OT: The Football Thread

[crasherino]

Really looks like the coaching staff + Wilson were seeing all the same stuff. The play where he brough the ball down, and ran up the hole between his LT & LG was an excellent sign. He's got to do that way more often than spinning away from trouble. At worst he runs into a sack, at best he gets the first down -like he did. Otoh, what good QB hasn't gotten strip-sacked by Von Miller? No shame there.

Their LB & DB corps are so much better than in years past - and a lot of it is positional stuff (although the talent at CB is so much better). Win or lose, it's enjoyable to watch a team that is being coached with intelligence.

I've only seen select highlights of the game as I was away this week but if Wilson starts doing what you suggest - tucking and running and taking what's there) as opposed to making some hero play whilst spinning around and drifting 10 yards behind the LOS - he will be so much better. The successful mobile QBs have an internal clock or an awareness to know when to take off. 4 yards is a lot better than -10 or a pick. Doesn't mean he needs to take the hits that Josh Allen does. But after 3 seconds, if the play isn't there and a lane opens up, take the yards. He should have 30-40 rushing yards every game. He's a good athlete.

Re LB corps, I'm not sure if this is a correlation is not causation type thing, but the LBs have been MUCH better when Quincy W. came back from injury. Kwown/CJ/ Quincy is a legit group.

Getting pressure with a 4 man rush is one of the most foreign things I've seen from the Jets. Having 7 guys in coverage along with the ability of our CBs makes life a whole lot easier back there.

But can we please get the ball to Elijah? For fvcks sake, design a screen or hand the ball to him on an end around on the 1st play of the game. If they are purposely writing him out of the game plan, that's stupid. And if they aren't, then make it your business to get him the ball. All he needs is one breakout game and the kid is happy. I don't like what he pulled but he's a weapon for this team. Get him back in there and all is good. He's too talented to be behind Jeff Smith on the targets.

 

[saintunspecified]

Re LB corps, I'm not sure if this is a correlation is not causation type thing, but the LBs have been MUCH better when Quincy W. came back from injury. Kwown/CJ/ Quincy is a legit group.

Quincy Williams was running himself out of plays last year. He's so much more disciplined this year. With his kind of athleticism, he can afford to take the time to read the play.

When the same players get better, you praise the player + the coaches. Add to that, I really like Saleh's demeanor on the sideline.

 

[crasherino]

Random thought (and didn't really have anywhere else to put it) after watching the crazy Viking/Bills game yesterday....on the Gabe Davis catch/non-catch, When a play is that close and the Offense is rushing up to snap the ball before replay has a chance to review....

Why doesn't the defensive team have a designated player assigned to go down with an "injury" to stop the clock? I realize that that guy will have to come out of the game (for at least one play) so it should be the least essential guy on the field, but in that situation, it should be automatic. Team thinks a play should be reviewed, coaches yell out "Omaha" or "Soccer" or something - guy goes down, replay has a chance to catch its breath, and take a look. Yes, you may have to sacrifice a timeout (depending on the circumstances) - and that's a consideration - but ultimately the Vikings could have/should have lost because of that catch.

Whenever this scenario comes up, I yell at the TV "Go down!" to the point where my boys know exactly what I mean, because it happens often enough.

Is there something I'm missing here?

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Random thought (and didn't really have anywhere else to put it) after watching the crazy Viking/Bills game yesterday....on the Gabe Davis catch/non-catch, When a play is that close and the Offense is rushing up to snap the ball before replay has a chance to review....

Why doesn't the defensive team have a designated player assigned to go down with an "injury" to stop the clock? I realize that that guy will have to come out of the game (for at least one play) so it should be the least essential guy on the field, but in that situation, it should be automatic. Team thinks a play should be reviewed, coaches yell out "Omaha" or "Soccer" or something - guy goes down, replay has a chance to catch its breath, and take a look. Yes, you may have to sacrifice a timeout (depending on the circumstances) - and that's a consideration - but ultimately the Vikings could have/should have lost because of that catch.

Whenever this scenario comes up, I yell at the TV "Go down!" to the point where my boys know exactly what I mean, because it happens often enough.

Is there something I'm missing here?

Sportsmanship?

Also, I think you meant that the Bills should have lost because it wasn't a catch.

 

[crasherino]

Sportsmanship?

Also, I think you meant that the Bills should have lost because it wasn't a catch.

Right - I got that backwards above. Vikings would have won.

Sportsmanship? Common. These guys are grabbing each other's nuts at the bottom of piles, trying their best to get away with as many rules violations as possible. Going down with an injury to slow the game up isn't something that's never happened. I find it hard to believe that with all the attempts at obtaining an advantage, team's would draw the line here. Maybe I'm wrong though?

I try not to agree with Mumbles too much, but he came out again and said that coaches should have a challenge flag in the last two minutes. Totally agree on that front. Especially if the booth can't get their shit together quickly enough.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Right - I got that backwards above. Vikings would have won.

Sportsmanship? Common. These guys are grabbing each other's nuts at the bottom of piles, trying their best to get away with as many rules violations as possible. Going down with an injury to slow the game up isn't something that's never happened. I find it hard to believe that with all the attempts at obtaining an advantage, team's would draw the line here. Maybe I'm wrong though?

I try not to agree with Mumbles too much, but he came out again and said that coaches should have a challenge flag in the last two minutes. Totally agree on that front. Especially if the booth can't get their shit together quickly enough.

I would not call faking an injury to induce a review as bad sportsmanship, I would call it well placed gamesmanship.

That entire review booth should be penalized...unless of course they were told not to review it.

 

[crasherino]

I would not call faking an injury to induce a review as bad sportsmanship, I would call it well placed gamesmanship.

That entire review booth should be penalized...unless of course they were told not to review it.

It all happens pretty fast, in their defense. But whatever the current protocol is now, it doesn't work. A team rushing to the line to get a snap off probably doesn't allow the replay booth to get a legit look at it. And the catch that we're discussing - at first blush - looked like a clean catch. So either they're told to stop the play if there's even a potential for it to be in question - and make the officials look silly when the review shows that there's nothing at all at issue - or you need to give teams' the ability to challenge ala the other 56 minutes in the game.

But under the current construct, I've got a guy grabbing his calf as soon as the play warrants another look.

 

[Big L]

LOL jets

 

[Quickdraw2828]

What was with those two run plays up the middle on the last jets drive when a field goal would have won the game? Playing for the punt?

 

[The Real JT]

What was with those two run plays up the middle on the last jets drive when a field goal would have won the game? Playing for the punt?

Jets deserved to lose.

Zach Wilson was awful. Blame the cold, the wind and the O-line all you want. When he had a chance to make a throw he couldn’t.

Jets D is pretty damn good but they missed way too many tackles on the rare occasions the Pats were in the open field in the second half. Give credit to the Pats’ RB Stevenson who was the best offensive player on the field. On another note, Mac Jones doesn’t impress me. Any success he’s had thus far I’ll ascribe to the Belichick system.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

Zach Wilson was awful.

Pros

Strong Arm
Bags a lot of MILFS
Can probably star in a Disney Musical when he's out of the league in a few years

Cons

Inaccurate thrower
Zero field vision
Too many short throws on third down
Is costing his receivers millions in future contract negotiations

 

[Quickdraw2828]

Not to mention he has a weird wrist twist on a lot of his throws before he lets the ball go. Takes a little more time to get rid of it and probably isn't helping with his accuracy.

I'd say this loss was one of worst regular season losses ever for the team. With first place at stake and needing only six points to win combined with the buffoonish way to lose with seconds remaining...humiliating.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Pros

Strong Arm
Bags a lot of MILFS
Can probably star in a Disney Musical when he's out of the league in a few years

Cons

Inaccurate thrower
Zero field vision
Too many short throws on third down
Is costing his receivers millions in future contract negotiations

Cons
Immature

 

[Lights911]

Wilson doesn't deserve to see the field next week against Chicago. This team is too good this year to for him to be under center and cost them games. Have Mike White sit in the shotgun and hit check downs all game and let the weapons go to work.

 

[danteipp]

Watching Wilson in interviews and his general attitude, he seems like a retro 1980's movie villain, who is trying to shut down the ragtag, mom-and-pop ski lodge next door.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

Cons
Immature

He’s led a charmed life and isn’t used to people scrutinizing him. Rather than feeling bad he seems annoyed. I sense the fans turned on him this week and his receivers and tight ends are probably next.

I

Sounds like there’s a decent chance Justin Fieldd won’t play next week

 

[danteipp]

He’s led a charmed life and isn’t used to people scrutinizing him. Rather than feeling bad he seems annoyed. I sense the fans turned on him this week and his receivers and tight ends are probably next.

I

It will be interesting to see how far the Jets organization goes to protect him. If he refuses to be accountable for his shortcomings in the locker room, the place that matters, he is not going to last long.

 

[The Real JT]

I sense a lot of negativity here regarding Zach Wilson’s performance and more importantly, his attitude.

Count me in on both concerns. As for his receivers turning on him, it looks like that’s already happening.

So disappointing.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

He’s led a charmed life and isn’t used to people scrutinizing him. Rather than feeling bad he seems annoyed. I sense the fans turned on him this week and his receivers and tight ends are probably next.

I

Sounds like there’s a decent chance Justin Fieldd won’t play next week

According to twitter, much of the defense is turning on him too.

Even if you throw for 500 yds & 5 TDs and lose, you still take the blame and say "I could have done more." That's accountability and leadership.

ZW has none of that, which is more concerning than his statline.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

During the second half yesterday the Jets average gain was 2.7 inches per snap.

That seems high to me

 

[danteipp]

During the second half yesterday the Jets average gain was 2.7 inches per snap.

That seems high to me

That might be the most "impressive" stat I have ever seen in any sport. Gaining two total yards and 2.7 inches per snap, in a half, is arguably more impressive than Cal Ripken's iron man streak, lol.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

During the second half yesterday the Jets average gain was 2.7 inches per snap.

That seems high to me

My wife would agree

 

[Mike C]

My wife would agree

Gets worse as you get older brother!

He’s led a charmed life and isn’t used to people scrutinizing him. Rather than feeling bad he seems annoyed. I sense the fans turned on him this week and his receivers and tight ends are probably next.

I

Sounds like there’s a decent chance Justin Fieldd won’t play next week

He'll just date one of his mother's friends and all will be well in his world

 

[crasherino]

Jets deserved to lose.

Zach Wilson was awful. Blame the cold, the wind and the O-line all you want. When he had a chance to make a throw he couldn’t.

Jets D is pretty damn good but they missed way too many tackles on the rare occasions the Pats were in the open field in the second half. Give credit to the Pats’ RB Stevenson who was the best offensive player on the field. On another note, Mac Jones doesn’t impress me. Any success he’s had thus far I’ll ascribe to the Belichick system.

Re Mac Jones, he seems fine with the short passing game to the backs, TEs, etc. But I've always felt that he'll have a lot of trouble putting his foot in the ground and throwing a laser to the far sideline outside the numbers and getting the ball there in time.

What I've seen so far only makes me feel more confident in that original assessment. Granted, he's been better than what we've got with Wilson so far, who is just a skittish mess back there. But as far as ceilings go, I think Jones' is pretty capped. Its one thing to throw a deep ball at Alabama when you have 5 track stars at WR getting 3 steps on every DB you play. Its another thing throwing downfield into tight windows in the NFL.

 

[saintunspecified]

I sense a lot of negativity here regarding Zach Wilson’s performance and more importantly, his attitude.

Count me in on both concerns. As for his receivers turning on him, it looks like that’s already happening.

So disappointing.

I didn't watch the game, but boy did the aftermath shift the perspective on the Elijah Moore situation.