The Jarmo Thread

[squashmaple]

2. The inability to surround young talent with veteran talent is the surest way to ruin your young talent. Look at Edmonton and Buffalo. That is why I think he adds guys like Gudbranson, Severson, etc. The length of those contracts is the sticking point but players tend to be easier to move late in their contracts especially if/when the cap goes up.

This is SUCH a critical point to make. We don't get to complain ad nauseum about rushing prospects then moan and cry and scream about veteran signings who were signed SO AS NOT TO RUSH PROSPECTS.

 

[Youngguns1380]

Eric Tulsky - I am going to keep posting this name whenever we talk about next CBJ GM.

 

[koteka]

This is SUCH a critical point to make. We don't get to complain ad nauseum about rushing prospects then moan and cry and scream about veteran signings who were signed SO AS NOT TO RUSH PROSPECTS.

New Jersey wanted to add a veteran wing and they added Palat who was a key piece for Tampa Bay’s successful Cup runs. Then they started winning.

We want to add a veteran defenseman and we add guys who havent won anything and have played on awful teams. And then we suck.

I wonder if there is a lesson there.

 

[Cheddarcheese]

Eric Tulsky aint the guy.
9 season in a row Carolina missed the playoffs lmao talk about rebuild

i think we missed out on tyler toffoli he would have been nice for one year

 

[CBJx614]

New Jersey wanted to add a veteran wing and they added Palat who was a key piece for Tampa Bay’s successful Cup runs. Then they started winning.

We want to add a veteran defenseman and we add guys who havent won anything and have played on awful teams. And then we suck.

I wonder if there is a lesson there.

There's only so many "key piece of a Stanley cup run" players to go around. And most of them are still on their teams that got them there. I'm sure Jarmo would love to go add some of those key pieces, but it takes two to tango to get a FA(which you're also going to overpay for) and it's even harder to trade for one of those pieces without giving up too much.

 

[koteka]

There's only so many "key piece of a Stanley cup run" players to go around. And most of them are still on their teams that got them there. I'm sure Jarmo would love to go add some of those key pieces, but it takes two to tango to get a FA(which you're also going to overpay for) and it's even harder to trade for one of those pieces without giving up too much.

If Jarmo had only had 1 or 2 off seasons, maybe you would have a point. He‘s had 11 freaking years to add a vet or two with a winning history to help this team which is always one of the youngest teams in the league. Heck, 1 year of cup winner Erik Johnson makes more sense than 8 years of Severson. Every year there are a few guys from Cup winners that a team can’t afford to keep. Our only guy with Cup experience is Kuraly.

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

Dude sucks.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

New Jersey wanted to add a veteran wing and they added Palat who was a key piece for Tampa Bay’s successful Cup runs. Then they started winning.

We want to add a veteran defenseman and we add guys who havent won anything and have played on awful teams. And then we suck.

I wonder if there is a lesson there.

There's only so many "key piece of a Stanley cup run" players to go around. And most of them are still on their teams that got them there. I'm sure Jarmo would love to go add some of those key pieces, but it takes two to tango to get a FA(which you're also going to overpay for) and it's even harder to trade for one of those pieces without giving up too much.

It works every time though. Like when the Jackets added Sammi Pahlsson, who was key in the Ducks' Cup win in '07 and then helped elevate this franchise to new heights.

 

[CBJx614]

If Jarmo had only had 1 or 2 off seasons, maybe you would have a point. He‘s had 11 freaking years to add a vet or two with a winning history to help this team which is always one of the youngest teams in the league. Heck, 1 year of cup winner Erik Johnson makes more sense than 8 years of Severson. Every year there are a few guys from Cup winners that a team can’t afford to keep. Our only guy with Cup experience is Kuraly.

He's added vets, but not every move is a guaranteed success, you can say Erik Johnson would make sense but we don't know that until he's in the room. How do you know he hasn't tried to go get more guys?


Nyquist was an amazing veteran addition

As was Voracek, he'd be an amazing voice in the locker room right now, but sometimes shit just doesn't work out.



It's not just about Stanley cup experience it's about getting the right guys with the right attitude(and not getting taken to the cleaners to acquire them)

And yes he's had 11 years, but we're talking about two entirely different teams in that time frame. And it might not be the best idea to make a big move to add that SC experience right at the beginning of a retool/build when we aren't likely to make the playoffs.

 

[stevo61]

Eric Tulsky aint the guy.
9 season in a row Carolina missed the playoffs lmao talk about rebuild

i think we missed out on tyler toffoli he would have been nice for one year

Weird stance to take when Carolina has made the playoffs every year hes been an assistant GM and 2 of the 3 years he was director of analytics. Maybe he should have done his job better before he got it? Almost seems like they got better when they got the right people in the right places

 

[DarkandStormy]

Eric Tulsky aint the guy.
9 season in a row Carolina missed the playoffs lmao talk about rebuild

i think we missed out on tyler toffoli he would have been nice for one year

Jackets are about to miss the playoffs for the 4th year in a row (would be 5 but for the expanded Bubble playoff field in 2020).

 

[ColumbusTrill]

Jackets are about to miss the playoffs for the 4th year in a row (would be 5 but for the expanded Bubble playoff field in 2020).

Not to be a dork but the cbj were very much right in the playoff picture that season before it got postponed. I don't think that should be held against Jarmo. That team was actually quite good before everyone got hurt at the end of the season

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Jackets are about to miss the playoffs for the 4th year in a row (would be 5 but for the expanded Bubble playoff field in 2020).

Don't bore us with details

 

[DarkandStormy]

Not to be a dork but the cbj were very much right in the playoff picture that season before it got postponed. I don't think that should be held against Jarmo. That team was actually quite good before everyone got hurt at the end of the season

That team was fading, Bjorkstrand and Jones were out with broken ankles, and Elvis or Korpi (or both?) were battling injuries. Without covid, that team doesn't make the playoffs.

 

[ColumbusTrill]

That team was fading, Bjorkstrand and Jones were out with broken ankles, and Elvis or Korpi (or both?) were battling injuries. Without covid, that team doesn't make the playoffs.

right, read what i wrote again

 

[majormajor]

That team was fading, Bjorkstrand and Jones were out with broken ankles, and Elvis or Korpi (or both?) were battling injuries. Without covid, that team doesn't make the playoffs.

With Torts at the helm you never know how the lineup relates to winning. Unless you think this year's Flyers have a terrific lineup.

It's also implicit in this that if that team didn't have terrible injury luck they'd also have a pretty good shot at making the playoffs without covid, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make regarding Jarmo. Like the actual fact is that that team did make the playoffs, they even won a play in round to do it.

 

[squashmaple]

With Torts at the helm you never know how the lineup relates to winning. Unless you think this year's Flyers have a terrific lineup.

It's also implicit in this that if that team didn't have terrible injury luck they'd also have a pretty good shot at making the playoffs without covid, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make regarding Jarmo. Like the actual fact is that that team did make the playoffs, they even won a play in round to do it.

Just re-read his username. His point is always the most negative one, to the point when he got banned at the cannon, he made an ironic new account called BrightandSunny.

 

[majormajor]

Just re-read his username. His point is always the most negative one, to the point when he got banned at the cannon, he made an ironic new account called BrightandSunny.

Oh I know, I've been going back and forth with D&S for ten years.

There's several posters who are so negative by default, that they'll seamlessly switch from "no moral victories results only" to trying to argue that a team that actually made the playoffs (for the fourth year in a row) doesn't really count.

 

[Cowumbus]

What is the cannon?

 

[Cheddarcheese]

WE ARE BACK BABY!

 

[jonu]

Yea were gonna have to disagree on Werenski > Jones thing. Zach sure as hell isn't taking the reins by himself either. He looks soft and hesitant in his own zone this year.

Cole did play himself on the team but after that first year they just kept him up even when he was awful. Not having that high of a ceiling isn't a reason to have kept him up. They could of chose to send him down and they didn't, that's on Jarmo.

Look at Gudbranson's TOI numbers, they're not 3rd pairing minutes. He's been playing over 20 mins because there's no one else.

Just go read what Hawks fans think about Jones, I rather have Zach who can actually bounce back because he has some hockey IQ instead of all tools no toolbox Jones. Zach has come back from a big injury and with time he will get more comfortable, especially if the team manages to improve itself from this tire fire..

Gudbranson plays 16mins on ES and 3+ mins PK on average, making his season average 19 minutes. Of course with Severson out he probably has to play more now, but he was obviously slotted for 3rd pairing this season. For comparison Jake Bean has played 15mins on average from the third pair.

 

[Napoli]

Just go read what Hawks fans think about Jones, I rather have Zach who can actually bounce back because he has some hockey IQ instead of all tools no toolbox Jones. Zach has come back from a big injury and with time he will get more comfortable, especially if the team manages to improve itself from this tire fire..

Gudbranson plays 16mins on ES and 3+ mins PK on average, making his season average 19 minutes. Of course with Severson out he probably has to play more now, but he was obviously slotted for 3rd pairing this season. For comparison Jake Bean has played 15mins on average from the third pair.

I hope he improves, he's making a ton and the team needs him to be that #1 dman. His track record shows he's not good enough defensively, at least not consistently. They both are probably overpaid but I know which style I prefer.

Gudbranson luckily has been put back on the 3rd pair after a couple game experiment with Werenski on the first that didn't go well.

Zach's D partner changing every other game isn't a good sign imo.

 

[Youngguns1380]

 

[DarkandStormy]

Just re-read his username. His point is always the most negative one, to the point when he got banned at the cannon, he made an ironic new account called BrightandSunny.

This is libel.

My name comes from my favorite cocktail. Try it sometime.

I also never got banned from any site. I made a fun bet to change my name if the team made it to the playoffs in 2018. They did so I followed through on the bet.

No idea how or why people make stuff up but there you go.

 

[Cowumbus]

To add onto that, I was looking through Jarmos recent draft picks... and they really aren’t that great for a “draft wizard” Keep in mind we have had 8 first round picks, 7 second round, 7 third round picks since he came here. 2013/14 were especially bad. BRING ON THE HATE!

No my point is that for being considered a “draft wizard” Jarmo has been brutally average.

In 2019 I said this regarding Jarmo’s drafting ability. The athletic put out an article today ranking the best drafting teams since 2007. So now is probably a long enough time to look back on the draft. The Jackets ranked 24th in the NHL. I understand that Jarmo was not here 2007-2012, however, from 2013 - 2018 he has accounted for 10 wins less than expected, added through the draft. They stop the calculations in 2018, but our 2019 & 2020 drafts combined look to have at best 3 NHL players. https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2023/11/22193314/ColumbusDraft.png

Ranking the NHL’s best and worst drafting teams since 2007: 16-1

These are the teams ranked from 16 to 1 using our thorough analysis of NHL Draft data.

theathletic.com

“The Blue Jackets faithful deserve a winning franchise given how electric their arena is when games matter. They don’t have much of that though, and it starts at the draft where things have been a little up-and-down.
In 2013, the team hired Jarmo Kekäläinen and his first draft was an immediate improvement, nabbing Oliver Bjorkstrand and Alex Wennberg. In the years that followed, they added Zach Werenski and Pierre-Luc Dubois to an already deep team, but it wasn’t quite enough to put them over the top. Other selections didn’t move the needle enough (and Andrew Peeke moved it in the wrong direction in 2016 as a sub-replaceme
nt-level defender).
Recent drafts look like they have the potential to be promising as the Blue Jackets have fallen into a much-needed rebuild. But the track record before that hasn’t been the best.”