The Great Cam Barker Appreciation thread (And former Hawks talk vol 7)

[Toews2Bickell]

Or maybe Dallas should of drafted Joki and had a better 3rd pair D for their cup run, maybe they would of won with better depth their, their bottom D options were weak.

if joki was the missing piece he would've been here and not traded for an ahl forward

 

[ClydeLee]

if joki was the missing piece he would've been here and not traded for an ahl forward

It's not hard to be better than their 3rd pair and he was fine that year as a mid pair guy in Buffalo, it's these missing pieces that win cups.

This just point reminds me of the reverse a guy on here, that I think is gone, that said the Hawks should of drafted Vasilesvki instead of Teuvo. And thinks the Hawks would of found a replacement depth anywhere w/o drafting Teuvo(hows that worked for Toronto or eve. 2014 Hawks) but If those teams swapped those picks, Tampa might of beat the Hawks. Maybe not cause Tampa still had such a weak bottom 3 D in Sutr, carle, and Coburn getting shelled a lot & no top 4 machines like Chicago. But those extra depth pieces do matter. It's part of the risk of a 1st round goalie pick.

 

[Fingers and Toews]

Dallas signed Fredrik Olofsson to a 1 year contract

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Raanta with the shutout. He’s a decent goalie when he can stay healthy.

 

[Blackhawks]

Raanta with the shutout. He’s a decent goalie when he can stay healthy.

Decent? He’s an incredible goalie and when I was saying we should keep Raanta and get rid of Crawford people were up in arms, clueless in here is incredible…

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Decent? He’s an incredible goalie and when I was saying we should keep Raanta and get rid of Crawford people were up in arms, clueless in here is incredible…

Incredible lol

 

[Blackhawks]

Incredible lol

Yup and I lobbied for him to stay on this team, another genius prediction. Better than any garbage we have had on this team that’s not gonna cost is 10 million…

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Duncan Keith lighting it up for the Oil last night.

 

[BobbyJet]

Duncan Keith lighting it up for the Oil last night.

Yep. Keith was engaged. It was good to see.

 

[Space umpire]

Decent? He’s an incredible goalie and when I was saying we should keep Raanta and get rid of Crawford people were up in arms, clueless in here is incredible…

He is having a good few weeks. Good goalie, career 1B or backup getting to play a bit.
Not incredible and I don’t take him then over Crawford.

 

[BK]

He is having a good few weeks. Good goalie, career 1B or backup getting to play a bit.
Not incredible and I don’t take him then over Crawford.

Accurate.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Looks like Bruno may not be the Panthers coach going forward

Started playoffs with potential of having interim tag removed but now its open talk the Panthers may move on

Was surprised how he did so little. Not even a little of the Q blender by him (Panthers needed it) as he just stayed the course as the panthers season sank

 

[TheFridge]

Decent? He’s an incredible goalie and when I was saying we should keep Raanta and get rid of Crawford people were up in arms, clueless in here is incredible…

You were advocating keeping Raanta over Crawford and you think hindsight illustrates that you were right? The dude's career high in GP in a season is 47. He's only played 30+ games in a season twice in nine years. Their career stats are basically identical, but Crawford played more than twice as many games. Come on.

 

[Blackhawks]

You were advocating keeping Raanta over Crawford and you think hindsight illustrates that you were right? The dude's career high in GP in a season is 47. He's only played 30+ games in a season twice in nine years. Their career stats are basically identical, but Crawford played more than twice as many games. Come on.

At the time I advocated it, it would been an excellent move now looking back, that’s not even debatable, I am not even sure how you are debating this exactly. Not only getting rid of an aging Crawford which woulda brought back something in return but also saving that cap space which could have been spent elsewhere to improve the team. AND YOU HAVE A CURRENT GOALIE WHICH THE HAWKS DONT HAVE NOW. The arguments in here get weirder and weirder honestly, there is zero logic in what most here say, it’s like there are only a handful of people who see what’s going on with this team and what’s been going on. For example go read the Saad/Panarin trade thread, it’s eye opening.

 

[Clownish]

At the time I advocated it, it would been an excellent move now looking back, that’s not even debatable, I am not even sure how you are debating this exactly. Not only getting rid of an aging Crawford which woulda brought back something in return but also saving that cap space which could have been spent elsewhere to improve the team. AND YOU HAVE A CURRENT GOALIE WHICH THE HAWKS DONT HAVE NOW. The arguments in here get weirder and weirder honestly, there is zero logic in what most here say, it’s like there are only a handful of people who see what’s going on with this team and what’s been going on. For example go read the Saad/Panarin trade thread, it’s eye opening.

How does all of this logic gel with the entire MAF endeavor that yielded a 2nd basically for free? How does this logic gel with the apparent desire to lose every game? Why would the Hawks even want Raanta when on his own he doesn't make them a playoff team? Such a bizarre alternate reality you are trying to sell as being a better option.

 

[TheFridge]

At the time I advocated it, it would been an excellent move now looking back, that’s not even debatable, I am not even sure how you are debating this exactly. Not only getting rid of an aging Crawford which woulda brought back something in return but also saving that cap space which could have been spent elsewhere to improve the team. AND YOU HAVE A CURRENT GOALIE WHICH THE HAWKS DONT HAVE NOW. The arguments in here get weirder and weirder honestly, there is zero logic in what most here say, it’s like there are only a handful of people who see what’s going on with this team and what’s been going on. For example go read the Saad/Panarin trade thread, it’s eye opening.

You're not sure how I'm debating Raanta having been our starter in hindsight? You can read, right? The man, after leaving CHI, averaged *26 games* per year -- and that average is inflated by the *one* season he played 47 games. If CHI would have dealt Crawford and kept Raanta, they wouldn't have had a starter bc Raanta's never been healthy enough to carry the net.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Ignore lists work best when we don't talk about who we have on them.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Imagine thinking keeping Raanta was a better option than keeping Crawford.

 

[BobbyJet]

Decent? He’s an incredible goalie and when I was saying we should keep Raanta and get rid of Crawford people were up in arms, clueless in here is incredible…

We are seeing the Raanta tonight we all saw when he was with Chicago (except Blackhawks so he claims). Decent but nothing special.

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

Dude just hates Crawford. Always has.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Crawford won 2 Jennings and was top 8 in Vezina voting 3 times from 2013 until his career ended. He averaged a SV% over .920 in that timeframe too. LOL @ Raanta. He's a good backup who is in over his head even on a stacked Carolina team.

 

[Blackhawks]

Who cares what Crawford did in his career, it’s what he did or didn’t do after I said it’s time to trade him is what matters. It’s about timing things, most of you here would be clueless how to trade stocks, you would hold them forever, it’s time to let things go at one point in time. Seriously there is no point in talking on here, most have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, even when I say is true years later people will still come how many some pathetic argument. Go read the Saad/Panarin thread and make sense of that please.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Crawford's demise came due to some nasty concussions after Raanta was gone from this organization.

If you are able to predict years ahead of time when concussions will occur in an individual, I suggest you join the medical community and teach them your magical abilities. Otherwise you have blood on your hands.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Swing and a big miss with this dumb proclamation

 

[Hawkaholic]

Who cares what Crawford did in his career, it’s what he did or didn’t do after I said it’s time to trade him is what matters. It’s about timing things, most of you here would be clueless how to trade stocks, you would hold them forever, it’s time to let things go at one point in time. Seriously there is no point in talking on here, most have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, even when I say is true years later people will still come how many some pathetic argument. Go read the Saad/Panarin thread and make sense of that please.

So you said to trade him after he won the Stanley Cup lol. (That's when Raanta was traded). And after the stanley cup, he posted top 5 goalie numbers for the next 3 years after that.

Yet Raanta did jack squat in any of those years, and even this year.

Just admit you were wrong, it's not hard.