The Jarmo Thread

[Viqsi]

Okay. Folks want to move on from Kekalainen. Fine.

So who's the alternative? And don't f***ing dare say "anybody would be better", because that is demonstrably untrue. Have the guts to name names and make cases.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

The only way to fix this roster is through trades. They have no cap to go out and figure this out, and quite frankly it would just add to the logjam anyway

All young players should be on the table for potential trades. Any veterans, except Gaudreau, should be as well. I know people are going to be up in arms about this but you don’t have to trade the kids, but you should see what’s out there.

Jarmo’s only redeeming quality as a GM is his trades. His draft history is lukewarm at best. His roster decisions suck. And his contract handling is worse.

Let’s see what he does. I very much doubt he’s in trouble to be fired because he has the support of JD, who has the upmost support from ownership.

 

[majormajor]

The only way to fix this roster is through trades. They have no cap to go out and figure this out, and quite frankly it would just add to the logjam anyway

All young players should be on the table for potential trades. Any veterans, except Gaudreau, should be as well. I know people are going to be up in arms about this but you don’t have to trade the kids, but you should see what’s out there.

Jarmo’s only redeeming quality as a GM is his trades. His draft history is lukewarm at best. His roster decisions suck. And his contract handling is worse.

Let’s see what he does. I very much doubt he’s in trouble to be fired because he has the support of JD, who has the upmost support from ownership.

I don't want to see what Jarmo does. I'd be hiding under the table to avoid seeing it after Gudbranson, Bjorkstrand, etc... Boqvist, Bean, Domi, etc...

He netted good value on some of his big trades but the problem with the CBJ is not "lack of value". We don't need to win value on trades, we need to get the right players. In our position, "good on trades but roster decisions suck" should be seen as a contradiction.

 

[majormajor]

Okay. Folks want to move on from Kekalainen. Fine.

So who's the alternative? And don't f***ing dare say "anybody would be better", because that is demonstrably untrue. Have the guts to name names and make cases.

It's possible to think Jarmo has lost too much credibility and to also not really know the names of a lot of available GMs. I follow the league closely but whenever Friedman and Marek start talking about "interesting executives" my eyes glaze over. Lombardi? Trotz? I don't know enough and no you can't use that as a defense of Jarmo.

 

[Byrral]

Okay. Folks want to move on from Kekalainen. Fine.

So who's the alternative? And don't f***ing dare say "anybody would be better", because that is demonstrably untrue. Have the guts to name names and make cases.I'd be naive to not believe that there are many potential candidates that would love to take over this team whether I know their names or not. There are only 32 of these jobs in the world if you want to be a GM of an NHL team and I would bet there are plenty of qualified candidates that would love this job.

Of course nothing is a certainly but it would be naive to believe that there are no possible qualified individuals because "I" personally can't name any of them. There are only 32 NHL GM jobs and they'd have a list of qualified candidates to choose from. I'm willing to have a bit more patience with Jarmo but it isn't unfounded to be out of patience by now. The team shouldn't be in this much chaos. And Jarmo is in charge.

 

[Viqsi]

It's possible to think Jarmo has lost too much credibility and to also not really know the names of a lot of available GMs. I follow the league closely but whenever Friedman and Marek start talking about "interesting executives" my eyes glaze over. Lombardi? Trotz? I don't know enough and no you can't use that as a defense of Jarmo.

Not necessarily as a defense of him but certainly as rationale for why firing him immediately is arguably the wrong move.

 

[Cowumbus]

Okay. Folks want to move on from Kekalainen. Fine.

So who's the alternative? And don't f***ing dare say "anybody would be better", because that is demonstrably untrue. Have the guts to name names and make cases.

Why not try Nate Leaman or Rikard Grongborg? I’d even consider Patrick Roy.

 

[tunnelvision]

Looking forward to watching John P. announce the next GM of the Blue Jackets.

"At the end of the day, nobody seemed to get over the Rick Nash Bar."

 

[Viqsi]

Why not try Nate Leaman or Rikard Grongborg? I’d even consider Patrick Roy.

No interest in Roy. The other two... I recognize the names but am not familar enough to day.

 

[Cowumbus]

No interest in Roy. The other two... I recognize the names but am not familar enough to day.

Look up Leaman, he’s an Ohio guy.

 

[thebus88]

I blame Jarmo slightly more than Larsen for the mess of the current team at this point.

I blame Jarmo for allowing the change that made Tortorella want to leave. That’s when/where everything started going bad, yet, SO MANY POSTERS AROUND HERE EMBRACED IT, yet, want to ignore the CLEAR CORRELATION.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

I get the Bjork/Gudbransson thing was pure crap, but should at least see out the rebuild to the point where the first draft pieces are at an age where they're ready to make an impact before thinking about changing GM. The whole Jones trade hasn't even had time to make an positive impact because the players acquired are still so young. The trade is basically it's 1st pair D for nothing as things currently stand

 

[Cowumbus]

Steve Staios is a guy doing well in the CHL.

I get the Bjork/Gudbransson thing was pure crap, but should at least see out the rebuild to the point where the first draft pieces are at an age where they're ready to make an impact before thinking about changing GM. The whole Jones trade hasn't even had time to make an positive impact because the players acquired are still so young

Jarmo has been here since 2013.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Jarmo has been here since 2013.

And the team has made playoffs 5/9 times during that span. Before that the team had made playoffs 1/12 times

 

[traffic cone]

And the team has made playoffs 5/9 times during that span. Before that the team had made playoffs 1/12 times

Shh. Anything good that has happend can’t be because of Jarmo.

If Jarmo ever did get fired I predict he’d be the GM of some bigger market team in under a month.

 

[Byrral]

How much longer does Jarmo have before looking elsewhere? Look what happened in St Louis after him and JD left and the same in NY after JD got fired. Maybe they are good at building teams but not at finishing the job? These are fair quesions to ask.

Edit: this is as toxic as I've seen this board since I starting posting in 2006. We are all passionate about the CBJ and everyone wants them to win. I hope we can share hockey talk with civility at the same time whether we agree with each other or not. Thanks to the mods for keeping the chaos in check.

 

[Cowumbus]

And the team has made playoffs 5/9 times during that span. Before that the team had made playoffs 1/12 times

Go look up Ray Shero.

The penguins made the playoffs every year he was there. 2006-2014. They even won a cup when he was there. Still got fired.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Go look up Ray Shero.

The penguins made the playoffs every year he was there. 2006-2014. They even won a cup when he was there. Still got fired.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he is in any way unfirable. My point was more that I think Jarmo has earned the opportunity to see this rebuild through. Meaning, not putting him on a hotseat for at least a full year, preferably two, when guys like KJ, Sillinger, Jiricek are no longer u20s or rookies.

 

[thebus88]

And the team has made playoffs 5/9 times during that span. Before that the team had made playoffs 1/12 times

Shh. Anything good that has happend can’t be because of Jarmo.

If Jarmo ever did get fired I predict he’d be the GM of some bigger market team in under a month.

IMO, the issue, or my issue personally os that he’s gone away completely from almost all the things that led to and kept the team making the playoffs.

That said, and my PDF form isn’t updated, TONS of hypocrites around WANTED this exact change to the team, to a more “open/offensive/exciting style”.

Got what you asked for.

Team is BUILT like SHIT, bottom line.

 

[Cowumbus]

IMO, the issue, or my issue personally os that he’s gone away completely from almost all the things that led to and kept the team making the playoffs.

That said, and my PDF form isn’t updated, TONS of hypocrites around WANTED this exact change to the team, to a more “open/offensive/exciting style”.

Got what you asked for.

Team is BUILT like SHIT, bottom line.

You can build an offensive team that still has a competent defense, like Colorado and New York did.

We have not done that here.

 

[Byrral]

Got what you asked for.

Team is BUILT like SHIT, bottom line.

This is not false.

But I doubt that you'd find many posters here that really wanted Panarin, Dubios or Jones to leave. SHIT happens.

 

[BB88]

Its definitely time to move on. Too many bad moves. Naming Larsen as headcoach horribly choice. Elvis 5.4M/Y deal horrible, Badbransson 4M/Y totally horrible. Jarmo should be in draft analytics not at GM. Time to clean the house fully

The only way to fix this roster is through trades. They have no cap to go out and figure this out, and quite frankly it would just add to the logjam anyway

All young players should be on the table for potential trades. Any veterans, except Gaudreau, should be as well. I know people are going to be up in arms about this but you don’t have to trade the kids, but you should see what’s out there.

Jarmo’s only redeeming quality as a GM is his trades. His draft history is lukewarm at best. His roster decisions suck. And his contract handling is worse.

Let’s see what he does. I very much doubt he’s in trouble to be fired because he has the support of JD, who has the upmost support from ownership.

How many Columbus fans hate his recent draft picks?
I believe they looked pretty much landing to them as well as possible.

They started a rebuild in 2021. They are having a terrible start to the season but the good thing is this is the best year for them to be bad.
The kids are developing and it’s a damm good looking top of the draft.

So the most important thing this year is to get answers to some key questions do they have answers.

1) Coaching
B) Goaltending
C) Center.

If they don’t, which it seems then the next 10 months are key months for them to work their butt off to fix those issues.
Can’t have any of those issues once the roster should be ready to rebuild


Sadly it’s just tough to rebuild a team without a true top pick/picks. Especially when the teams isn’t the most desired place to play for players.

All Chicago/Tampa/Pens were build around top high picks

 

[majormajor]

This is not false.

But I doubt that you'd find many posters here that really wanted Panarin, Dubios or Jones to leave. Shit happens.

We had some starpower then and now we have some starpower again. That's not what is missing.

The reason we had consistently good teams was the plethora of guys who could get the puck into the offensive zone and win puck battles. We had Foligno, Dubinsky, etc... Really a half dozen guys who were good at that job. As they aged out or moved on, Jarmo replaced them with guys who couldn't play that way, that lack versatility or are total airheads.

 

[majormajor]

So the most important thing this year is to get answers to some key questions do they have answers.

1) Coaching
B) Goaltending
C) Center.

If they don’t, which it seems then the next 10 months are key months for them to work their butt off to fix those issues.
Can’t have any of those issues once the roster should be ready to rebuild


Sadly it’s just tough to rebuild a team without a true top pick/picks. Especially when the teams isn’t the most desired place to play for players.

All Chicago/Tampa/Pens were build around top high picks

I don't think we're one center or one goalie away. Though improving there would certainly help. We need competent puckmovers on the backend and we need forwards who can play the cycle game. I hate it because there's already been so much turnover and lack of opportunity to build chemistry, but the team needs some trades.

 

[thebus88]

You can build an offensive team that still has a competent defense, like Colorado and New York did.

We have not done that here.

The team structures and roster breakdowns are soooo much more complex than, “offensive team”/“defensive team”.