The Great Wyatt Kalynuk Appreciation thread (And former Hawks talk vol 8)

[ChiHawks10]

Yes, you should. We could have a informed conversation how its a completely murky case. How Sopel and Boynton claimed that Aldrich was "trying to grab him". Thats a lot different then he was sexually assaulted. How a player in 2014 in the AHL was taunting him about receiving a blow job.

There seems to be so many different stories on what people knew and the rumors going around. What Beach told who. I don't know how you can morally write someone off and then spout it online without knowing the truth. Especially if you are just making stuff up about practicing together and letters of recommendation and such. That's me tho.

It was actually multiple players chasing him around the ice calling him "Homophobic Slur".

And I'm pretty sure you have me confused with someone else at this point... I have never mentioned anything about letters of recommendation, and have never made anything up.

The stuff I said about Black Aces was generalized about ALL of the Black Aces around the league... and it's not made up... lol. They regularly practice with players that are on the ice more. Guys who are working on different aspects of their game. Your 3rd and 4th line guys who stay on the ice when most your stars or top 6/top 4 get off the ice. There are some players who want more practice/ice time, and the black aces usually work with them. They also interact with coaches. They travel with the team. They go into the locker room. They stay at the same hotels as the team. They eat meals with them, and go out with them. Absolutely none of that is made up...

Yes, it's murky. I don't believe all the vague nonsense from the coaches/staff interviewed. I don't believe their response that none of them remember the details of what was discussed in any of these meetings or phone calls. You don't forget something like that happening, or the details of it. It's something that will get burned into your head. Their responses all seem like they're covering shit up about what they all knew. Like they were prepped years before to keep their stories straight.

And AGAIN... I'm basing my opinion of Q on what I DO KNOW. His responses regarding the playoffs, winnings cups, upsetting team chemistry, etc. And him lying about having no knowledge of it to cover his ass, and it turning out that he was present for the initial meeting, and DID know about the incident. Did you need the details of that, too? How he was called in after it had already started after the win, and thought it was odd for that to happen?

Jesus, I can't believe I have to write that for like the 5th or 6th time.

 

[BHawk21]

It was actually multiple players chasing him around the ice calling him "Homophobic Slur".

And I'm pretty sure you have me confused with someone else at this point... I have never mentioned anything about letters of recommendation, and have never made anything up.

The stuff I said about Black Aces was generalized about ALL of the Black Aces around the league... and it's not made up... lol. They regularly practice with players that are on the ice more. Guys who are working on different aspects of their game. Your 3rd and 4th line guys who stay on the ice when most your stars or top 6/top 4 get off the ice. There are some players who want more practice/ice time, and the black aces usually work with them. They also interact with coaches. They travel with the team. They go into the locker room. They stay at the same hotels as the team. Absolutely none of that is made up...

Yea I just dont know why you would generalize. You said they practiced together and were in his locker room and blah blah. They werent tho.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Any further personal attacks will not be tolerated. Heads up given.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Yea I just dont know why you would generalize. You said they practiced together and were in his locker room and blah blah. They werent tho.

...

You honestly believe that they were never in the locker room, and never practiced with any of the Hawks during the playoffs? That they never discussed and/or worked with any of the Hawks coaches during the playoffs? That they didn't sit in on team meetings? The f***ing report even talks about Q or other coaches talking to Black Aces about their play. They also eat meals with Hawks players, stay at the hotels with the coaches and players, travel with the players and coaches, etc. These guys step in at a moment's notice after an injury or suspension, during the most important games of a team's season... so I can tell you with 100% certainty that they are prepared...

 

[BHawk21]

...

You honestly believe that they were never in the locker room, and never practiced with any of the Hawks during the playoffs? That they never discussed and/or worked with any of the Hawks coaches during the playoffs? That they didn't sit in on team meetings? The f***ing report even talks about Q or other coaches talking to Black Aces. These guys step in at a moment's notice after an injury or suspension... so I can tell you with 100% certainty that they are prepared...

Im saying the report said they didnt practice together and were at a different rink. You said they did. Im going off the report.

You think Qs a bad guy and shouldnt coach again. Fine.

I think we dont know the truth and its tough to tarnish a person, their career, and legacy without knowing what actually took place.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Im saying the report said they didnt practice together and were at a different rink. You said they did. Im going off the report.

And you believe that? Even though everything you can read/find about Black Aces around the entire league contradicts that statement? None of that was a focus of the investigation and there are no more details about it in the report, just a single line talking about them not practicing together and being in a different rink? I mean... that's not suspicious to you? Come on.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Im saying the report said they didnt practice together and were at a different rink. You said they did. Im going off the report.

You think Qs a bad guy and shouldnt coach again. Fine.

I think we dont know the truth and its tough to tarnish a person, their career, and legacy without knowing what actually took place.

Why do I have to say this again? My opinion is based off of what we DO KNOW about him and his involvement...

As far as the report goes, I've always been taught to question shit if it seems "off". And I'm sorry, but there's a lot in that report that comes off as suspicious.

And I'm one person on an internet message board... lol. I'm not a member of the press writing hit pieces on Q. I'm not tarnishing anything. I've said multiple times I liked him as a coach even...

 

[BHawk21]

Why do I have to say this again? My opinion is based off of what we DO KNOW about him and his involvement...

As far as the report goes, I've always been taught to question shit if it seems "off". And I'm sorry, but there's a lot in that report that comes off as suspicious.

And I'm one person on an internet message board... lol. I'm not a member of the press writing hit pieces on Q. I'm not tarnishing anything. I've said multiple times I liked him as a coach even...

So your opinion is based on what you do know from the report but your questioning the report because its comes of as suspicious. Got it. We disagree. Back to hockey.

 

[ChiHawks10]

So your opinion is based on what you do know from the report but your questioning the report because its comes of as suspicious. Got it. We disagree. Back to hockey.

My opinion is what I know from more than just the report... more than just the report reported on this incident. There are news articles and testimonies all over the place...

But sure, we disagree. Moving on.

 

[ClydeLee]

It was actually multiple players chasing him around the ice calling him "Homophobic Slur".

And I'm pretty sure you have me confused with someone else at this point... I have never mentioned anything about letters of recommendation, and have never made anything up.

The stuff I said about Black Aces was generalized about ALL of the Black Aces around the league... and it's not made up... lol. They regularly practice with players that are on the ice more. Guys who are working on different aspects of their game. Your 3rd and 4th line guys who stay on the ice when most your stars or top 6/top 4 get off the ice. There are some players who want more practice/ice time, and the black aces usually work with them. They also interact with coaches. They travel with the team. They go into the locker room. They stay at the same hotels as the team. They eat meals with them, and go out with them. Absolutely none of that is made up...

Yes, it's murky. I don't believe all the vague nonsense from the coaches/staff interviewed. I don't believe their response that none of them remember the details of what was discussed in any of these meetings or phone calls. You don't forget something like that happening, or the details of it. It's something that will get burned into your head. Their responses all seem like they're covering shit up about what they all knew. Like they were prepped years before to keep their stories straight.

And AGAIN... I'm basing my opinion of Q on what I DO KNOW. His responses regarding the playoffs, winnings cups, upsetting team chemistry, etc. And him lying about having no knowledge of it to cover his ass, and it turning out that he was present for the initial meeting, and DID know about the incident. Did you need the details of that, too? How he was called in after it had already started after the win, and thought it was odd for that to happen?

Jesus, I can't believe I have to write that for like the 5th or 6th time.

I think they may clearly be a difference to what guys knew in the playoffs to what they knew in training camp and then Onward.

But this notion you dont forget traumatic or shocking things more is so scientifically inaccurate. Study after study of actual memory and recollection show how memory flawed and reconstructive. People think you recall the tragic events but actually people jumble stories and change it without realizing all the time. Or outright forget most of what happened in their lives. Q still had no reason to say what he did that summer as the Panther coach. But we don't know if he or players all recall things accurately or not.

Hell even with the players that remember. Boynton said he learned it from Dowell in the playoffs, but Dowell had a comment that he only recalls learning at training camp. Some leap to say someone's lying, the more likely reality is people forget things over 10 years time. And this thought big events are remembered doesn't actually ring true.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I think they may clearly be a difference to what guys knew in the playoffs to what they knew in training camp and then Onward.

But this notion you dont forget traumatic or shocking things more is so scientifically inaccurate. Study after study of actual memory and recollection show how memory flawed and reconstructive. People think you recall the tragic events but actually people jumble stories and change it without realizing all the time. Or outright forget most of what happened in their lives. Q still had no reason to say what he did that summer as the Panther coach. But we don't know if he or players all recall things accurately or not.

Hell even with the players that remember. Boynton said he learned it from Dowell in the playoffs, but Dowell had a comment that he only recalls learning at training camp. Some leap to say someone's lying, the more likely reality is people forget things over 10 years time. And this thought big events are remembered doesn't actually ring true.

Yes, much of the time the victims can't recall things well, because the brain works to block out the trauma. I'm not speaking about the victims. I'm speaking about the people involved within the front office and coaching staff.

I can easily go back, and remember quite vividly, the details of situations with my jobs, or personal life, at least 10 years back, or more.

People who were fired, details of meetings, including resignation/exit interviews. Stories from my personal life that are cemented in my mind. I can remember exact things that were said, people's names that were involved, the circumstances surrounding these things, details of where they took place, and my surroundings, etc. And these were much smaller incidents than a sexual assault.

No one else thinks it's just slightly odd that most of these front office/coaching staff have the exact same story of what occurred, down to the same or very similar wording? Looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck...

 

[MarotteMarauder]

Hockey is a very small community.

At the NHL level it is even smaller.

Everyone knew, to varying degrees, that something shitty was going on.

 

[Pertti]

Could this Beach case move to one of the Beach threads, thank you.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

I'm just pointing out that Hagel scored 30 this year and the chances the two first rounders the Hawks got for him doing similar is relatively slim.

Draft picks!!! Yay!!!

 

[Muffinalt]

Could this Beach case move to one of the Beach threads, thank you.

Yeah please...

 

[Hawkaholic]

I'm just pointing out that Hagel scored 30 this year and the chances the two first rounders the Hawks got for him doing similar is relatively slim.

Draft picks!!! Yay!!!

Who cares? By the time we are ready to compete, Hagel will be in his late 20s making 6mil+ a year. How does that help us?

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Who cares? By the time we are ready to compete, Hagel will be in his late 20s making 6mil+ a year. How does that help us?

Also him scoring 30ish goals for the Hawks right now could just f*** up the tank.

 

[Blackhawks]

Q would be awesome behind the Hawks bench if we get Beddard, this team is garbage and needs to turn this garbage ship around.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Q would be awesome behind the Hawks bench if we get Beddard, this team is garbage and needs to turn this garbage ship around.

Hell f***ing no.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Who cares? By the time we are ready to compete, Hagel will be in his late 20s making 6mil+ a year. How does that help us?

How have the draft picks helped, tho?

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Also him scoring 30ish goals for the Hawks right now could just f*** up the tank.

Lol wat?

The Hawks are dog piss. Brandon friggin Hagel doesn't move any needle

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Lol wat?

The Hawks are dog piss. Brandon friggin Hagel doesn't move any needle

So adding Hagel nets the Hawks 0 points over an 82 game season? One win was all it took in the second to last game of the year to move the Hawks from the best odds at 1 overall to 3rd. One more point would have moved the Hawks to 4th best odds.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

So adding Hagel nets the Hawks 0 points over an 82 game season? One win was all it took in the second to last game of the year to move the Hawks from the best odds at 1 overall to 3rd. One more point would have moved the Hawks to 4th best odds.

Who cares?

You are at the mercy of ping pong balls and expecting professional hockey players to purposely lose games because of this whole entitlement thing Hawks fans have is down right creepy. It's like clicking tankathon has some sort of impact on the actual draft.

24 year old 30 goal scorers don't grow on trees. Same with Debrincat. There's certain voices saying the Hawks should blow their high first on Leonard when the jury is out of they did draft him he would be half as good as Hagel who they already had. Pick 20 in this coming draft is about where your scouts need to do their homework and the jury is still out if this regime knows what they're doing. Using Alex Debrincat, a 40 goal scorer in the nhl, to get Korchinski, doesn't give me too much confidence, but thats just me. Saying Hagel and Debrincat would be too old or two pricey for a rebuild is just a paper excuse. Both would be around 28/29 and still in their prime. Instead of bringing in the free agent vet you'd have two impact guys already. So that's basically a dumb excuse to jettison two players for lottery tickets. And if KD blows those draft picks he just looks more dumb.

Subtraction by addition doesn't help one bit.

 

[Northernhawk]

I'm just pointing out that Hagel scored 30 this year and the chances the two first rounders the Hawks got for him doing similar is relatively slim.

Draft picks!!! Yay!!!

Gotta remember that Hagel was a Sabres pick…they didn’t sign him…grew his game under the Sutters’ coaching(along with RJohnson)…he would have been a Kyle Calder on a bad team for a few years here, he was moved for Raddysh and Katchouk, two equally talented junior similiar players…AND TWO MORE top 32 players…definitely a good trade, Raddysh had 20 goals
I see Cole Guttman as ANOTHER Hagel, unsigned by TB…

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I'm just pointing out that Hagel scored 30 this year and the chances the two first rounders the Hawks got for him doing similar is relatively slim.

Draft picks!!! Yay!!!

Raddysh had 20 G in his 2nd NHL season playing with inferior talent

Curious why are you obsessed with Hagel and his 30 goals but seem to be ignoring Raddysh and his 20 goals?

Raddysh + Katchouk + 2023 1st and 2024 1st for Hagel and some 4th's is the deal and right now it looks very win/win