The Jarmo Thread

[db2011]

The all-in season that gets presented as a folly to my thinking actually factors into a player like Gaudreau seeing something to like in Columbus. That a lot of players left is something Jarmo has had to deal with, not something that he caused. I'm glad he did it then and I remain glad he did it because I think to some it demonstrated a commitment to being competitive by the GM and the organization. It didn't translate into a Cup obviously but in my opinion (pure speculation) it generated goodwill.

There are better GMs out there but not many. The Jackets are really young but I think they are in a strong position for the future and it's strange to me that this thread would get bumped.

I have some gripes, which include some draft picks and I think Tarasov is revealing Elvis somewhat.

 

[majormajor]

The all-in season that gets presented as a folly to my thinking actually factors into a player like Gaudreau seeing something to like in Columbus. That a lot of players left is something Jarmo has had to deal with, not something that he caused. I'm glad he did it then and I remain glad he did it because I think to some it demonstrated a commitment to being competitive by the GM and the organization. It didn't translate into a Cup obviously but in my opinion (pure speculation) it generated goodwill.

There are better GMs out there but not many. The Jackets are really young but I think they are in a strong position for the future and it's strange to me that this thread would get bumped.

I have some gripes, which include some draft picks and I think Tarasov is revealing Elvis somewhat.

Oh the "all-in" (which wasn't a literal all-in) is part of why I'd like to keep Jarmo. We're not going to win anything playing it safe.

 

[Halberdier]

Jarmo might not be the best GM ever, but sometimes I think it's like people expecting him to lace his skates and get back on the ice or at least do the coaching for Larsen. He can't do it all and the mess of d-zone has to be addressed by coaching staf, and if the Rangers game is any kind of indicative, it's already being addressed, work in progress.

CBJ has 3 great D prospects on the pipeline and many potential long term guys so patience is the key, and in the mean time coaching needs to get the system to the level that doesn't need 6 Cale Makars to work. The current D-corp is adequate for league average defending, and that it's not happening is not on Jarmo or Gudbransson.

 

[Finner]

Jarmo should dig up the rebuild button and forget the "reload". This reload is shit. Actually someone else could find that button and Jarmo can go somewhere else.

 

[Sdrawkcab321]

Who has the power to fire jarmo? Davidson? The owner? I really don’t know anything about the owner.

 

[BB88]

Jarmo should dig up the rebuild button and forget the "reload". This reload is shit. Actually someone else could find that button and Jarmo can go somewhere else.

Do you have some issues on his bigger trades/draft days during this ”reload”.

They started a reload 18 months ago, it’s damm hard to be a contender that quick.

There’s lot of big question marks for the future, there’s also lot of potential answers for those biggest question marks.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Who has the power to fire jarmo? Davidson? The owner? I really don’t know anything about the owner.

Davidson.

 

[tunnelvision]

Davidson.

I thought JD ceased to have control of it since Jarmo got the alternate governor title?

 

[majormajor]

Oh the "all-in" (which wasn't a literal all-in) is part of why I'd like to keep Jarmo. We're not going to win anything playing it safe.

Nevermind this. I'm pretty much all the way over to fire Jarmo now.

He has some attributes that I want in a GM but I've hated most of his pro moves for a couple years now. Just no confidence left.

I'd like to see a new GM, hopefully someone who knows how to build a winner and values players that know how to win, and someone who doesn't fall in love with their own toys. Hopefully the new GM will keep those responsible for our recent drafting, because I really like the choices, but the pro scouting staff can get canned.*

*Unless Jarmo was making moves over their objections.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I thought JD ceased to have control of it since Jarmo got the alternate governor title?

I literally believe the only reason he got that title was so it didn’t appear publicly like a demotion. I could be wrong, but that’s my belief.

 

[Cowumbus]

10 years as a GM.
14 1st round picks, 8 2nd round picks, 10 3rd round picks, 34 picks rounds 4-7. 66 picks total. Of the 66 picks, 10 guys have played in a game this year for the Jackets, with 4 of them coming from players drafted in the last 3 years.



Excluding the last 3 drafts (guys need more time to reach GP milestone)

1st Round Hits (200GP):
Wennberg, Werenski, PLD, Foudy (Putting Foudy here to balance out Milano)
1st Round Misses:
Carlsson, Rychel, Dano, Milano (197GP)
1st Round Hit Rate: 50%

2nd Round Hits:
Marchenko, Texier, Peeke (giving some of these guys the benefit of the doubt)
2nd Round Misses:
Heatherington, Collins, Bittner, Stenlund
2nd Round Hit Rate: 43%

3rd Round Hits:
Bjorkstrand, Merzlinkins, Kolesar, Tarasov (giving some of these guys the benefit of the doubt)
3rd Round Misses:
Siebenaler, Abramov, Karlberg
3rd Round Hit Rate: 57%

Why are our 1st rounders hitting at lower rates than 2/3?

Our last 2 drafts look very promising, I wonder how much the analytics guys have been weighing in on draft decisions? I know they really liked Dumais.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

10 years as a GM.
14 1st round picks, 8 2nd round picks, 10 3rd round picks, 34 picks rounds 4-7. 66 picks total. Of the 66 picks, 10 guys have played in a game this year for the Jackets, with 4 of them coming from players drafted in the last 3 years.



Excluding the last 3 drafts (guys need more time to reach GP milestone)

1st Round Hits (200GP):
Wennberg, Werenski, PLD, Foudy (Putting Foudy here to balance out Milano)
1st Round Misses:
Carlsson, Rychel, Dano, Milano (197GP)
1st Round Hit Rate: 50%

2nd Round Hits:
Marchenko, Texier, Peeke (giving some of these guys the benefit of the doubt)
2nd Round Misses:
Heatherington, Collins, Bittner, Stenlund
2nd Round Hit Rate: 43%

3rd Round Hits:
Bjorkstrand, Merzlinkins, Kolesar, Tarasov (giving some of these guys the benefit of the doubt)
3rd Round Misses:
Siebenaler, Abramov, Karlberg
3rd Round Hit Rate: 57%

Why are our 1st rounders hitting at lower rates than 2/3?

Our last 2 drafts look very promising, I wonder how much the analytics guys have been weighing in on draft decisions? I know they really liked Dumais.

I would still have an asterisk on Marchenko since he hasn't even played an NHL game yet and I call Texier a miss in the long run because I believe he'll never play in the NHL again. Kolesar isn't a hit because it wasn't for the CBJ. We traded him for what eventually became Texier so I don't think you can double dip and call them both hits for Jarmo.

Our first round success rate is really concerning and always has been.

 

[Cowumbus]

I would still have an asterisk on Marchenko since he hasn't even played an NHL game yet and I call Texier a miss in the long run because I believe he'll never play in the NHL again. Kolesar isn't a hit because it wasn't for the CBJ. We traded him for what eventually became Texier so I don't think you can double dip and call them both hits for Jarmo.

Our first round success rate is really concerning and always has been.

I don’t disagree, but whenever I don’t give Jarmo the benefit of the doubt, the usual suspects respond with “well, technically…”

 

[Cowumbus]

A list of bad contracts on the CBJ right now:

The bad:
1) Atkinson $5.875m (5+ years left)

The really, really bad

1) Wennberg $4.9m AAV (3+ years left)
2) Dubinsky $5.85 AAV (1+ years left)
3) Nash $2.75 AAV (1+ years left)

Not even putting Foligno in this. There's almost $20 million of bad contracts going on with a team cap hit of a little over $70 million-it's about 30% of the contracts being severely under performing.

I am stunned that Jarmo has any defenders on this board. Almost a third of his cap is allocated toward bad contracts. Despite that he had plenty of cap room to work with this summer (a lot more if he would have bought out Wennberg) and managed to score Nyquist and no one else and-according to almost everyone on this board-has this incredibly deep defense to dangle in front of other GMs.

He needs to go this off season.

His contract prowess has not gotten better IMO.

We were talking about this is 2019, when we weren’t spending to the cap lol

Remember when the jackets were routinely criticized for rushing guys to the league? Some things never change. Tex and Bemstrom should be in Cleveland. They need playing time to develop.

We might never learn.

 

[Cowumbus]

To add onto that, I was looking through Jarmos recent draft picks... and they really aren’t that great for a “draft wizard” Keep in mind we have had 8 first round picks, 7 second round, 7 third round picks since he came here. 2013/14 were especially bad. BRING ON THE HATE!

Pts	PIM
2013 Entry	14	1	Alexander Wennberg	C	Djurgardens IF Stockholm [Swe-1]	375	37	148	185	73
2013 Entry	19	1	Kerby Rychel	L	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	43	3	11	14	19
2013 Entry	27	1	Marko Dano	C	Bratislava Slovan [KHL]	138	19	26	45	47
2013 Entry	50	2	Dillon Heatherington	D	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]	11	0	2	2	26
2013 Entry	89	3	Oliver Bjorkstrand	R	Portland Winterhawks [WHL]	214	48	55	103	27
2013 Entry	105	4	Nick Moutrey	C	Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
2013 Entry	165	6	Markus Soberg	R	Frolunda Jrs. (Sweden)
2013 Entry	195	7	Peter Quenneville	R	Dubuque Fighting Saints [USHL]

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Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2014 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2015 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2016 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2017 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2018 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2019 Entry	104	4	Eric Hjorth	D	Linkoping [Sweden Jrs.]
2019 Entry	114	4	Dmitry Voronkov	F	Kazan [Russia Jrs.]
2019 Entry	212	7	Tyler Angle	C	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]
2018 Entry	18	1	Liam Foudy	C	London Knights [OHL]
2018 Entry	49	2	Kirill Marchenko	R	Khanty-Mansiysk-2 (Russia Jrs.)
2018 Entry	80	3	Marcus Karlberg	L	Leksand-2 (Sweden Jrs.)
2018 Entry	159	6	Tim Berni	D	Zurich-2 (Swiss Jrs.)
2018 Entry	173	6	Veini Vehvilainen	G	Karpat [SM-liiga]
2018 Entry	204	7	Trey Fix-Wolansky	R	Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL]
2017 Entry	45	2	Alexandre Texier	C	Grenoble [France]	15	3	1	4	6
2017 Entry	86	3	Daniil Tarasov	G	Ufa [Russia-Jrs]
2017 Entry	117	4	Emil Bemstrom	C	Leksand [Sweden-Jrs]	17	2	2	4	0
2017 Entry	148	5	Kale Howarth	L	Trail Smoke Eaters [BCHL]
2017 Entry	170	6	Jonathan Davidsson	R	Djurgardens IF [SweHL]	2	0	1	1	0
2017 Entry	179	6	Carson Meyer	R	Miami University (Ohio) [NCHC]
2017 Entry	210	7	Robbie Stucker	D	St. Thomas [Minn. H.S.]
2016 Entry	3	1	Pierre-Luc Dubois	C	Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL]	181	53	67	120	128
2016 Entry	34	2	Andrew Peeke	D	Green Bay Gamblers [USHL]
2016 Entry	65	3	Vitaly Abramov	R	Gatineau Olympiques [QMJHL]	3	1	0	1	2
2016 Entry	155	6	Peter Thome	G	Aberdeen Wings [NAHL]
2016 Entry	185	7	Calvin Thurkauf	C	Kelowna Rockets [WHL]
2015 Entry	8	1	Zach Werenski	D	U. of Michigan [Big-10]	254	42	93	135	50
2015 Entry	29	1	Gabriel Carlsson	D	Linkopings Jrs. (Sweden)	17	0	3	3	6
2015 Entry	38	2	Paul Bittner	L	Portland Winterhawks [WHL]
2015 Entry	58	2	Kevin Stenlund	C	HV71 Jrs (Sweden)	4	0	0	0	4
2015 Entry	69	3	Keegan Kolesar	R	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]
2015 Entry	129	5	Sam Ruopp	D	Prince George Cougars [WHL]
2015 Entry	141	5	Veeti Vainio	D	Blues Jrs. (Finland)
2015 Entry	159	6	Vladislav Gavrikov	D	Yaroslavl Lokomotiv [KHL]	16	0	1	1	8
2015 Entry	189	7	Markus Nutivaara	D	Karpat [SM-liiga]	217	16	37	53	28
2014 Entry	16	1	Sonny Milano	L	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	85	18	12	30	22
2014 Entry	47	2	Ryan Collins	D	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]
2014 Entry	76	3	Elvis Merzlikins	G	Lugano [Swiss-A]	4	0	0	0	0
2014 Entry	77	3	Blake Siebenaler	D	Niagara IceDogs [OHL]
2014 Entry	107	4	Julien Pelletier	L	Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL]
2014 Entry	137	5	Tyler Bird	R	Kimball Union (N.H. H.S.)
2014 Entry	197	7	Olivier Leblanc	D	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]

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Having been slightly positive about Jarmo & JD, I now find myself tending negative. This team is in shambles with little hope for improvement in the near future other than Jackets' fans predicting great careers for Tex, Bemstrom, et al. So far the promising goalie roster is not so hot. Other than PLD I see no other young guy getting better or even staying the same.

I believe the go all in at the TDL was an organizational decision, which in hindsight, was completely effin stupid imo. The one playoff series win will go down in Jackets' lore next to the 16 game winning streak which cost a higher draft position and contrary to all the people who though it would build momentum for the following season led to an 0-8 beginning.

Robin Lehner should have been signed. Jarmo will get another shot if Chicago doesn't re-up him.

I don't know. To me the only hope for a mid-season turnaround is to fire Torts and hope the new guy can solve the offense, the pp and goalie woes. Don't think this will happen but something needs to change.

Still true (from 2019)

 

[tunnelvision]

Why are our 1st rounders hitting at lower rates than 2/3?

Not trying to bend your mind into thinking Jarmo's drafting has been excellent but in all fairness I think you need to remove 2013 class from the equation. Howson's amateur scouts (mostly) were putting the draft lists together.

Imo lack of vision in roster building along with acquisitions in the coaching/player dev department remains to be a way bigger problem with Jarmo's decision-making than his drafting.

......

Right now I feel like witnessing one more bad signing/trade by Jarmo will put it over the top for me that will make me join the "fire Jarmo" choir. It doesn't even have to be a superbad move, Domi type trade might be enough to do it.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Bottom line is he has been here a long time.
If you're happy winning one playoff series (2 if you count the COVID expanded playoffs) in that tenure I'm sure you can dig into statistic on how great he is.

 

[paragon]

I would fire Jarmo simply for not getting a good coach. I think there's no excuse, when Cassidy, DeBoer and Brunette were available. Hell, not even daring to take a chance on Jalonen, but rather going with the old even when it's known to suck.

 

[Sdrawkcab321]

I would fire Jarmo simply for not getting a good coach. I think there's no excuse, when Cassidy, DeBoer and Brunette were available. Hell, not even daring to take a chance on Jalonen, but rather going with the old even when it's known to suck.

It’s one of the many reasons. But promoting from within has to be one of the laziest thing you can do as a GM. You’re telling me the best guy for the job just so happens to the someone who was already sitting on the bench? Very unlikely. There should always be an expansive search.

 

[BluejacketNut]

Im done with him, 10 years and 1 playoff round and we'll likely be looking at a lottery pick again. He has to be one of the worse cap managers in the league, thankfully we have a lot coming off the books next year, but i dont know how much faith i have in him using it wisely

 

[EspenK]

IF Jarmo is fired and the headline reads "X, who is expected to replace him, has been a GM for 10 years and led his team to the playoffs a few times and won one series and most recently had a team start the season 3-7 while being led by a coach with no prior head coaching experience", I am sure everyone would be as excited as all get out.

 

[Sdrawkcab321]

IF Jarmo is fired and the headline reads "X, who is expected to replace him, has been a GM for 10 years and led his team to the playoffs a few times and won one series and most recently had a team start the season 3-7 while being led by a coach with no prior head coaching experience", I am sure everyone would be as excited as all get out.

As long as they never signed Eric gudbranson to a 4 year 16M deal I’d be happy with it

 

[Halberdier]

Great insight from Jarmo in Finnish pre-game tv interview about the rebuilding process and also some more info about Johnny trade right now.

He said they knew already before (literal translation: "in early stage") that Johnny wants to play in Columbus. So I take that the CBJ movie was not about the first time they heard Johnny is coming. So in fact, after all, the Gudbransson deal might have been partially a cunning plot to lure Johnny in (and obviously they needed a big, strong, stay-at-home D to fix the defensive side, even if Gud is failing to provide).

 

[majormajor]

If we really are the worst team in the NHL, then I guess this is the year to do it.

But Jarmo can't stay if he built the worst team in the NHL. I don't trust his judgment and he will have lost too much credibility. Get a new GM.

 

[Finner]

If we really are the worst team in the NHL, then I guess this is the year to do it.

But Jarmo can't stay if he built the worst team in the NHL. I don't trust his judgment and he will have lost too much credibility. Get a new GM.

Its definitely time to move on. Too many bad moves. Naming Larsen as headcoach horribly choice. Elvis 5.4M/Y deal horrible, Badbransson 4M/Y totally horrible. Jarmo should be in draft analytics not at GM. Time to clean the house fully