The Great Cam Barker Appreciation thread (And former Hawks talk vol 7)

[TheFridge]

Who cares what Crawford did in his career, it’s what he did or didn’t do after I said it’s time to trade him is what matters. It’s about timing things, most of you here would be clueless how to trade stocks, you would hold them forever, it’s time to let things go at one point in time. Seriously there is no point in talking on here, most have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, even when I say is true years later people will still come how many some pathetic argument. Go read the Saad/Panarin thread and make sense of that please.

Panic selling is actually the absolute worst thing anyone can do with their investments. You've only realized your loss once you sell, just like you've only realized your gains once you sell. Most people are in the market for the long-run, so selling at the first sign of trouble or selling simply bc you made a decent gain, is not how you foster financial growth.

These are their numbers post-Raanta trade up until Crawford's retirement:

Corey Crawford - GP 220 | W 113 | GAA 2.58 | SV% .9192
Antti Raanta - GP 145 | 68 | GAA 2.45 | SV% .9196

If we had kept Raanta instead of Crawford, we would have had the same level of goaltending, just without the same amount of GP that Crawford provided us, which means we would have been objectively worse.

 

[Pez68]

Why, people? Why?

 

[Hattrick Kane]

I didn’t mean to incite a riot, sorry guys.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Is this the yearly airing of grievances on past players decisions?

If so, I still say it was stupid to trade Kravchuk/McAmmond for Murphy. Murphy never lived up to the hype or talent while Kravchuk was emerging into fine defender who Hawks could have built around and McAmmond production after trade wasn't that far off of Murphy's time with Hawks outside of 93 season

 

[ClydeLee]

Still mad they traded Kyle Calder... the first time, that little 2nd move was just twisting the knife

 

[Northernhawk]

Finnish legend Markko Anttila does it agin today, he was a Blackhawk draft pick that never made the trip overseas…

 

[BobbyJet]

You were advocating keeping Raanta over Crawford and you think hindsight illustrates that you were right? The dude's career high in GP in a season is 47. He's only played 30+ games in a season twice in nine years. Their career stats are basically identical, but Crawford played more than twice as many games. Come on.

Not to mention that Raanta would get the easier games and/or the 2nd game in back-to-back situations. Neither goaltender was the guy for the future anyways. Blackhawks just likes to pump his own ego at every opportunity.

 

[pvr]

If you want to get worked up over a goaltender choice and trade, think Belfour over Hasek. Belfour was still excellent, but he wasn’t Hasek.

 

[Northernhawk]

If you want to get worked up over a goaltender choice and trade, think Belfour over Hasek. Belfour was still excellent, but he wasn’t Hasek.

been a fan of the Hawks since the 1982 playoffs…when Murray Bannerman took over starter duties from Tony Esposito(me not knowing the career of Tony O)…here’s the Hawk goaltending since…
Bannerman Esposito
Bannerman Esposito
Bannerman Skorodenski
Bannerman Sauve
Sauve Bannerman
Pang Mason
Pang Chevrier Belfour
Cloutier Chevrier
Belfour
Belfour Hasek Waite
Belfour Waite
Belfour Hackett
Belfour
Belfour Hackett
Hackett Belfour
Hackett Terreri
Thibault Fitzpatrick
Thibault Passmore
Thibault
Thibault Passmore
Thibault
Leighton Anderson
-lock out-
Khabibulin Anderson
Khabibulin Boucher
Khabibulin Lalime
Khabibulin Huet
Huet Niemi
Crawford Turco
Crawford Emery
Crawford Emery
Crawford Raanta
Crawford Darling Raanta
Crawford Darling
Crawford Darling
Forsberg Crawford Glass
Crawford Ward Delia
Crawford Lehner
Lankinen Subban
Fleury Lankinen

 

[Northernhawk]

And in the playoffs..

Bannerman Esposito
Bannerman Esposito
Bannerman
Bannerman
Bannerman Sauve
Sauve
Pang
Chevrier
Millen Belfour Cloutier
Belfour Hasek
Belfour Hasek
Belfour
Belfour
Belfour
Belfour
Hackett Terreri
-no playoffs-
-no playoffs-
-no playoffs-
-no playoffs-
Thibault Passmore
-no playoffs-
-no playoffs-
-lock out-
-no playoffs-
-no playoffs-
-no playoffs-
Khabibulin Huet
Niemi
Crawford
Crawford
Crawford
Crawford
Crawford Darling
Crawford
Crawford
-no playoffs-
-no playoffs-
Crawford
-no playoffs-
-no playoffs-

 

[Marotte Marauder]

If we had kept Raanta instead of Crawford, we would have had the same level of goaltending, just without the same amount of GP that Crawford provided us, which means we would have been objectively worse.

Except Hawks would have had 18M less tied up in the goalie slot to spend elsewhere on the team. So a net positive to the team.

 

[Northernhawk]

And the Blackhawks farm teams since 1983…
Springfield- Janeyck Skorodenski
Springfield- Janeyck Skorodenski
Milwaukee- Pang Ralph
Nova Scotia- Skorodenski
Nova Scotia- Skorodenski
Saginaw- Belfour Clifford
Saginaw- Belfour LeBlanc
Indianapolis- Waite LeBlanc
Indianapolis- Waite Hasek
Indianapolis- LeBlanc Belley Hasek
Indianapolis- LeBlanc Hodson
Indianapolis- Soucy Rogles
Indianapolis- Rogles Soucy
Indianapolis- Waite Soucy
Indianapolis- Waite Lamothe
Indianapolis- Lamothe Hurme Daubenspec
Indianapolis- Lamothe Sarjeant Trefilov
Portland- none!
Cleveland- Lamothe
Norfolk- Maund Larocque
Norfolk- Leighton Anderson
Norfolk- Leighton Anderson Passmore
Norfolk- Anderson Leighton Passmore
Norfolk- Leighton Munro Anderson
Norfolk- Crawford Munro
Norfolk- Crawford
Rockford- Crawford Flaherty
Rockford- Crawford Niemi
Rockford- Crawford Fallon
Rockford- Toivonen Richards
Rockford- Hutton Richards Salak
Rockford- Hutton Karlsson
Rockford- Labarbara Simpson Raanta
Rockford- Leighton Darling
Rockford- Leighton Carruth
Rockford- Johansson Carruth Glass
Rockford- Delia Glass Berube
Rockford- Forsberg Delia Lankinen
Rockford- Delia Lankinen Tomkins
Rockford- Tomkins Morris Nalimov Delia
Rockford- Soderblom Delia

 

[hawksrule]

With the exception of the Vancouver and LA series, Crawford was exceptional in the playoffs. Not good, exceptional. Raanta isn’t a pimple on Crawford’s fanny. What are we even talking about here.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Except Hawks would have had 18M less tied up in the goalie slot to spend elsewhere on the team. So a net positive to the team.

Had Raanta been kept as the starter and put up numbers similar to Crawford he would have gotten a contract similar to Crawfords...

Unless he had kept getting hurt and not been able to play enough games to match Crawford's GP, in which case the Hawks would have been stuck with their backups playing more often than when they had Crawford, which is not a net positive to the team.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Had Raanta been kept as the starter and put up numbers similar to Crawford he would have gotten a contract similar to Crawfords...

Except for the first 2 years after the trade where his cap hit would have been 1M just like w/NYR. And if his cap hit went up to Crawford's level later, he is still playing. Crawford is long gone.

 

[TheFridge]

Except Hawks would have had 18M less tied up in the goalie slot to spend elsewhere on the team. So a net positive to the team.

It's not a net-positive if you don't have a starter for 50-60 games out of 82. The 2017-18 team probably makes the playoffs if Crawford doesn't get hurt. He does get hurt, and then we had to rely on Forsberg/Glass/Berube who all failed to get the job done.

 

[ClydeLee]

This discussion is nonsense BUT it's even moreso to ignore Darling in this time. Raanta would of still been behind him.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Anyone imagining raanta replacing crawford is just nonsense and dumb

 

[Northernhawk]

Niemi was allowed to leave over what a difference of $500,000 after it was shown the Hawks’ valued matching Hjalmarssons’ offer sheet rather than keeping Ladd, Marty Reasoner and Niemi…Hawks knew they had Corey Crawford, who was another 2A behind Huet…

 

[Drumman44]

Niemi was allowed to leave over what a difference of $500,000 after it was shown the Hawks’ valued matching Hjalmarssons’ offer sheet rather than keeping Ladd, Marty Reasoner and Niemi…Hawks knew they had Corey Crawford, who was another 2A behind Huet…

anNoTheEr sTAnLeY bLuNdEr!

 

[Giovi]

With the exception of the Vancouver and LA series, Crawford was exceptional in the playoffs. Not good, exceptional. Raanta isn’t a pimple on Crawford’s fanny. What are we even talking about here.

I don't know how this conversation is a conversation. Raanta has never shown he's capable of being an NHL #1 goaltender.

 

[x Tame Impala]

You guys, just use the ignore feature FFS

 

[TheFridge]

With the exception of the Vancouver and LA series, Crawford was exceptional in the playoffs. Not good, exceptional. Raanta isn’t a pimple on Crawford’s fanny. What are we even talking about here.

I think you mean the Arizona/Phoenix series. He was great his first year against Vancouver.

Corey should 100% have a Conn Smythe in his trophy case too. He was fantastic in 2013. I don't think a goaltender has ever posted a 1.84 GAA and .932sv% in a Stanley Cup run with such little media attention as he did that year.

 

[ClydeLee]

I think you mean the Arizona/Phoenix series. He was great his first year against Vancouver.

Corey should 100% have a Conn Smythe in his trophy case too. He was fantastic in 2013. I don't think a goaltender has ever posted a 1.84 GAA and .932sv% in a Stanley Cup run with such little media attention as he did that year.

Rask had a .940, quick had over .940 the year before and Thomas as well the year before that.

It was the era again of lower scoring. If you feel a goalie earned it then Rask should of won over Corey.

 

[Northernhawk]

I think you mean the Arizona/Phoenix series. He was great his first year against Vancouver.

Corey should 100% have a Conn Smythe in his trophy case too. He was fantastic in 2013. I don't think a goaltender has ever posted a 1.84 GAA and .932sv% in a Stanley Cup run with such little media attention as he did that year.

2013 was Bickell big time!