The Great Wyatt Kalynuk Appreciation thread (And former Hawks talk vol 8)

[MarotteMarauder]

Would love to see Q back behind the bench.

Why?

 

[Hawkaholic]

Why?

Great coach, his team's play exciting hockey.

 

[MTU34]

Great coach, his team's play exciting hockey.

That’s all well and good but he was an active participant in a sexual assault coverup and is a large part of why the organization failed Kyle Beach. Not to mention he literally wrote a positive review that allowed Aldrich to get another job and sexually assault a minor

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

That’s all well and good but he was an active participant in a sexual assault coverup and is a large part of why the organization failed Kyle Beach. Not to mention he literally wrote a positive review that allowed Aldrich to get another job and sexually assault a minor

That is completely false

Just one of the many things that was not true that among other details of reporting.

Several journalists including Strang and the actual investigation proved that a false claim

That's certainly a take, given his involvement in the Beach catastrophe, and the positive review he gave a convicted sexual predator and pedophile.

You mean the copy and paste done on all coaches from previous years review that was never actually signed by Q (None were) that was filed into job performance reviews

Also, legally Aldrich had committed no crime or even been accused of crime at time, so it was handled as HR issue.

I would also point out Beach himself said he never fully elaborated details to Hawks on events that happened and there is no real way to know exactly what Q or others privy were to or not given Beach and his attorney's own statement confirmed not all details were made aware to Hawks at time

 

[MTU34]

That is completely false

Just one of the many things that was not true that among other details of reporting.

Several journalists including Strang and the actual investigation proved that a false claim

Ok fair enough I reread the report and it appears that no recommendation was written. Doesn’t change the fact that Quenneville actively participated in the coverup and that his lack of action ultimately led to a minor being assaulted by Aldrich. He might be a great hockey coach but he is a complete and utter failure as a human being and has no business being anywhere near the game because of it

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Chelios, on the radio today, seemed quite skeptical of a Q return to NHL

I mean, does Chelios have any connection to the guy?

 

[Pez68]

That is completely false

Just one of the many things that was not true that among other details of reporting.

Several journalists including Strang and the actual investigation proved that a false claim



You mean the copy and paste done on all coaches from previous years review that was never actually signed by Q (None were) that was filed into job performance reviews

Also, legally Aldrich had committed no crime or even been accused of crime at time, so it was handled as HR issue.

I would also point out Beach himself said he never fully elaborated details to Hawks on events that happened and there is no real way to know exactly what Q or others privy were to or not given Beach and his attorney's own statement confirmed not all details were made aware to Hawks at time

Once a bootlicker, always a bootlicker.

 

[MarotteMarauder]

I mean, does Chelios have any connection to the guy?

Does he need a connection to Q? Or are his connections throughout the league sufficient?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Does he need a connection to Q? Or are his connections throughout the league sufficient?

I'm just saying I wouldn't take his opinion as anything but.

 

[BHawk21]

That's certainly a take, given his involvement in the Beach catastrophe, and the positive review he gave a convicted sexual predator and pedophile.

you were wrong about the "positive review" he gave. Maybe you dont know the whole story. Nobody outside that meeting knows what was told to one another and extent of what details.

 

[BHawk21]

"for the most part, the participants reported that they only learned about the incident at a high level—that Aldrich, a coach, tried to “get under the sheets” with John Doe, a player."

"None of the participants recalled being told about the type of clearly non-consensual sexual conduct that is described by John Doe in his lawsuit or was described during John Doe’s interview with us."

"Bowman recalled a statement by McDonough, the most senior member of management in the room, that he would handle the situation."

"According to the Director of Human Resources, McDonough also informed her about the May 23 meeting in his office, during which McDonough said it was decided that the group would not alert Human Resources or do anything about the incident during the playoffs so as not to disturb team chemistry"

"On June 16, 2010, the Director of Human Resources met with Aldrich and offered him the option to undergo an investigation into what occurred with John Doe or to resign."

If I had to guess Jim Gary came into the meeting sugarcoated for all the higher ups during this insane playoff time. Nobody knew how bad it really was and thought the weird trainer was hitting on Beach. They said F that we will deal with it in a week or two when the seasons done.

-I dont know if you can completely call for Joel's career when nobody knows the real details. I think thats up to the individual team to decide. One thing I dont get is why the Human Resource director would offer and investigation and not just do one.

 

[ChiHawks10]

"for the most part, the participants reported that they only learned about the incident at a high level—that Aldrich, a coach, tried to “get under the sheets” with John Doe, a player."

"None of the participants recalled being told about the type of clearly non-consensual sexual conduct that is described by John Doe in his lawsuit or was described during John Doe’s interview with us."

"Bowman recalled a statement by McDonough, the most senior member of management in the room, that he would handle the situation."

"According to the Director of Human Resources, McDonough also informed her about the May 23 meeting in his office, during which McDonough said it was decided that the group would not alert Human Resources or do anything about the incident during the playoffs so as not to disturb team chemistry"

"On June 16, 2010, the Director of Human Resources met with Aldrich and offered him the option to undergo an investigation into what occurred with John Doe or to resign."

If I had to guess Jim Gary came into the meeting sugarcoated for all the higher ups during this insane playoff time. Nobody knew how bad it really was and thought the weird trainer was hitting on Beach. They said F that we will deal with it in a week or two when the seasons done.

-I dont know if you can completely call for Joel's career when nobody knows the real details. I think thats up to the individual team to decide. One thing I dont get is why the Human Resource director would offer and investigation and not just do one.

I would argue that there is very little chance Q doesn't know what is going on with his players or his locker room. A coach that out of touch with his players and locker room isn't going to be a very good coach.

The guy doesn't just resign his position as coach of the Panthers if he isn't feeling guilty about stuff, or has no culpability.

Panthers' Quenneville resigns amid abuse case

Joel Quenneville has resigned as Panthers coach after an investigation into the Blackhawks' sexual abuse case revealed he had knowledge of the allegations when he was Chicago's coach in 2010.

www.espn.com

"I want to express my sorrow for the pain this young man, Kyle Beach, has suffered. My former team, the Blackhawks, failed Kyle and I own my share of that," Quenneville said in a statement to TSN. "I want to reflect on how all of this happened and take the time to educate myself on ensuring hockey spaces are safe for everyone."

Bettman said in a statement that the NHL agrees with Quenneville's decision to resign.

"Following a meeting with Mr. Quenneville that took place this afternoon in my office, all parties agreed that it was no longer appropriate that he continue to serve as Florida's head coach," Bettman said. "We thank the Panthers' organization for working with us to ensure that a thorough process was followed.

"Given the result, there is no need for any further action by the NHL regarding Mr. Quenneville at this time. However, should he wish to re-enter the League in some capacity in the future, I will require a meeting with him in advance in order to determine the appropriate conditions under which such new employment might take place."

I'm sorry, but the guy can f*** off. He has no business back in the league coaching and running a locker room again. He failed his player(s) as their coach, their mentor, and someone who should go above and beyond to protect those players. Especially the young ones, who are just coming into the league at 18 or 19 years old.

 

[BHawk21]

Yes a guy resigns if the commissioner and league says he we need you to do this from a league PR standpoint. Remember Beach was not his player or in his locker room.

It feels like people cant or dont want to see that what everyone knew was all second/third/fourth hand or rumors. The only person Beach went to directly was Jim Gray. What Beach told Jim Gray and what Jim Gray told everyone else. We dont know.

Considering the facts we have both could be true.

Option 1
Everyone in the meeting including Quenneville is told by Jim Gray that Alderich has been trying to hook up with Beach. Quenneville says ok someone else deal with it my job is to coach hockey. Mcdonaugh says ill take care of it and waits two weeks until after the finals to "take care of it" not knowing the severity. (Negligence)

Option 2
Everyone in the meeting including Quenneville was told by Jim Gray that Beach was forcefully sexually assualted and threatened physically and mentally. Quenneville says it doesnt matter I have a team to coach.

These are vastly different scenarios. I generally believe people are good so I tend to lean towards the 1st option.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Yes a guy resigns if the commissioner and league says he we need you to do this from a PR standpoint. Remember Beach was not his player or in his locker room.

It feels like people cant or dont want to see that what everyone knew was all second/third/fourth hand or rumors. The only person Beach went to directly was Jim Gray. What Beach told Jim Gray and what Jim Gray told everyone else. We dont know.

Beach was a black ace. This happened in the playoffs while he was a black ace. He was his player, and in his locker room. Black aces participate in practices, attend the games, and travel with the team. They are literally a rostered Blackhawks player at that time.

This is just making excuses for another piece of shit member of the old boy's club.

"Mental skills coach and team counselor Jim Gary shared Beach's allegations with other leaders of the Blackhawks including President John McDonough, Executive Vice President Jay Blunk, Assistant General Manager Kevin Cheveldayoff and head coach Joel Quenneville."

 

[BHawk21]

Beach was a black ace. This happened in the playoffs while he was a black ace. He was his player, and in his locker room. Black aces participate in practices, attend the games, and travel with the team. They are literally a rostered Blackhawks player at that time.

This is just making excuses for another piece of shit member of the old boy's club.

"Mental skills coach and team counselor Jim Gary shared Beach's allegations with other leaders of the Blackhawks including President John McDonough, Executive Vice President Jay Blunk, Assistant General Manager Kevin Cheveldayoff and head coach Joel Quenneville."

Again you are wrong. They skated at different rink at a different time. Its all in the report. The Ice Hogs sent staff to work with the players.


"The Black Aces practiced at a separate rink from the Blackhawks and were typically not coached or trained by the Blackhawks’ training and coaching staff.82 Members of the Rockford IceHogs’ coaching and training staff traveled to Chicago to support the Black Aces.83"

 

[ChiHawks10]

Yes a guy resigns if the commissioner and league says he we need you to do this from a league PR standpoint. Remember Beach was not his player or in his locker room.

It feels like people cant or dont want to see that what everyone knew was all second/third/fourth hand or rumors. The only person Beach went to directly was Jim Gray. What Beach told Jim Gray and what Jim Gray told everyone else. We dont know.

Considering the facts we have both could be true.

Option 1
Everyone in the meeting including Quenneville is told by Jim Gray that Alderich has been trying to hook up with Beach. Quenneville says ok someone else deal with it my job is to coach hockey. Mcdonaugh says ill take care of it and waits two weeks until after the finals to "take care of it" not knowing the severity. (Negligence)

Option 2
Everyone in the meeting including Quenneville was told by Jim Gray that Beach was forcefully sexually assualted and threatened physically and mentally. Quenneville says it doesnt matter I have a team to coach.

These are vastly different scenarios. I generally believe people are good so I tend to lean towards the 1st option.

Either scenario is unacceptable. Saying "ok, someone else deal with the sexual assault of one of my players." Particularly an 18 year old kid called up to experience the playoffs and who has the potential to be one of our next great players, is grossly negligent in his capacity as the Blackhawks coach. Either option says to me he can absolutely f*** off.

 

[x Tame Impala]

It wouldn’t make any sense for Q to be fired from his Florida job only to be hired back two years later. He’s not less guilty of anything now than he was when the story broke.

Again get some new blood in the league. Q had his time. He won 3 Cups and has the 2nd most wins ever. Letting him back in isn’t necessary and only looks bad on Bettman and the NHL

 

[BHawk21]

Either scenario is unacceptable. Saying "ok, someone else deal with the sexual assault of one of my players." Particularly an 18 year old kid called up to experience the playoffs and who has the potential to be one of our next great players, is grossly negligent in his capacity as the Blackhawks coach. Either option says to me he can absolutely f*** off.

you didnt ready what I typed?

It wouldn’t make any sense for Q to be fired from his Florida job only to be hired back two years later. He’s not less guilty of anything now than he was when the story broke.

Again get some new blood in the league. Q had his time. He won 3 Cups and has the 2nd most wins ever. Letting him back in isn’t necessary and only looks bad on Bettman and the NHL

I agree with this but I dont think it means hes guilty of covering up a sexual assualt.

 

[BHawk21]

Either scenario is unacceptable. Saying "ok, someone else deal with the sexual assault of one of my players." Particularly an 18 year old kid called up to experience the playoffs and who has the potential to be one of our next great players, is grossly negligent in his capacity as the Blackhawks coach. Either option says to me he can absolutely f*** off.

If the President of the Blackhawks tells the coach he will deal with the rumored sexual advances of a coach onto a prospect what would Quennevilles next step be. In your mind.

I dont know what was said but if that was the scenerio what should he have done? Go to the police and say this guy is hitting on this prospect of mine?

 

[ChiHawks10]

Again you are wrong. They skated at different rink at a different time. Its all in the report. The Ice Hogs sent staff to work with the players.


"The Black Aces practiced at a separate rink from the Blackhawks and were typically not coached or trained by the Blackhawks’ training and coaching staff.82 Members of the Rockford IceHogs’ coaching and training staff traveled to Chicago to support the Black Aces.83"

Inside the Black Ace experience during the Stanley Cup playoffs

Reserve players fill important roles during the postseason, whether they end up in games or not.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Dallas Stars Daily Links: Bubble Life as a Black Ace

One of the most fascinating stories when it comes to the Stanley Cup Playoffs are the “Black Aces,” young players who join the team and practice with them but rarely see any playoff action.

www.defendingbigd.com

If the President of the Blackhawks tells the coach he will deal with the rumored sexual advances of a coach onto a prospect what would Quennevilles next step be. In your mind.

I dont know what was said but if that was the scenerio what should he have done? Go to the police and say this guy is hitting on this prospect of mine?

I'm not sure what you're even arguing at this point. Q resigned as the Panthers coach because of his self-admitted "owning my share" of the situation. Lol.

f*** Q.

It absolutely blows my mind that you give these guys the benefit of the doubt on having no knowledge of what actually occurred... despite a 10 year cover-up of it all. Cover-ups happen when lots of people are afraid of the consequences of what occurred, not because they know they're all in the clear, and have no culpability. If none of these guys knew anything, you wouldn't have the vast majority of them golfing instead of being involved in the NHL right now. Gimme a break with this naive nonsense.

 

[belfour30]

Bettman should be roasted on a spit if Bowman and Q are reinstated. Neither should be involved with hockey at any level ever again.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Bowman told investigators that during the meeting McDonough and Quenneville “made comments about the challenge of getting to the Stanley Cup finals and a desire to focus on the team and the playoffs.”

In July Quenneville said that he “first learned of these allegations through the media earlier this summer,” and Cheveldayoff said that he did not know of any accusations against Aldrich “until asked if I was aware of anything just prior to the conclusion of his employment” with the Blackhawks.

He also lied about knowing about it. The guy is a piece of shit. Plain and simple. Stop defending trash people. It just makes you also look like a trash person.

 

[BHawk21]

Bowman told investigators that during the meeting McDonough and Quenneville “made comments about the challenge of getting to the Stanley Cup finals and a desire to focus on the team and the playoffs.”

In July Quenneville said that he “first learned of these allegations through the media earlier this summer,” and Cheveldayoff said that he did not know of any accusations against Aldrich “until asked if I was aware of anything just prior to the conclusion of his employment” with the Blackhawks.

He also lied about knowing about it. The guy is a piece of shit. Plain and simple. Stop defending trash people. It just makes you also look like a trash person.

shut up. calling everyone trash doesnt make you a good person. You clearly didnt read the report. There is so much room for interpretation. You not liking him as a coach doesnt make the guy a bad person.

read it and then get back to me because you have made 3 false claims already. Its clearly not black and white. There are a million conflicting things about this whole case.

"The Black Aces practiced at a separate rink from the Blackhawks and were typically not coached or trained by the Blackhawks’ training and coaching staff.82 Members of the Rockford IceHogs’ coaching and training staff traveled to Chicago to support the Black Aces.83"

This is from the Block and Jenner report page 22. I dont know why you are pulling up articles about f***in Thomas Harley.

Just read it and then argue. We have no idea what actually happened. Being so black and white about something so serious without looking into AT ALL shows your true colors.

 

[Hawkaholic]

That’s all well and good but he was an active participant in a sexual assault coverup and is a large part of why the organization failed Kyle Beach. Not to mention he literally wrote a positive review that allowed Aldrich to get another job and sexually assault a

He's done his time, so to speak. If a team wants to sign him, and he wants to come back, no reason why he shouldn't. There's a thing called second chances, and for all the good he has done, he deserves a second chance and you hope he learned his lesson.

 

[ChiHawks10]

shut up. calling everyone trash doesnt make you a good person. You clearly didnt read the report. There is so much room for interpretation. You not liking him as a coach doesnt make the guy a bad person.

read it and then get back to me because you have made 3 false claims already. Its clearly not black and white. There are a million conflicting things about this whole case.

"The Black Aces practiced at a separate rink from the Blackhawks and were typically not coached or trained by the Blackhawks’ training and coaching staff.82 Members of the Rockford IceHogs’ coaching and training staff traveled to Chicago to support the Black Aces.83"

This is from the Block and Jenner report page 22. I dont know why you are pulling up articles about f***in Thomas Harley.

Just read it and then argue. We have no idea what actually happened. Being so black and white about it shows your true colors.

Lol. I liked him as a coach. I think he's a trash person.

And the report by the team's law firm, that they hired, that can be fluffed up with "lawyer speak" to be purposefully vague and/or misleading? Lol. The same one that says Rocky didn't have any clue that any of this happened?

Literally every article I find on black aces AROUND THE LEAGUE says they practice with members of the team regularly. These guys can be called on to fill in at a moment's notice due to injury or suspension, and you want me to believe they practice fully separate, at all times, with no one from the Hawks or their coaching staff? They may not be on the ice for every regular practice, but they're on the ice with a lot of the regular rostered players, in the locker room, traveling with the team, staying in the hotels with them, interacting with the players and coaches, etc. If you weren't so blinded by your love of a trash person, then maybe you'd actually watch or read some of the stuff specific to black aces around the entire league. Not just a fluffed up report made by lawyers that the Hawks organization hired... I mean... the fact that Beach was INTERACTING with a member of the Hawks coaching staff, the scumbag who actually perpetrated the sexual assault, completely throws out your claim that the black aces don't interact with Hawks coaching staff.

Jesus, you're either as dumb as a box of rocks, or the most naïve person I've ever met.

I've made zero false claims. None. Everything you're purporting to be the 100% absolute truth comes from a report that the Hawks paid a company to write... despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I defended the law firm in the past, but the report is obviously written to favor the Hawks in this situation.

Don't want to comment about the fact that Q openly lied about having any knowledge of the situation... until it came out that he, in fact, 100% knew about it?

And haven't looked into it at all? Bahahahah. I was literally discussing this shit every day before you were even registered and posting on this board.