The Great Wyatt Kalynuk Appreciation thread (And former Hawks talk vol 8)

[BHawk21]

Lol. I liked him as a coach. I think he's a trash person.

And the report by the team's law firm, that they hired, that can be fluffed up with "lawyer speak" to be purposefully vague and/or misleading? Lol. The same one that says Rocky didn't have any clue that any of this happened?

Literally every article I find on black aces AROUND THE LEAGUE says they practice with members of the team regularly. These guys can be called on to fill in at a moment's notice due to injury or suspension, and you want me to believe they practice fully separate, at all times, with no one from the Hawks or their coaching staff? They may not be on the ice for every regular practice, but they're on the ice with a lot of the regular rostered players, in the locker room, traveling with the team, staying in the hotels with them, interacting with the players and coaches, etc. If you weren't so blinded by your love of a trash person, then maybe you'd actually watch or read some of the stuff specific to black aces around the entire league. Not just a fluffed up report made by lawyers that the Hawks organization hired...

Jesus, you're either dumb as a box of rocks, or the most naïve person I've ever met.

I've made zero false claims. None. Everything you're purporting to be the 100% absolute truth comes from a report that the Hawks paid a company to write...

I defended the law firm in the past, but the report is obviously written to favor the Hawks in this situation.

Read this again. The litigation law firm that has their reputation and billions of dollars at stake said one thing and you are arguing another. You are using articles you are finding about other teams for your own confirmation bias.

Q might be a complete monster that doesnt care about one of his organizations prospects getting sexually assualted. I dont know theres certainly conflicting reports into what details anyone knew. Pretending you do without looking into at all is just flat stupid.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Read this again. The litigation law firm that has their reputation and billions of dollars at stake said one thing and you are arguing another. You are using articles you are finding about other teams for your own confirmation bias.

Q might be a complete monster that doesnt care about one of his organizations prospects getting sexually assualted. I dont know. Pretending you do without looking into at all is just flat stupid.

Lol. Lawyers have never been known to lie. Or whitewash the truth. Or put out false reports.

I'm basing my opinion off of what I DO know. He knew about it. He didn't care, didn't help, didn't do anything, because... Cups... and he 100% lied about having knowledge of it, when he, in fact, DID, and then resigned his position as a coach of another team due to his actions/inactions in this situation, while basically admitting that he failed Beach. This guy was still trying to lie about having any knowledge of it when the whole f***ing world found out about it. Get a clue, Take Q off the pedestal you have him on, and put Beach up on it for having the balls to come out and expose it.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Q at the very least lied about what he knew and when he knew it. It's a rough look to hire the man.

Very good coach. I think somebody bites the bullet and hires him. I wouldn't want it to be my team.

 

[BHawk21]

Q at the very least lied about what he knew and when he knew it. It's a rough look to hire the man.

Very good coach. I think somebody bites the bullet and hires him. I wouldn't want it to be my team.

Fair. The difference between knowing someone was trying to hook up with a guy or sexual assualt is a big gap.

Lol. Lawyers have never been known to lie. Or whitewash the truth. Or put out false reports.

I'm basing my opinion off of what I DO know. He knew about it. He didn't care, didn't help, didn't do anything, because... Cups... and he 100% lied about having knowledge of it, when he, in fact, DID, and then resigned his position as a coach of another team due to his actions/inactions in this situation, while basically admitting that he failed Beach. This guy was still trying to lie about having any knowledge of it when the whole f***ing world found out about it. Get a clue, Take Q off the pedestal you have him on, and put Beach up on it for having the balls to come out and expose it.

what is it? because the whole report has about 10 people claiming that it was about trying to hook up with beach and another black ace and not there was already a sexual assault that had taken place.

HUGE difference. You havent looked into it so you wouldnt know.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Fair. The difference between knowing someone was trying to hook up with a guy or sexual assualt is a big gap.


what is it? because the whole report has about 10 people claiming that it was about trying to hook up with beach and another black ace and not there was already a sexual assault that had taken place.

HUGE difference. You havent looked into it so you wouldnt know.

Lol. Again, I looked into it all plenty. I was discussing this for weeks before you were even registered and posting on here...

And on that note, I'm done with this stupidity.

 

[MarotteMarauder]

Q lied about what he knew and when he knew it. Full Stop.

The coach involved was a direct hire by Q IIRC. Full stop.

He mumbles a couple of sentences about how he owns his part., guess what? Owning it means you're done in hockey. Period

 

[BHawk21]

Lol. Again, I looked into it all plenty. I was discussing this for weeks before you were even registered and posting on here...

And on that note, I'm done with this stupidity.

How can you continue to act like its confirmed that Q knew about a sexual assualt taking place and did nothing about it? If you had read the whole Jenner and Block report theres no way you could say without a doubt that is true.

I guess just jumping to conclusions without looking at everything as a whole.

Also I am not saying he didnt know the truth. Just dont know how you can damn someone without at least looking at the information.

Q lied about what he knew and when he knew it. Full Stop.

The coach involved was a direct hire by Q IIRC. Full stop.

He mumbles a couple of sentences about how he owns his part., guess what? Owning it means you're done in hockey. Period

He was hired by Dale because Dale was friends with Doug Wilson. Aldrich's dad was the equipment manager of the sharks. He was hired while Savard was coaching. Its all in the report you just have to read it instead of making shit up. Full Stop

 

[x Tame Impala]

you didnt ready what I typed?


I agree with this but I dont think it means hes guilty of covering up a sexual assualt.

you didnt ready what I typed?


I agree with this but I dont think it means hes guilty of covering up a sexual assualt.

He’s guilty enough to not ever coach again is what we’re all saying.

 

[BHawk21]

He’s guilty enough to not ever coach again is what we’re all saying.

thats not what everyone is saying but if thats what you come up with after knowing all the information that seems reasonable but if a team looks into it and feels differently idk.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Q lied about what he knew and when he knew it. Full Stop.

The coach involved was a direct hire by Q IIRC. Full stop.

He mumbles a couple of sentences about how he owns his part., guess what? Owning it means you're done in hockey. Period

Precisely

thats not what everyone is saying but if thats what you come up with after knowing all the information that seems reasonable but if a team looks into it and feels differently idk.

A nearly billion dollar franchise wanting a proven coach to come in and win hockey games for them doesn’t validate or excuse Q’s behavior. Whatever the grey area is…he knew enough to not coach anymore

 

[ChiHawks10]

How can you continue to act like its confirmed that Q knew about a sexual assualt taking place and did nothing about it? If you had read the whole Jenner and Block report theres no way you could say without a doubt that is true.

I guess just jumping to conclusions without looking at everything as a whole.

Also I am not saying he didnt know the truth. Just dont know how you can damn someone without at least looking at the information.



He was hired by Dale because Dale was friends with Doug Wilson. Aldrich's dad was the equipment manager of the sharks. He was hired while Savard was coaching. Its all in the report you just have to read it instead of making shit up. Full Stop

You struggle with reading comprehension. No less than twice I've said that I'm basing my opinion on what we DO know. Nowhere have I said "Q 100% knew it was a sexual assault that took place." So stop making shit up.

I'm basing my opinion off of what I DO know. He knew about it. He didn't care, didn't help, didn't do anything, because... Cups... and he 100% lied about having knowledge of it, when he, in fact, DID, and then resigned his position as a coach of another team due to his actions/inactions in this situation, while basically admitting that he failed Beach. This guy was still trying to lie about having any knowledge of it when the whole f***ing world found out about it. Get a clue, Take Q off the pedestal you have him on, and put Beach up on it for having the balls to come out and expose it.

IT being a (negative)incident involving one of his players and a coach that was important enough for it to go to the brass of the entire organization in the middle of the playoffs, at which point it was pretty much completely dismissed on account of playoff hockey and winning a Cup.(as quoted by numerous members of the Hawks organization, including Q, have indicated). An incident that forced the Hawks management to request this scumbag video coach's resignation within a few weeks of the playoffs ending. This isn't difficult...

I'm entitled to my opinion that he's a piece of shit human, just as you're entitled to think that he's the perfect human being who did absolutely nothing wrong.(lol)

 

[BHawk21]

You struggle with reading comprehension. No less than twice I've said that I'm basing my opinion on what we DO know. Nowhere have I said "Q knew it was a sexual assault that took place." So stop making shit up.



IT being a (negative)incident involving one of his players and a coach that was important enough for it to go to the brass of the entire organization in the middle of the playoffs, at which point it was pretty much completely dismissed on account of playoff hockey and winning a Cup.(as quotes by numerous members of the Hawks organization have indicated). An incident that forced the Hawks management to request this scumbag video coach's resignation within a few weeks of the playoffs ending. This isn't difficult...

I'm entitled to my opinion that he's a piece of shit human, just as you're entitled to think that he's the perfect human being who did absolutely nothing wrong.(lol)

I dont think hes a piece of shit or a perfect human at all. Im not advocating for him to coach ever again. I do think you are a moron who has made up their mind based on what little information they have consumed on the subject and generalized everything to conclude the guy you dont like is the devil.

Making stuff up like I think he did nothing wrong makes you look dumb. I have no idea what he knew (neither do you).

but I can also see that its a nuanced issue and you cannot.

Heres how I see it from Qs point of view from actually reading the report (unlike yourself). I am open to anyone having a differing opinion on the matter again its not black and white. Theres not even a clear story of who was at the apartment when the assaults took place!

The Hawks won the 2010 series against the Sharks. He gets called into a meeting half way through and hour after the game. He sits down Gray and MacIssac say theres an issue where Aldrich is tryin to sleep with Beach and Black Ace 1 and is being inappropriate. Q gets pissed like what the hell do you have me in this meeting for your the front office you handle it. Hes focused on winning the cup not engaging in, what at the time, seemed to be at most a sexual harassment issue. McDonough and/or Gray say they are going to handle it. Q goes back to working for the 2 weeks and they win. Aldrich gets let go. Time passes and in 2020 people figure out the extent of the crime. Q says he didnt know about anything to a Florida reporter instead of no comment to save his own ass.

Does that make him a piece of shit. I dunno.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I dont think hes a piece of shit or a perfect human at all. Im not advocating for him to coach ever again. I do think you are a moron who has made up their mind based on what little information they have consumed on the subject and generalized everything to conclude the guy you dont like is the devil.

Making stuff up like I think he did nothing wrong makes you look dumb. I have no idea what he knew (neither do you).

but I can also see that its a nuanced issue and you cannot.

Heres how I see it from Qs point of view from actually reading the report (unlike yourself). I am open to anyone having a differing opinion on the matter again its not black and white. Theres not even a clear story of who was at the apartment when the assaults took place!

The hawks won the 2010 series against the hawks. He gets called into a meeting half way through. He sits down Gray and MacIssac say theres an issue where Aldrich is tryin to sleep with Beach and Black Ace 1 and is being inappropriate. Q gets pissed like what the hell do you have me in this meeting for your the front office you handle it. Hes focused on winning the cup not engaging in, what at the time, seemed to be at most a sexual harassment issue. McDonough and Gray say they are going to handle it. Q goes back to working for the 2 weeks and they win. Aldrich gets let go. Time passes and in 2020 people figure out the extent of the issue. Q says he didnt know about anything to a Florida reporter instead of no comment to save his own ass.

Does that make him a piece of shit. I dunno.

Just the fact that you think any part of a sexual assault, and subsequent cover-up of said sexual assault, for over a decade, by the same people who are entrusted to protect this kid, is "nuanced" tells me all I need to know about you and this discussion. There's a reason Q resigned and is no longer coaching in the NHL, and can't ever again, without explicit permission from the commissioner of the league. And it's not because the NHL needed good PR. I'll be moving on now.

 

[Space umpire]

He’s guilty enough to not ever coach again is what we’re all saying.

Not all of us.

 

[Space umpire]

I dont think hes a piece of shit or a perfect human at all. Im not advocating for him to coach ever again. I do think you are a moron who has made up their mind based on what little information they have consumed on the subject and generalized everything to conclude the guy you dont like is the devil.

Making stuff up like I think he did nothing wrong makes you look dumb. I have no idea what he knew (neither do you).

but I can also see that its a nuanced issue and you cannot.

Heres how I see it from Qs point of view from actually reading the report (unlike yourself). I am open to anyone having a differing opinion on the matter again its not black and white. Theres not even a clear story of who was at the apartment when the assaults took place!

The Hawks won the 2010 series against the Sharks. He gets called into a meeting half way through and hour after the game. He sits down Gray and MacIssac say theres an issue where Aldrich is tryin to sleep with Beach and Black Ace 1 and is being inappropriate. Q gets pissed like what the hell do you have me in this meeting for your the front office you handle it. Hes focused on winning the cup not engaging in, what at the time, seemed to be at most a sexual harassment issue. McDonough and/or Gray say they are going to handle it. Q goes back to working for the 2 weeks and they win. Aldrich gets let go. Time passes and in 2020 people figure out the extent of the crime. Q says he didnt know about anything to a Florida reporter instead of no comment to save his own ass.

Does that make him a piece of shit. I dunno.

You should just give it up. People who have not read the report or what came from the commissioners office have made up their minds.
Let them be. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Pez68]

You should just give it up. People who have not read the report or what came from the commissioners office have made up their minds.
Let them be. Ignorance is bliss.

Or, and I know this might be a shocker to you.... People did read the report, and what came from the commissioner's office, and still believe that anyone involved in the Beach situation should be out of hockey forever. Weird that people can have differing opinions on something, I know.

The biggest red flag is that Q LIED about knowing about the whole thing. His comments about it being a distraction are absolute garbage tier human, as well. Never mind his complete and total failure when it came to protecting his young player....

 

[ChiHawks10]

You should just give it up. People who have not read the report or what came from the commissioners office have made up their minds.
Let them be. Ignorance is bliss.

I've read the report. I've seen everything there is to see about this. I've read countless articles and interviews about it. Just because some assclown thinks I haven't is irrelevant to my opinion that Q is a trash human and has no business ever working in the NHL again. I think the same of Bowman and anyone else who was involved in the cover-up. Trash humans, who have no business being in this business ever again. These people were more concerned with winning a f***ing trophy than they were with the health and welfare of a kid. That's disgusting. Especially when you figure that the vast majority of them have children.

 

[swerdnase]

Honest question, Aldrich was given a choice of an investigation or to resign. He chose to resign which means officially there was no investigation. Would the organization be able to mention the incident at all legally? Anyone know? Asking because saying "cover up" implies that they should have said something and I'm not sure if they legally could.

 

[ClydeLee]

Honest question, Aldrich was given a choice of an investigation or to resign. He chose to resign which means officially there was no investigation. Would the organization be able to mention the incident at all legally? Anyone know? Asking because saying "cover up" implies that they should have said something and I'm not sure if they legally could.

I think a few people go overthe top with cover up. But they did the legal "safe" thing. But still even with that, they did it a month later than they should have. And it's a disaster for many reasons. I believe in the report or whitehead reporting another intern had accused him of something at the cup parade. And other interns said things had happened throughout the year.

To me the biggest issue has always been that he got off with the clean sheet. Even Team USA also could of listened to Beach, but all these organizations playing the legal route is what caused him the chance to abuse the highschooler. It's a big issue with the legal saving your skin method.

 

[BHawk21]

Or, and I know this might be a shocker to you.... People did read the report, and what came from the commissioner's office, and still believe that anyone involved in the Beach situation should be out of hockey forever. Weird that people can have differing opinions on something, I know.

The biggest red flag is that Q LIED about knowing about the whole thing. His comments about it being a distraction are absolute garbage tier human, as well. Never mind his complete and total failure when it came to protecting his young player....

You two bozo brothers dont seem to understand the most important part. What they knew.

I think a few people go overthe top with cover up. But they did the legal "safe" thing. But still even with that, they did it a month later than they should have. And it's a disaster for many reasons. I believe in the report or whitehead reporting another intern had accused him of something at the cup parade. And other interns said things had happened throughout the year.

To me the biggest issue has always been that he got off with the clean sheet. Even Team USA also could of listened to Beach, but all these organizations playing the legal route is what caused him the chance to abuse the highschooler. It's a big issue with the legal saving your skin method.

This is what I dont understand. HR saying ok we can investigate or you can resign? Thats nuts.

I've read the report. I've seen everything there is to see about this. I've read countless articles and interviews about it. Just because some assclown thinks I haven't is irrelevant to my opinion that Q is a trash human and has no business ever working in the NHL again. I think the same of Bowman and anyone else who was involved in the cover-up. Trash humans, who have no business being in this business ever again. These people were more concerned with winning a f***ing trophy than they were with the health and welfare of a kid. That's disgusting. Especially when you figure that the vast majority of them have children.

Thats fair if you knew what they knew but again you have no idea.

You have not read it.

 

[Space umpire]

You two bozo brothers dont seem to understand the most important part. What they knew.


This is what I dont understand. HR saying ok we can investigate or you can resign? Thats nuts.



Thats fair if you knew what they knew but again you have no idea.

You have not read it.

Just because they don’t share your (our) opinion doesn’t make anyone a bozo.
It’s a message board. People have opinions. Get over it.

Why would a business investigate a non employee? In the corporate world resigning is often an option before being subject to further disciplinary action (including termination).

I always go back to 3 things.
1) All the evidence says they knew something happened. It does not show they knew an actual sexual assault occurred.
2) In real life if the president or VP of the company says he will handle something the managers below him will stand down.
3) (to the best of my knowledge) No actual criminal act occurred. Beach gave some info to 1 guy but didn’t go public, didn’t contact the police or a lawyer.

So my question is, what exactly were those operating under McD supposed to do?

 

[BHawk21]

Just because they don’t share your (our) opinion doesn’t make anyone a bozo.
It’s a message board. People have opinions. Get over it.

Why would a business investigate a non employee? In the corporate world resigning is often an option before being subject to further disciplinary action (including termination).

I always go back to 3 things.
1) All the evidence says they knew something happened. It does not show they knew an actual sexual assault occurred.
2) In real life if the president or VP of the company says he will handle something the managers below him will stand down.
3) (to the best of my knowledge) No actual criminal act occurred. Beach gave some info to 1 guy but didn’t go public, didn’t contact the police or a lawyer.

So my question is, what exactly were those operating under McD supposed to do?

Those two guys are bozos. You can have the opinion that Q is a bad person. Your entitled to that. I think its irresponsible to spout false info online in such a serious case. I believe they made up their mind because of the dislike for him as a coach at the end of his run. That makes it even more ridiculous. Either way those two guys are bozos.

 

[Space umpire]

Those two guys are bozos. You can have the opinion that Q is a bad person. I dont know that. Either way those two guys are bozos.

I’ve been posting with most of these folks on Hawks boards since the mid/late 1990’s.

So yes maybe they are bozo’s. Right now I’m thinking the same about you. As for me? I know I’m a bozo.

Does that make you feel better?

 

[ChiHawks10]

You two bozo brothers dont seem to understand the most important part. What they knew.


This is what I dont understand. HR saying ok we can investigate or you can resign? Thats nuts.



Thats fair if you knew what they knew but again you have no idea.

You have not read it.

Lol. Ok. Sure I didn't.

If you want to believe the wishy-washy report of every single coach/front office person "not remembering" the things said in the meetings about this during the playoffs in San Jose and after, then by all means, go ahead. For me, all of them "not remembering the details of what was discussed" is absolute horseshit, and a very convenient excuse given to the investigators. Them all having the same nonsensical "we heard of an unwanted sexual advance" or "we heard he tried to get him in the sheets" comes off as scripted responses.

You're naïve. All of these guys "not remembering" the details of the meetings is simply them trying to save their asses. Very easy to go back and say "It was 10 years ago, I don't really remember the details of what was discussed." You really think that not a single person involved in the meetings about this situation remembers any of the details of what was discussed, outside of them all saying "All we heard was there were unwanted sexual advances"? These guys all seem like they were prepped to give the same vague responses to what happened, what was said, and what was known. Sorry, that's suspicious to me.

Again, I'm basing things off what I do know. Their responses that we DO know about. The multiple testimonies that multiple front office staff and coaches "didn't want bad PR, or to upset team chemistry" and "It's hard to win a Cup, we may never get the chance again" shit. I'm basing it off of Q knowingly lying that he had no knowledge of the situation. My opinion is based off what we DO know.

Please, tell me where I've spread ANY false information? I haven't. You just struggle with reading. As evidenced by the fact that I've said no less than 3-4 times that I'm basing my opinion off of what we DO know about the situation.

And I'll say it again. I read the report. I've been discussing this issue since before you were ever even posting on this board. You're clueless.

 

[BHawk21]

I’ve been posting with most of these folks on Hawks boards since the mid/late 1990’s.

So yes maybe they are bozo’s. Right now I’m thinking the same about you. As for me? I know I’m a bozo.

Does that make you feel better?

Why are you trying to get into with me? I may be wrong but I dont recall engaging with you at all.

Lol. Ok. Sure I didn't.

If you want to believe the wishy-washy report of every single coach/front office person "not remembering" the things said in the meetings about this during the playoffs in San Jose and after, then by all means, go ahead. For me, all of them "not remembering the details of what was discussed" is absolute horseshit, and a very convenient excuse given to the investigators.

You're naïve. All of these guys "not remembering" the details of the meetings is simply them trying to save their asses. Very easy to go back and say "It was 10 years ago, I don't really remember the details of what was discussed." You really think that not a single person involved in the meetings about this situation remembers any of the details of what was discussed, outside of them all saying "All we heard was there were unwanted sexual advances"? These guys all seem like they were prepped to give the same vague responses to what happened, what was said, and what was known. Sorry, that's suspicious to me.

Again, I'm basing things off what I do know. Their responses that we DO know about. The multiple testimonies that multiple front office staff and coaches "didn't want bad PR, or to upset team chemistry" and "It's hard to win a Cup, we may never get the chance again" shit. I'm basing it off of Q knowingly lying that he had no knowledge of the situation. My opinion is based off what we DO know. Jesus your reading comprehension has to be at like a 3rd grade level.

Please, tell me where I've spread ANY false information? I haven't. You just struggle with reading.

yea you still have not read it. You read a few headlines and your stuck on that. Your entitled to your opinion its just hard to believe you looked at everything and decided its open and shut.