The Jarmo Thread

[Crede777]

Not sure what Chris Mason has to do with our goalies' development.

Yeah I meant Manny Legace. I guess I'm getting too old for this stuff when I can't keep their names straight!

 

[Long Live Lyle]

People can bash Jarmo, think after 8+ years he should be relieved based on the team's current state, etc. I disagree, but I can see the argument, and am willing to listen to the debate.

Comparing him to Doug F---ing MacLean is completely absurd, and quite honestly, so extreme that it makes me almost singlehandedly not want to respect/listen to the opinion of anyone on this matter who does it. It's like comparing Torts to Arniel because of this season.

 

[majormajor]

Mike Priest has been an albatross around the neck of this franchise for at least 15 years. No competence in hockey matters whatsoever. With Priest as President, Jarmo MacLean effectively has no adult supervision.

You really have no idea how Mike Priest interacts with anyone on the hockey side of the operation or really anything about what he does here. He's not really a public figure. It ought to embarrass you that you're publicly targeting some random exec without having any solid info to back up your claims. Gross.

Jarmo has been in management roles since he started with the Sens twenty-six years ago. The club sensibly decided after JD that, like most teams, they didn't need a $1m grand poobah sitting above their tenured GM.

 

[majormajor]

How many years have we spent to (or above) the cap?
Why do you think we dumped so many salaries this year? Do you think that was done by Jarmo just to deplete depth?

There are more than two possible answers given what we know. Perhaps Jarmo really needed a lot of extra cap space to ward off offer sheet threats, or to make some other moves that didn't end up being possible. Or perhaps he rightly figured out that it was indefensible to pay $7m+ to two guys on your bottom pair who play the combined games played of one player. MDZ-Kukan was a relatively strong point for the club this year so the idea that we suffered greatly as a result is very much overstated. It feels like grasping at straws.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Maybe it's just a simple explanation.

Ken Holland was regarded as the best GM in the league, but when Jim Nill left for Dallas, the Stars got better and the Wings nosedived.

Bill Zito left last year, and Florida has surged while Columbus has plummeted.

 

[KingJoffrey]

Sometimes teams just have a bad year. Tampa with their insane core didn't make playoffs couple years ago due the injuries. Tampa didn't fire their coach or gm after that. Same thing with Colorado. They were brutal that one year with same core players and they didn't fire Sakic or Bednar.

Columbus is a good spot with their young talent and good cap management. Look for Nashville for example. They pay huge money for very average players. Their situation is very bad. Re-sign Jones and Werenski,

Bring a new coach who brings smth new, but keeps hard working culture what Jarmo and Torts have build up over years. Draft well and don't overpay in UFA market.

 

[EDM]

Actually I do have very good idea about how Mije Priest interacts with the team. H a couple of deep inside contacts during the Howson era and heard quite a bit about the interaction between Priest and Howson. Who do you think came up with the idea to trade for Jeff Carter? It was not Hiwson’s idea. He was practically ordered to make the trade by Priest who had his heart set on getting Carter.

 

[EDM]

And if Jarmo is such an experienced management guy, tell me how he gave a huge UFA contract to Ethan Horton, a player with a history of back problems, without getting an insurance policy on Horton’s health to support the signing?

 

[Jan]

I do not understand your issue with Jarmo...
Except for this season, this team has progressed very well and done better in the playoff.

Last year the team over achieved and it was very difficult to make any real changes.

Contract negotiating seem to very hard for some player, with this team.
Which was a disappointment for a few, like Anderson and PLD and I think the wanted out because of partly that.
That is better than what Winnipeg did with 7.5 Million for Laine.
And if it is too easy to negotiate a contract for the players, then it will be very difficult to make any good team, with any Cap.

I would not change Manager now, but now it is time for Jarmo to show what his made of.
Will he be able to restock this team, without the need of a rebuild?

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Until last season, the CBJ were a middle-of-the-road goals production team and an above average defensive club.

So Torts could coach both ends of the ice well enough to get a borderline playoff team into the playoffs for 4 straight years and now he can't coach either offense or defense. Got it

Jarmac has assembled a roster which can't win in the NHL. Under any head coach. 4 more years! 4 more years!

 

[majormajor]

Actually I do have very good idea about how Mije Priest interacts with the team. H a couple of deep inside contacts during the Howson era and heard quite a bit about the interaction between Priest and Howson. Who do you think came up with the idea to trade for Jeff Carter? It was not Hiwson’s idea. He was practically ordered to make the trade by Priest who had his heart set on getting Carter.

So you got some second hand info ten years ago, so what? You're on a very public message board accusing someone of contributing to the Jackets recent troubles and you don't know if they've even touched a thing on the hockey operations side of the business in ten years. For all we know this person isn't involved at all.

 

[SuterHaglshev]

Jarmo is a top 5 -10 GM in the NHL.

Columbus is a good city, but most players view it as an opportunity to get their career started. Players are more in a hurry to leave than stay. Jarmo changed Blue Jacket culture with Panarin & Bobrovsky. There was no way of maintaining the mountain top he built.

I think Jarmo can build it back up faster than 80% of the GM's. He doesn't always hit home runs in the draft, but he's excellent at getting value from trades. Sure some fail trades, but again better than most GM's

 

[gocbj]

I am all for old school coaching and management but it does not work today. Period. The stuff Jarmo says is just crazy. He acts like we have something special here with our "culture".

"We talked about the culture...and that's what we want to continue" WHAT? Is he the only person in the NHL that knows the CBJ "culture" is losing? No 22, 23, 25, whatever year old kid wants to come here and have Grumpy jerk Jarmo leading the way.

I am tired of having a team year after year of 3rd liners "with grit" playing top line roles who have to play their absolute best and never get hurt in order for us to win games. I have said it before but it is the most accurate way for me to judge our real talent - look at Fantasy player rankings. On average we probably have the worst talent.

Yes it is great to chase another coach that can squeeze a #8 playoff seed out of the 14th best team in the conference, but how about this - change our management so we are an attractive place to play. Who wants to play for a bunch of bleep holes? Hey come play for Jarmo and his losing culture where he does not appreciate anyone. Woo Hoo!!

Columbus is a great place - Ask the dozen former players who live here. It isn't Columbus, it is Jarmo the grumpy grandpa who all the grandkids hate, and he just pounds his fist insisting that he is right!

 

[majormajor]

We can have a good convo about whether Jarmo is the best person to be making the big decisions but this opening post is full of confused nonsense.

"We talked about the culture...and that's what we want to continue" WHAT? Is he the only person in the NHL that knows the CBJ "culture" is losing?

Have you been in a cave for the last five years? Jackets are solidly top half in wins.

I am tired of having a team year after year of 3rd liners "with grit" playing top line roles who have to play their absolute best and never get hurt in order for us to win games

That team full of gritty checkers is what we just lost in the last year, as Howson's nasty players have moved on. I don't know what grit you saw on the ice. Jarmo is trying to go in a more skilled direction.

I have said it before but it is the most accurate way for me to judge our real talent - look at Fantasy player rankings. On average we probably have the worst talent

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That's good to know. If we switch from a Torts turtle defense to a wide open offense we can upgrade the fantasy rating of our entire team! Genius idea.

Yes it is great to chase another coach that can squeeze a #8 playoff seed out of the 14th best team in the conference, but how about this - change our management so we are an attractive place to play. Who wants to play for a bunch of bleep holes? Hey come play for Jarmo and his losing culture where he does not appreciate anyone. Woo Hoo!!

Columbus is a great place - Ask the dozen former players who live here. It isn't Columbus, it is Jarmo the grumpy grandpa who all the grandkids hate, and he just pounds his fist insisting that he is right!

So Columbus is an attractive place, it's just frosty old Jarmo that free agents don't want to work for? Got it.

It's funny, in the same ex-players interview where they counciled a warmer approach, they also described Jarmo as something like a genius hockey mind. That would be a GM I'd want to work for. Get a coach with a warm touch and a GM with a genius hockey mind.

 

[GoJackets1]

Yikes.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Well, he doesn't draft a bunch of people with career 3rd line potential. Torts was the square peg with the round hole for the types of players Jarmo has acquired. I'll wait until I see the coaching staff hiring before I jump off the cliff.

 

[LJ7]

Serious organizations don't fire their GM based on the results of an injury plagued nightmare pandemic season

 

[NotWendell]

Serious organizations don't fire their GM based on the results of an injury plagued nightmare pandemic season

That is the ONLY reason I haven't beat the drums harder for his dismissal. The last season and a half have been an anomaly is the truest sense of the word. By the way, are you saying the New York Rangers aren't a serious organization?

 

[LJ7]

That is the ONLY reason I haven't beat the drums harder for his dismissal. The last season and a half have been an anomaly is the truest sense of the word. By the way, are you saying the New York Rangers aren't a serious organization?

JD & The Straight Shot - Wikipedia

 

[JacketsDavid]

Serious organizations don't fire their GM based on the results of an injury plagued nightmare pandemic season

Most serious organization get to the 2nd round of the playoffs more than once every 8 years (since Jarmo started). Just pure facts show over 25% of the league makes it to the 2nd round each year, meaning after 8 years an average team has been there twice. I get it we went to the playoffs several years in a row, but after 20 years getting there isn't the goal (that's my opinion, maybe others are happy getting there and trusting that somehow someday the chips may fall right when the playoffs start).

Listen I'm not saying fire Jarmo but I do think you need more controls (or at least voices) on the hockey side. I don't honestly care if he is respected. I would rather have a guy every other team hated that was winning like crazy.

 

[Monk]

Most serious organization get to the 2nd round of the playoffs more than once every 8 years (since Jarmo started). Just pure facts show over 25% of the league makes it to the 2nd round each year, meaning after 8 years an average team has been there twice. I get it we went to the playoffs several years in a row, but after 20 years getting there isn't the goal (that's my opinion, maybe others are happy getting there and trusting that somehow someday the chips may fall right when the playoffs start).

Listen I'm not saying fire Jarmo but I do think you need more controls (or at least voices) on the hockey side. I don't honestly care if he is respected. I would rather have a guy every other team hated that was winning like crazy.

The Maple Leafs haven't won a series since 2004, so I guess they're not very serious either.

 

[JacketsDavid]

The Maple Leafs haven't won a series since 2004, so I guess they're not very serious either.

They are also on their 3rd GM in 8 years, so obviously they are not ok with what is happening (Nonis, Lamoriello and Dubas) with the one and dones.

 

[Monk]

They are also on their 3rd GM in 8 years, so obviously they are not ok with what is happening (Nonis, Lamoriello and Dubas) with the one and dones.

Or more specifically, they must not have liked the decisions the former GMs were making that led to a lack of postseason success.

Keeping Jarmo around doesn't automatically mean he/the team/the fans are "ok" with not having more playoff success, and not having playoff success doesn't automatically mean a GM is making poor decisions.

Feels like rather arbitrary numbers and math are being applied here so I can't follow it to a logical conclusion.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Or more specifically, they must not have liked the decisions the former GMs were making that led to a lack of postseason success.

Keeping Jarmo around doesn't automatically mean he/the team/the fans are "ok" with not having more playoff success, and not having playoff success doesn't automatically mean a GM is making poor decisions.

Feels like rather arbitrary numbers and math are being applied here so I can't follow it to a logical conclusion.

Logical conclusion is guys doing a good job keep their jobs. Those that don't lose their jobs.
For Columbus many folks are happy with Jarmo for having limited success.
In Toronto over same period of time (arguable they are in better shape than us right now, but they did have some bad years) they have been thru 3 GMs.

 

[Long Live Lyle]

Most serious organization get to the 2nd round of the playoffs more than once every 8 years (since Jarmo started). Just pure facts show over 25% of the league makes it to the 2nd round each year, meaning after 8 years an average team has been there twice. I get it we went to the playoffs several years in a row, but after 20 years getting there isn't the goal (that's my opinion, maybe others are happy getting there and trusting that somehow someday the chips may fall right when the playoffs start).

Listen I'm not saying fire Jarmo but I do think you need more controls (or at least voices) on the hockey side. I don't honestly care if he is respected. I would rather have a guy every other team hated that was winning like crazy.

This is also a bit unfair because in all 3 of the years we lost in the first round, that team went on to win the Stanley Cup. And in 2 of the 3 (Tampa and Washington) we were arguably the biggest challenge/most threatening of their 4 series wins. And I guess part of the rationale that could be slightly fair is we put ourselves in bad seeding, but then you look at the third of those years (Pittsburgh) and we had the 4th-most points in all of hockey.