The Jarmo Thread

[Viqsi]

IMO Jarmo is doing the same thing IDWT did

Not even in the same universe - and to compare that destructive egomanaiacal ass to anyone in the current front office is not just naive and inaccurate, it's actively insulting. Kekalainen has put together genuinely competitive rosters, although his best wasn't able to last because of players that never intended to stick around. MacLean has "I drafted Rick Nash" and a legacy of listening to nobody, kicking out good folks who didn't do exactly what he wanted immediately, alienating professionals shortly after he brought them in, and repeated failures at the draft. Comparing them is like trying to compare Scott Arniel to Scotty Bowman.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Jarmo is the 4th longest tenured GM in the league. He's coming up on 10 years as GM.

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For a guy whose teams have won one real playoff series and never finished higher than 3rd place in a division, that is remarkable staying power.

Ownership needs to dump him and JD pronto. Enough is enough. This team sucks to the high heavens and there's nothing (Bedard/whoever) that's going to change that in the next few years. He has assembled a group of goalies who would be hard-pressed to excel in the AHL. In fact, I honestly don't think that Elvis would be the #1 goalie on the team I watch the most (ECHL Cincinnati Cyclones). Beck Warm is better than he is.

Other than Kent Johnson, there isn't a "prospect" who looks to be in the "can't miss" category. The organization is full of Carson Meyers and the next Eric Robinsons. Jarmo's scouting/drafting ability is highly overrated.

The only good news is that that ownership can't hire from within to replace Jarmo. Zito has turned a Presidential Trophy team into a .500 team in 2 years and MacFarland is now in Colorado.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Jarmo is the 4th longest tenured GM in the league.

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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For a guy whose teams have won one real playoff series and never finished higher than 3rd place in a division, that is remarkable staying power.

Ownership needs to dump him and JD pronto. Enough is enough. This team sucks to the high heavens and there's nothing (Bedard/whoever) that's going to change that in the next few years. He has assembled a group of goalies who would be hard-pressed to excel in the AHL. In fact, I honestly don't think that Elvis would be the #1 goalie on the team I watch the most (ECHL Cincinnati Cyclones). Beck Warm is better than he is.

Other than Kent Johnson, there isn't a "prospect" who looks to be in the "can't miss" category. The organization is full of Carson Meyers and the next Eric Robinsons. Jarmo's scouting/drafting ability is highly overrated.

The only good news is that that ownership can't hire from within to replace Jarmo. Zito has turned a Presidential Trophy team into a .500 team in 2 years and MacFarland is now in Colorado.

Josh Flynn has been floated as a GM candidate (elsewhere) for over a year, if I'm not mistaken.

So they could hire from within lol

 

[CBJx614]

Jarmo is the 4th longest tenured GM in the league. He's coming up on 10 years as GM.

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

For a guy whose teams have won one real playoff series and never finished higher than 3rd place in a division, that is remarkable staying power.

Ownership needs to dump him and JD pronto. Enough is enough. This team sucks to the high heavens and there's nothing (Bedard/whoever) that's going to change that in the next few years. He has assembled a group of goalies who would be hard-pressed to excel in the AHL. In fact, I honestly don't think that Elvis would be the #1 goalie on the team I watch the most (ECHL Cincinnati Cyclones). Beck Warm is better than he is.

Other than Kent Johnson, there isn't a "prospect" who looks to be in the "can't miss" category. The organization is full of Carson Meyers and the next Eric Robinsons. Jarmo's scouting/drafting ability is highly overrated.

The only good news is that that ownership can't hire from within to replace Jarmo. Zito has turned a Presidential Trophy team into a .500 team in 2 years and MacFarland is now in Colorado.

I dunno, that 19 yr Czech Dman who is over a PPG in the AHL seems pretty f***in good.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Not even in the same universe - and to compare that destructive egomanaiacal ass to anyone in the current front office is not just naive and inaccurate, it's actively insulting. Kekalainen has put together genuinely competitive rosters, although his best wasn't able to last because of players that never intended to stick around. MacLean has "I drafted Rick Nash" and a legacy of listening to nobody, kicking out good folks who didn't do exactly what he wanted immediately, alienating professionals shortly after he brought them in, and repeated failures at the draft. Comparing them is like trying to compare Scott Arniel to Scotty Bowman.

I guess I am naive and will leave it at that.
If the choice is a Egomaniac or a Guy who can't win with a high payroll then I would choose NEITHER and try with someone else.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

I dunno, that 19 yr Czech Dman who is over a PPG in the AHL seems pretty f***in good.

Oops. I forgot about him. Give Jarmo and JD 10 year extensions.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Oops. I forgot about him. Give Jarmo and JD 10 year extensions.

In all seriousness, Jarmo is signed through the '24-'25 season. JD through 2026 I believe.

If '23-'24 is another disaster, I could see them just eating that final year of his deal and firing him in the spring of '24. Or if there is some life (above hockey-.500, let's say) next season but a playoffs miss in '24-'25, then letting him go in the spring of '25.

That is, of course, glass half empty, not making the playoffs type of assumption. I guess it's within the realm of possibilities that this team is "contending" (aka making the playoffs) by 2025. At that point, there's more of a decision to make.

JD is 69, turns 70 in a couple months. I have a hard time believing he's going to want an extension beyond 2026 to keep doing this into his mid to late 70s.

 

[Youngguns1380]

Not even in the same universe - and to compare that destructive egomanaiacal ass to anyone in the current front office is not just naive and inaccurate, it's actively insulting. Kekalainen has put together genuinely competitive rosters, although his best wasn't able to last because of players that never intended to stick around. MacLean has "I drafted Rick Nash" and a legacy of listening to nobody, kicking out good folks who didn't do exactly what he wanted immediately, alienating professionals shortly after he brought them in, and repeated failures at the draft. Comparing them is like trying to compare Scott Arniel to Scotty Bowman.

I stopped working in hockey because of Doug MacLean. I can tell you firsthand he is top 2 of the worst people I every worked with in any capacity.

I am not on the train of firing Jarmo. He just needs to bring someone in not Josh Flynn whose strength is the day to day to help enable the strengths of Jarmo (draft, talent evaluator, trades, etc)

 

[Jovavic]

The year we finished third in Metro was the year we finished fourth in the entire league

 

[JacketFanInFL]

I stopped working in hockey because of Doug MacLean. I can tell you firsthand he is top 2 of the worst people I every worked with in any capacity.

I am not on the train of firing Jarmo. He just needs to bring someone in not Josh Flynn to whose strength is the day to day to help enable the strengths of Jarmo (draft, talent evaluator, trades, etc)

I still get moments of cringe in my head when I think about Flynn in that video when they were pondering signing Johnny Gaeudrau.

 

[majormajor]

I am not on the train of firing Jarmo. He just needs to bring someone in not Josh Flynn to whose strength is the day to day to help enable the strengths of Jarmo (draft, talent evaluator, trades, etc)

That all sounds good. I don't think we know who was pushing what within the FO. Weissbock and Lawrence built an NHLe model years ago so maybe they're why we've leaned harder into drafting prospects that are strong producers in that metric (Mateychuk, Dumais, Dolzhenkov, etc...). Beyond that who made what decisions? Who were the voices that decided trading Bjorkstrand was smart? Or giving Gudbranson a 4x4? If we knew that we'd have a lot to say about what should happen to those people's jobs. But we don't know that stuff.

 

[Viqsi]

I stopped working in hockey because of Doug MacLean. I can tell you firsthand he is top 2 of the worst people I every worked with in any capacity.

I am not on the train of firing Jarmo. He just needs to bring someone in not Josh Flynn to whose strength is the day to day to help enable the strengths of Jarmo (draft, talent evaluator, trades, etc)

I don't think Flynn is doing horribly or anything, but I wouldn't mind an upgrade if one's available. He doesn't act in a manner that inspires confidence when the cameras are rolling, but, meh, that doesn't necessarily mean he's bad at his job.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Jarmo is the 4th longest tenured GM in the league. He's coming up on 10 years as GM.

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For a guy whose teams have won one real playoff series and never finished higher than 3rd place in a division, that is remarkable staying power.

This is my bigest fear:

We aren't trying to win a Stanley Cup. We are striving for mediocrity. This team is so bad now that becoming mediocre is an improvement. We were mediocre before and when they let it fall apart they tried to claim we would still be competitive. (a.k.a. "be mediocre")

Keeping Torts when he didn't want to be here is striving for mediocrity. Hiring an unknown coach with no significant head coaching track record is striving for mediocrity. Hiring a defensive coach who then refused to be vaccinated and was fired before training camp only to replace him with an AHL defensive coach at the last minute just because he was already here is striving for mediocrity.

Maybe this time he'll get it right but we are reaching (or have reached) the point where we can't afford to get it wrong. Decisions that have gotten us to this point scare me.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Whenever a GM change happens, I want the first GM interview question be to name the two worst contracts signed in 2022 summer. If you answer Chiarot and Goodbransson you may enter the next round of questions.

 

[Youngguns1380]

I don't think Flynn is doing horribly or anything, but I wouldn't mind an upgrade if one's available. He doesn't act in a manner that inspires confidence when the cameras are rolling, but, meh, that doesn't necessarily mean he's bad at his job.

Look he just doesn’t inspire confidence. He may do an adequate job but I think we want someone better than adequate and don’t want Flynn in Columbus’s GM Chair. This has nothing to do with cameras and weird gestures. When Chris MacFarland was here and I know everyone is going to say hindsight is 20/20 but he just had that it factor and was well respected by everyone. He managed Cleveland and help put that team together including staff that eventually won the Calder.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Look he just doesn’t inspire confidence. He may do an adequate job but I think we want someone better than adequate and don’t want Flynn in Columbus’s GM Chair. This has nothing to do with cameras and weird gestures. When Chris MacFarland was here and I know everyone is going to say hindsight is 20/20 but he just had that it factor and was well respected by everyone. He managed Cleveland and help put that team together including staff that eventually won the Calder.

Jarmo is the epitome of “inspires confidence” from a personality perspective and yet the point of the exercise is firing him.

 

[Viqsi]

Jarmo is the epitome of “inspires confidence” from a personality perspective and yet the point of the exercise is firing him.

YG80 is already on record as not being on that train.

 

[Viqsi]

Look he just doesn’t inspire confidence. He may do an adequate job but I think we want someone better than adequate and don’t want Flynn in Columbus’s GM Chair. This has nothing to do with cameras and weird gestures. When Chris MacFarland was here and I know everyone is going to say hindsight is 20/20 but he just had that it factor and was well respected by everyone. He managed Cleveland and help put that team together including staff that eventually won the Calder.

Does the AGM really have to inspire to do the job, though?

 

[majormajor]

We're wading into the darkness on this convo when we start talking about the necessary characteristics of AGMs. We don't know enough about their job performance to have this convo. We don't know what moves they were pushing or fighting against.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

FIRE TORTS!

*ahem*

 

[EspenK]

The year we finished third in Metro was the year we finished fourth in the entire league

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

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It’s true. That team was fake good and nobody really enjoyed it and they didn’t do anything That season different than any of the other shit seasons in franchise history so they probably shouldn’t have bothered and just tried for a good draft pick instead.

 

[LJ7]

Let the record state that I don't care that our assistant GM doesn't have swag

 

[Viqsi]

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Because of course any success we've seen is entirely meaningless and not as a result of any actions or planning whatsoever. Uhhuh.

And people think I'm being pessimistic and hysterical when this stuff comes up...

 

[Youngguns1380]

Does the AGM really have to inspire to do the job, though?

Sorry that is what I meant answering you @Viqsi - that Josh Flynn doesn’t inspire confidence and don’t want him anywhere mentioned or in the CBJ GM chair. I was saying Chris MacFarland was far superior.