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The Great Cam Barker Appreciation thread (And former Hawks talk vol 7)

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BK said:
Dach couldn't be sent to the AHL. It is against the transfer agreement between the CHL and NHL. It was either go back to the WHL or play in the NHL.

This does not mean they got his development right but it is an important detail.

Players from Europe and college can be sent to the AHL.

Nylander could play in the AHL because he was "loaned" to his OHL team.
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That’s not what I meant genius, he shoulda stayed in the WHL and kept developing
 
Blackhawks said:
That’s not what I meant genius, he shoulda stayed in the WHL and kept developing
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What would he of gained? Honest question. He towered over the comp in the WHL. Personally the AHL would have been perfect imo.

I was not critiquing your comment genius, I was simply stating that stupid rule they have. Personally they should have an exceptional status type rule like the CHL has.
 
BK said:
What would he of gained? Honest question. He towered over the comp in the WHL. Personally the AHL would have been perfect imo.

I was not critiquing your comment genius, I was simply stating that stupid rule they have. Personally they should have an exceptional status type rule like the CHL has.
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What would he have gained? Do I need to explain this to you? Why is Bowen better than him while he stayed developing longer? Have you heard of something called bringing up prospects too early? My brain is baffled lol, he can tower all he wants while improving, you can dominate more gain more confidence. Again why is Bowen more ready than he is while he spent more time in the NHL? I will argue that Kakko and Huges same thing, too early. You gotta develop the right way, there is an art to it, Stan is a deer in the headlights when it comes to hockey.
 
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What would he have gained? Do I need to explain this to you? Why is Bowen better than him while he stayed developing longer? Have you heard of something called bringing up prospects too early? My brain is baffled lol, he can tower all he wants while improving, you can dominate more gain more confidence. Again why is Bowen more ready than he is while he spent more time in the NHL? I will argue that Kakko and Huges same thing, too early. You gotta develop the right way, there is an art to it, Stan is a deer in the headlights when it comes to hockey.
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AHL is much better talent than the WHL. Dach physically dominates the WHL the next year. You gain very little from that. AHL would have been perfect. I would have sent him down to the WHL. Again, I was not defending the choices they made.
 
Blackhawks said:
What would he have gained? Do I need to explain this to you? Why is Bowen better than him while he stayed developing longer? Have you heard of something called bringing up prospects too early? My brain is baffled lol, he can tower all he wants while improving, you can dominate more gain more confidence. Again why is Bowen more ready than he is while he spent more time in the NHL? I will argue that Kakko and Huges same thing, too early. You gotta develop the right way, there is an art to it, Stan is a deer in the headlights when it comes to hockey.
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Stan can't hurt you anymore bud. Let it go.
 
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Blackhawks said:
What would he have gained? Do I need to explain this to you? Why is Bowen better than him while he stayed developing longer? Have you heard of something called bringing up prospects too early? My brain is baffled lol, he can tower all he wants while improving, you can dominate more gain more confidence. Again why is Bowen more ready than he is while he spent more time in the NHL? I will argue that Kakko and Huges same thing, too early. You gotta develop the right way, there is an art to it, Stan is a deer in the headlights when it comes to hockey.
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All players develop differently and Hawks were stuck between a rock and a hard place with Dach. He was too good for Junior and needed to develop but the AHL wasn't an option; a dumb rule if you ask me that seems designed to fill seats in the WHL. It was a tough call but in hindsight, though far from ideal, the WHL was probably the better option.
 
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BobbyJet said:
All players develop differently and Hawks were stuck between a rock and a hard place with Dach. He was too good for Junior and needed to develop but the AHL wasn't an option; a dumb rule if you ask me that seems designed to fill seats in the WHL. It was a tough call but in hindsight, though far from ideal, the WHL was probably the better option.
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Thank you. This was not that complicated.
 
Pez68 said:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Hawks made ANOTHER mistake with a young player. But it's just one game.
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It has to be something other than his skills since he seemed decent when on the ice. They can’t possibly think the bottom six options here are all better than he is.
 
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It has to be something other than his skills since he seemed decent when on the ice. They can’t possibly think the bottom six options here are all better than he is.
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For me personally, I’d be uncomfortable hanging around a guy who actively shoves crystals up his ass.
 
Hattrick Kane said:
For me personally, I’d be uncomfortable hanging around a guy who actively shoves crystals up his ass.
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I don’t think I’d have my mind on that. I don’t care what goes where in another’s world if they can help win games which would likely make me more money.
 
BobbyJet said:
All players develop differently and Hawks were stuck between a rock and a hard place with Dach. He was too good for Junior and needed to develop but the AHL wasn't an option; a dumb rule if you ask me that seems designed to fill seats in the WHL. It was a tough call but in hindsight, though far from ideal, the WHL was probably the better option.
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He was a little over a ppg in the WHL his last season. I don’t consider that too good for junior. He should have stayed another year in junior to work on his offensive skills where he has more time and space.
 
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He was a little over a ppg in the WHL his last season. I don’t consider that too good for junior. He should have stayed another year in junior to work on his offensive skills where he has more time and space.
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I worded it poorly. Perhaps I should have said Dach was too good to learn much more at the Junior level - we have all seen that bad habit of dangling too much (instead of getting the puck to the net) which is something he could do as a Junior almost at will.
 
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BobbyJet said:
I worded it poorly. Perhaps I should have said Dach was too good to learn much more at the Junior level - we have all seen that bad habit of dangling too much (instead of getting the puck to the net) which is something he could do as a Junior almost at will.
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I agree. His skill and size would allow him physically do whatever he wants.
 
Hawkey said:
He was a little over a ppg in the WHL his last season. I don’t consider that too good for junior. He should have stayed another year in junior to work on his offensive skills where he has more time and space.
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Playing against lesser competition can cause you to regress and develop bad habits. Dach should not have gone back to juniors.
 
Boqvist 6 points last 5 games. But but but he can’t stay healthy, 21 year old and people talking about health issues lol.
 
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Boqvist 6 points last 5 games. But but but he can’t stay healthy, 21 year old and people talking about health issues lol.
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Concussions are nothing to laugh about and is pretty serious a player his age has had many of them. I'm one of Boqvist biggest fans on this board (only person bigger fan than me IMO is @BK ) and I wish him the absolute best as I think he's going to do very well over there (and Stan giving up yet another young defenseman absolutely sucks) but he has had alot of injuries even including this season he's missed time.

Lets call a spade a spade on that account... but I do hope no matter the small injuries he will have, none are concussion related. I want to see this kid have a long career in this league.
 
hes also shooting at a 25% pace and had 3 points in a game. the numbers get skewed if u cherry pick. why not include the whole season where he has 1 point in the 8 games before that and has been healthy scratched. Hes right in line with the offense he put up last year with us.

hes going to score some points in this league hes going to struggle to stay on the ice and play defense. At his peak he will be a good NHL player for a couple years.

on the other hand seth jones has 19 in 22 and played his best game as a hawk last night playing 30 minutes in his last 3 games.
 
ChiHawk21 said:
hes also shooting at a 25% pace and had 3 points in a game. the numbers get skewed if u cherry pick. why not include the whole season where he has 1 point in the 8 games before that and has been healthy scratched. Hes right in line with the offense he put up last year with us.

hes going to score some points in this league hes going to struggle to stay on the ice and play defense. At his peak he will be a good NHL player for a couple years.

on the other hand seth jones has 19 in 22 and played his best game as a hawk last night playing 30 minutes in his last 3 games.
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Boqvist wasn't healthy scratched, he was injured.
 
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hes also shooting at a 25% pace and had 3 points in a game. the numbers get skewed if u cherry pick. why not include the whole season where he has 1 point in the 8 games before that and has been healthy scratched. Hes right in line with the offense he put up last year with us.

hes going to score some points in this league hes going to struggle to stay on the ice and play defense. At his peak he will be a good NHL player for a couple years.

on the other hand seth jones has 19 in 22 and played his best game as a hawk last night playing 30 minutes in his last 3 games.
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If only it was just Boqvist we gave up.
 
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