The Great Cam Barker Appreciation thread (And former Hawks talk vol 7)

[TheFridge]

Rask had a .940, quick had over .940 the year before and Thomas as well the year before that.

It was the era again of lower scoring. If you feel a goalie earned it then Rask should of won over Corey.

The Conn Smythe almost never goes to the losing team/a losing player, so no.

 

[hawksrule]

The Conn Smythe almost never goes to the losing team/a losing player, so no.

I hated when they gave it to Giguere. He wasn’t even that good in the scf.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Raanta just got injured

 

[Hawkaholic]

Raanta just got injured

No way! (Me showing my not shocked, shocked face)

 

[ClydeLee]

Guy once looked promising like a new Leddy but head injuries have ended his career early.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Guy once looked promising like a new Leddy but head injuries have ended his career early.

Really unfortunate,

I think maybe it was 2018 he was likely going to make the roster out of training camp, but then he got injured. Was never the same after that.

His cousin is projected to be a 1st round pick this year.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I hated when they gave it to Giguere. He wasn’t even that good in the scf.

Giguere carried the Ducks to finals on his back

The award is for entire playoffs, and he was dominant in that run including multiple games early on in playoffs with 60+ saves

Not to mention he held Wild to just 1 goal in WCF (3 shutouts)

That was one of the rare times it was deserved to recognize the performance of player on losing team

 

[hawksrule]

Giguere carried the Ducks to finals on his back

The award is for entire playoffs, and he was dominant in that run including multiple games early on in playoffs with 60+ saves

Not to mention he held Wild to just 1 goal in WCF (3 shutouts)

That was one of the rare times it was deserved to recognize the performance of player on losing team

His team lost and in the scf he was nothing special.

 

[Hawkaholic]

His team lost and in the scf he was nothing special.

They lost in Game 7, and he was far from the reason they lost. He had one bad game in the Finals, but was the only reason his team was even in it. Only other player that deserved it was Brodeur, and Giguere was clearly better than him throughout the entirety of the playoffs.

 

[TheFridge]

They lost in Game 7, and he was far from the reason they lost. He had one bad game in the Finals, but was the only reason his team was even in it. Only other player that deserved it was Brodeur, and Giguere was clearly better than him throughout the entirety of the playoffs.

He had 3 games in the Final with a sub-.900 sv%. In the 14 games leading up to the final, he had a sv% under .900 just twice. His sv% in the Final was .910, his sv% leading up to the Final was .959.

 

[Hawkaholic]

He had 3 games in the Final with a sub-.900 sv%. In the 14 games leading up to the final, he had a sv% under .900 just twice. His sv% in the Final was .910, his sv% leading up to the Final was .959.

Yeah, 1 bad game and a couple OK games. The award is for the entire playoffs, not the finals.

 

[hawksrule]

Yeah, 1 bad game and a couple OK games. The award is for the entire playoffs, not the finals.

But you’re talking about giving it to a guy on the losing team. That guy shouldn’t have a meh scf, at least imo.

 

[TheFridge]

Yeah, 1 bad game and a couple OK games. The award is for the entire playoffs, not the finals.

What are the "OK games"? The 6 goals on 37 shots was a very bad game and then the other two .880 games were just bad games. I realize the award is for the whole post-season, but as hawksrule pointed out, he went from basically invincible in games 1-14 of the run, to very ordinary in his final 7 games, all in the Final.

What helped Giguere win the award too, was that game 7 was close at the time the ballots needed to be in (ballots need to be submitted no later than with 10 minutes to go in the deciding game). So, if the Ducks had mounted a 2-goal comeback and won the game, then Giguere would have been the clear choice to win the award. That's also why you rarely see a losing player win. Most Finals don't end in 7 games. The team that wins is generally made more clear and then the writers just pick players from the team that's going to win.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Panarin with his 5th of playoffs

 

[Hawkaholic]

What are the "OK games"? The 6 goals on 37 shots was a very bad game and then the other two .880 games were just bad games. I realize the award is for the whole post-season, but as hawksrule pointed out, he went from basically invincible in games 1-14 of the run, to very ordinary in his final 7 games, all in the Final.

What helped Giguere win the award too, was that game 7 was close at the time the ballots needed to be in (ballots need to be submitted no later than with 10 minutes to go in the deciding game). So, if the Ducks had mounted a 2-goal comeback and won the game, then Giguere would have been the clear choice to win the award. That's also why you rarely see a losing player win. Most Finals don't end in 7 games. The team that wins is generally made more clear and then the writers just pick players from the team that's going to win.

OK games are when you give your team a chance to still win. Bad games are when you don't give your team a chance. I could give a shit about his save % because that doesn't take into account the quality of the shots on goal he faced. Brodeur had one of the best defensive teams in front him, ever. Giguere literally carried his team to the final, Game 7. Being invincible in games 1-14, and giving your team a chance to win in 6 of the 7 games in the SCF is more than worthy of a Conn Smythe.

But you’re talking about giving it to a guy on the losing team. That guy shouldn’t have a meh scf, at least imo.

Depends, if he was literally the only reason your team made it to the SCF, Game 7, then of course he does.

 

[TheFridge]

OK games are when you give your team a chance to still win. Bad games are when you don't give your team a chance. I could give a shit about his save % because that doesn't take into account the quality of the shots on goal he faced. Brodeur had one of the best defensive teams in front him, ever. Giguere literally carried his team to the final, Game 7. Being invincible in games 1-14, and giving your team a chance to win in 6 of the 7 games in the SCF is more than worthy of a Conn Smythe.


Depends, if he was literally the only reason your team made it to the SCF, Game 7, then of course he does.

Ah, so your determination is completely subjective. Noted.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Ah, so your determination is completely subjective. Noted.

As is yours lol

And the people who voted on it were more in line with my thinking on it than yours.

 

[TheFridge]

As is yours lol

And the people who voted on it were more in line with my thinking on it than yours.

I'm literally quoting you the stats my guy, while you're out here saying "OK games are where you give your team a chance to still win. Bad games are when you don't give your team a chance."

So tell me, if a goaltender 'A' stops 42/45 shots and goaltender 'B' stops 20/23 shots and the game is headed to overtime, are they both having "OK" games bc they've given their team a chance to win?

As I mentioned in my prior post, the voters are required to vote on the Conn Smythe winner *before* the end of the game. They have to have their votes in with at least 10 minutes left in the game. It was a 2-0 game in game 7 at that point back in '03. I can't fault the voters for picking Giguere, given that the game was still very much in doubt with that much time left. If the Devils had won in 6 games, I bet Giguere wouldn't have been the Conn Smythe winner.

 

[ColbyChaos]

His team lost and in the scf he was nothing special.

Look at the scoring in that playoffs. No skater even had a shot that playoffs.

Jamie Langenbrunner lead the playoffs in scoring with 18... in 24 GP

Only other player who had a shot was Marty who unlike Giguere, Marty's team literally played in such a way that made his stats look better than he actually performed. 2003 was the one championship where the devils actually did play trap hockey and were eye cancer to watch.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I'm literally quoting you the stats my guy, while you're out here saying "OK games are where you give your team a chance to still win. Bad games are when you don't give your team a chance."

So tell me, if a goaltender 'A' stops 42/45 shots and goaltender 'B' stops 20/23 shots and the game is headed to overtime, are they both having "OK" games bc they've given their team a chance to win?

As I mentioned in my prior post, the voters are required to vote on the Conn Smythe winner *before* the end of the game. They have to have their votes in with at least 10 minutes left in the game. It was a 2-0 game in game 7 at that point back in '03. I can't fault the voters for picking Giguere, given that the game was still very much in doubt with that much time left. If the Devils had won in 6 games, I bet Giguere wouldn't have been the Conn Smythe winner.

No. Goalie A had a great game, and Goalie B had an OK game. Both gave their team a chance, one just had a much better game.

Not sure, Giguere was still deserving of it had they lost in 6 games, because of his entire body of work throughout the whole entire playoffs.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Giguere had a magical run with the Blackhawks that's for sure.

 

[TheFridge]

No. Goalie A had a great game, and Goalie B had an OK game. Both gave their team a chance, one just had a much better game.

Not sure, Giguere was still deserving of it had they lost in 6 games, because of his entire body of work throughout the whole entire playoffs.

But we know that doesn't matter bc the Conn Smythe is almost never awarded to a player on the losing team. It's happened 5 times and 3 of those were in a span of 10 years (1966-1976). Giguere definitely benefited from that series going 7 games as the only modern winner of the award whose team lost in the Final.

 

[Hawkaholic]

But we know that doesn't matter bc the Conn Smythe is almost never awarded to a player on the losing team. It's happened 5 times and 3 of those were in a span of 10 years (1966-1976). Giguere definitely benefited from that series going 7 games as the only modern winner of the award whose team lost in the Final.

A goalie on the losing team, rarely ever single handily carries his team to Game 7 of the SCF, and at the same time is the most deserving of the award.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Hagel with ENG

Looks happy in TB and it appears to have been great trade for them

Hope it works out for Hawks as well going forward

 

[Blackhawks]

Thanks to Stan and taking that HUGE 5 million garbage dump of TJ from Tampa they are set to win another cup, good job you imbecile. The props he got from that move around here by the many experts is hillarious. I bet those same experts are now gonna say 5 million is nothing lol