praise worthy. If we wait and see and the move doesn't work out, Jarmo would have screwed up twice. People in those positions are allowed to be critiqued.

 

[LJ7]

Failing 3 HC hires in a row is tough. Jarmo has done nothing when he hasn't had one of the best coaches in the NHL and since Torts he has struck out.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Peeke and Gubransson take up 6,75m of salary cap. That is worth a good top 4 Dman. Instead there's 2 guys who actively hurt the team.

A base principle of a good NHL team is to use cap space efficiently. Jarmo might be the worst GM in the league at that

 

[Youngguns1380]

Per AP’s article in The Athletic Sunday Gathering

• Kekäläinen remained in the New York metro area when the Blue Jackets flew to Raleigh after Friday’s win in New Jersey. He stuck around to do some scouting and was spotted at Saturday’s Islanders-Flyers game.

My thoughts - Could he be looking at Pageau - rumors are he is eyeing a center. We need a center with faceoff experience. Could have used him today for those defensive draws against Carolina. Although Lindholm is even better at faceoffs and rumors are he played well with Johnny Hockey.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Per AP’s article in The Athletic Sunday Gathering

• Kekäläinen remained in the New York metro area when the Blue Jackets flew to Raleigh after Friday’s win in New Jersey. He stuck around to do some scouting and was spotted at Saturday’s Islanders-Flyers game.

My thoughts - Could he be looking at Pageau - rumors are he is eyeing a center. We need a center with faceoff experience. Could have used him today for those defensive draws against Carolina. Although Lindholm is even better at faceoffs and rumors are he played well with Johnny Hockey.

I hope not. Don’t want another 3rd line player, even if he is a center.