Sorry, I wasn't intending to say you had an opinion either way, though clearly my reply has that tack to it. The dichotomy came to mind as a read your post. My bad.
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Finland tried to prevent the USA from winning a gold medal in 1980. Screw Finland and the weird fish they seem to like.
Here’s the thing.
They need players (and fans) with a ‘chip on their shoulder’ and who also embrace being the “underdog”. This doesn’t mean to have no hope in winning, but, to be ‘ok’ with not being “the favorite”.
We need players who don’t care about the “prestige” or 100 year history of the organization. We need players who want to BEAT the “best players” on the ice and have the confidence that they can do so.
Effort and commitment all over the ice is what is needed, not more goals scored and offensive minded players. Or a new coach.
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WE had the "effort all over the ice" until Jarmo MacLean, in his usual bumbling manner, decided to convert us to a "skill" hockey team without actually adding any skill.
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Good stuff. Would still say that we need to score more goals. Teams which aren't in the top third in goals scored aren't going to compete for the Big Prize.
I agree with your post in general but this particular detail is wrong. The country club died circa 2012, thanks to Dubi, Nick, and numerous other character upgrades that Howson brought in. The team was already lauded as very hard working and the hardest to play against before Torts arrived.
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Reading Porty's mailbag article there was an answer that mentioned Mike Priest. Most (?many for sure) have a hockey guy as team president. Jackets have Mike Priest. I wonder if Jarmo's leash is longer than it would be if a guy like Burke was president?
This is a complete sweep situation in my opinion. This is Jarmo’s team, and minus a few players it’s a complete dumpster fire. Detroit is already looking light years ahead of us right now. I’ve seen enough of the JK show to take a hard pass on him rebuilding this team
Mike Priest has been an albatross around the neck of this franchise for at least 15 years. No competence in hockey matters whatsoever. With Priest as President, Jarmo MacLean effectively has no adult supervision.
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Priest's continued employment/influence may go to the core of the problem-a disinterested owner who owns the team only out of a continued sense of obligation to his father/founder.
While new and even very wealthy ownership with a civic commitment certainly doesn't guarantee anything positive (see Buffalo), it could. I really think that McConnell would best serve his father's legacy by selling the team to someone with an iron clad 20-30 year agreement to keep the team at Nationwide/in Columbus and be committed to building an elite organization. I would think that there is someone in Columbus who would be excited to take on ownership of the CBJ who is well-heeled enough to do so.
I don't think that McConnell is a bad guy or even lacks competence. I just sense he lacks the interest and passion in the sport of hockey to build a premier organization. He runs a major corporation and undoubtedly has enough on his plate that the hockey team is almost necessarily a bit of an afterthought.
Jarmo MacLean is awesome. I'll shorten it to Jarmac for future postings.
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Jive Pawnbroker
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When JD left I was told he could see the decline coming and that’s why he wanted out. Now the decline is because he’s no longer here to set things right?
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Hmm. I had thought that JD left because the Rangers were his first choice to work for all along which I didn't blame him for. I guess I fell for that explanation hook line and sinker; shame on me.
I guess he can say that he pulled a George Costanza and left Columbus on a high note.
Yeah, JD leaving and Jarmo not having a “check” is totally the reason for the decline. It has nothing to do with the fact that Panarin, Bob, and Duchene left, that we traded quality defensemen for picks in order to save cap for PLD who then royally f***ed us, or that the current roster doesn’t mesh with Torts. It’s definitely just a coincidence that all those things happened at or around the same time JD left.
That said, I may be more amenable to the idea that Jarmo is the problem if the team shows no improvement under a new coach, or if the next offseason or two go horribly. But as of now, Jarmo is still one of the best drafting and trading GM’s in the league, and I still agree with his decision to go all in two years ago. We’ll see how he does in a rebuild/re-tool situation.
So, for now, give me a f***ing break with “Jarmo Maclean”...
That said, I may be more amenable to the idea that Jarmo is the problem if the team shows no improvement under a new coach, or if the next offseason or two go horribly. But as of now, Jarmo is still one of the best drafting and trading GM’s in the league, and I still agree with his decision to go all in two years ago. We’ll see how he does in a rebuild/re-tool situation.
So, for now, give me a f***ing break with “Jarmo Maclean”...
Who makes the decision on who to sign for the roster? Who makes the decision on who should be employed as the head coach?
I’ll give you he’s done well at trading, but drafting? I just don’t see it. We have one of the worst prospect pipelines in the NHL, we were rated like 24th or 25th in the NHL Network and I can’t argue with that. We have no top end prospects and no developing diamond in the rough.
The other thing that needs to happen is to get to the roof of the problem why no one wants yo be here. My belief is it’s been tortz, but regardless, they need to get to the bottom of it ASAP if they ever want to field a competitive team. The window we recently had is closed now, we’re back to square one again
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Jarmo may be a good scout but that's where his skills end IMO.
Sure we lost Panarin to the bright lights of NYC and Duchene was never going to sign here but why did Bob leave? Why is Josh Anderson no longer a Blue Jacket? Why did PLD want out? If Torts isn't the issue as has been documented at least in PLD's case, then who is to blame?
Do you believe that Mike Priest is an adequate check on Jarmo's authority? Also, comparing Jarmo to MacLean is not that far-fetched. Both guys had / have essentially unchecked authority in the org and it will be run into the ground yet again if nobody above Jarmo gives a f*** about winning and holds him accountable.
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JD was a major part of the Johansen fiasco and couldn't convince Panarin to stay while he was here. If Jarmo is the reason why players have left the team, then having a well-respected hockey guy like John Davidson above him doesn't seem to make a difference.
McConnell has authorized spending to and above the cap. He's willing to provide the funding needed to assemble a winning team. Not sure what more the fans could want from him.
IMO, this comes down to two major things:
1. Players choosing to leave despite being on a playoff caliber team and being offered fair value. Maybe the team could have retained a few guys if they'd been willing to overpay, but overpayment of players - particularly young ones - has conventionally been seen as a quick and extremely expensive way to run your team into the ground. Teams bypassing the salary cap wasn't really foreseeable and is expected to change as evidenced by Jarmo's insistence that other teams will be in tough situations this offseason and it may be the the Jackets' benefit. Whether that comes true or not, I have my doubts. But Jarmo clearly believes that teams can't get by if they don't manage their cap very tightly.
2. Drafting and development. 1st rounders under Jarmo have been Wennberg, Rychel, Dano, Milano, Werenski, Carlsson, PLD, Foudy, and Chinakov. Outside of Werenski and PLD, there's absolutely nothing to write home about. Further, Jarmo misidentified Wennberg's qualities and may turn out to be wrong about a number of others (Texier, Bemstrom, etc.). Part of that is bad luck in terms of draft position (all of them are outside the top-10 besides Werenski and PLD) but I would still expect there to be more success at the top end of the draft than Jarmo has produced.
As for development, I think something is clearly amiss in regards to the forward ranks. Great things can be said about the team's ability to develop goalies (due in no small part to Manny Legace) and on defense (presumably that's Brad Shaw) but at forward guys have just not done well. That means guys failing to develop into NHL players (Milano, Rychel, Bemstrom) and more established guys failing to take the next step (Josh Anderson, William Karlsson).
McConnell has authorized spending to and above the cap. He's willing to provide the funding needed to assemble a winning team. Not sure what more the fans could want from him.
IMO, this comes down to two major things:
1. Players choosing to leave despite being on a playoff caliber team and being offered fair value. Maybe the team could have retained a few guys if they'd been willing to overpay, but overpayment of players - particularly young ones - has conventionally been seen as a quick and extremely expensive way to run your team into the ground. Teams bypassing the salary cap wasn't really foreseeable and is expected to change as evidenced by Jarmo's insistence that other teams will be in tough situations this offseason and it may be the the Jackets' benefit. Whether that comes true or not, I have my doubts. But Jarmo clearly believes that teams can't get by if they don't manage their cap very tightly.
2. Drafting and development. 1st rounders under Jarmo have been Wennberg, Rychel, Dano, Milano, Werenski, Carlsson, PLD, Foudy, and Chinakov. Outside of Werenski and PLD, there's absolutely nothing to write home about. Further, Jarmo misidentified Wennberg's qualities and may turn out to be wrong about a number of others (Texier, Bemstrom, etc.). Part of that is bad luck in terms of draft position (all of them are outside the top-10 besides Werenski and PLD) but I would still expect there to be more success at the top end of the draft than Jarmo has produced.
As for development, I think something is clearly amiss in regards to the forward ranks. Great things can be said about the team's ability to develop goalies (due in no small part to Manny Legace) and on defense (presumably that's Brad Shaw) but at forward guys have just not done well. That means guys failing to develop into NHL players (Milano, Rychel, Bemstrom) and more established guys failing to take the next step (Josh Anderson, William Karlsson).
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The prospect pool is poor because of two things. First, trading high picks for players when buying for the playoffs in various seasons. Which, with the exception of the Dzingel trade, most of us were cool with at the time. Second, being one of the consistent best playoff teams in the past 4-5 years has its consequences. Picks outside the top 10-12 are almost always a crapshoot. Jarmo has more or less only had picks outside that range, with the exception of PLD and Werenski, which were the right picks. We haven’t had enough picks, or high enough picks, in order to have a good prospect pool right now. This is the offseason when the cupboard is hopefully restocked with the talent it’s lacking, including a top tier talent.
I’ve already posted my analysis of Jarmo’s drafting, which showed that he is a top 3 GM in terms of finding NHL players, and the best GM at finding NHL players outside of the first 2 rounds from 2013-2018. Yes, he hasn’t had many hits from his mid to late 1st round picks, but in truth, that’s more of a rarity than a lot of us think it is.
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Not sure what Chris Mason has to do with our goalies' development.
Chris Mason, Manny Legace....
Just another backup right?
The fact that he took Panarin with him didn't help.
How many years have we spent to (or above) the cap?
Why do you think we dumped so many salaries this year? Do you think that was done by Jarmo just to deplete depth?
Also to preface everything - no GM in their right mind will ever say "My ownership has an internal cap". It's just something they have to manage to and not speak about publicly.
not to mention the pathetic taxi squad moves to save a few hundred bucks a day.
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