Salary Cap: The Endless Speculation Edition

[LOGiK]

Gotta worry about his career if he putters out and does nothing with the Pens.

My great fear is that he goes back to Geno's line IF Sid misses time.

IF it were me, the only two options for Geno's LW IF Sid misses time are (a) McCann or (b) Jake.

Simon just isn't a good fit there. I want two wingers who push the play more than Simon (and a hell of a lot more than Galchenyuk), because that forces Geno to play a little more north/south.

Honestly, I'm not sure Galchenyuk's greatest value to the team won't be the cap space trading him would create. Similar argument for Bjugstad.

It's so disappointing when they end up duds after the articles and interviews and pump up material they give us, 'how happy they are to be here, how it will be so good for them changing scenery, how excited they are to play with sid - geno, how they are training to help out and make a major impact for the team etc etc' and then they fizzle out basically without doing aaaaanything the articles or they say in disussions.

Happens more often then not, I get it things just don't work, but it is so frustrating to give up players / picks to make something happen that just never materializes and they just end up being that their best contribution to the team would be to get the hell off the team (never-had-a-big-game-Brassardtard, big man that plays like a little man Bjugntug and goal scoring Galy-the-goalless).

 

[Gurglesons]

All this asking for Bennetts/Chiassons/etc. makes no sense to me (and not just because we have 13 forwards better than Chiasson).

What this lineup needs is a top winger, or someone who has the potential to fill that role. We have plenty of middle six forwards. We need a skilled guy to play with Malkin or drive his own line. A Taylor Hall, or Jason Zucker, or someone of that ilk. Even a Kevin Fiala would be something.

Another 3rd liner does nothing for us.

Disagree completely.

You have the pairs for each line. And Rust needs more respect. Honestly, I think McCann - Malkin - Rust is a dream second line in today’s NHL.

Guentzel - Sid
Malkin - Rust
Kahun - X - Simon
Teddy - Tanev

Bennett IMO is the perfect RW for that top line. Big issue is who slots into the 3C role and how do you support L4. Honesty I just go Kahun - Lafferty - Simon and ZAR - Teddy - Tanev as our bottom
six and when Hornqvist is healthy slot him in for Simon and drop ZAR out.

Jake - Sid - Bennett
McCann - Malkin - Rust
Kahun - Lafferty - Hornqvist
Tanev - Bleuger - Simon

 

[LOGiK]

Disagree completely.

You have the pairs for each line. And Rust needs more respect. Honestly, I think McCann - Malkin - Rust is a dream second line in today’s NHL.

Guentzel - Sid
Malkin - Rust
Kahun - X - Simon
Teddy - Tanev

Bennett IMO is the perfect RW for that top line. Big issue is who slots into the 3C role and how do you support L4. Honesty I just go Kahun - Lafferty - Simon and ZAR - Teddy - Tanev as our bottom
six and when Hornqvist is healthy slot him in for Simon and drop ZAR out.

Jake - Sid - Bennett
McCann - Malkin - Rust
Kahun - Lafferty - Hornqvist
Tanev - Bleuger - Simon

Will that second line get broken up with a sid injury?

 

[JackFr]

Disagree completely.

You have the pairs for each line. And Rust needs more respect. Honestly, I think McCann - Malkin - Rust is a dream second line in today’s NHL.

Guentzel - Sid
Malkin - Rust
Kahun - X - Simon
Teddy - Tanev

Bennett IMO is the perfect RW for that top line. Big issue is who slots into the 3C role and how do you support L4. Honesty I just go Kahun - Lafferty - Simon and ZAR - Teddy - Tanev as our bottom
six and when Hornqvist is healthy slot him in for Simon and drop ZAR out.

Jake - Sid - Bennett
McCann - Malkin - Rust
Kahun - Lafferty - Hornqvist
Tanev - Bleuger - Simon

I'm gonna slow my roll on McCann - Malkin - Rust until their collective PDO dips below like 140 or whatever it is, but if they truly click then that makes our job way easier.

 

[JackFr]

Overall i can see a scenario where we drop Galchenyuk, Bjugstad, Johnson, and Schultz next summer, give McCann, Pettersson, and Murray raises, and have space to go after Hall in the off-season. It's a remote one buttttt

Guentzel - Crosby - Kahun/Simon
Hall - Malkin - Rust
Kahun/Simon - McCann - Hornqvist
ZAR - Blueger - Tanev
Lafferty

Dumoulin - Letang
Pettersson - Marino
Riikola - X

Murray
Jarry

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm gonna slow my roll on McCann - Malkin - Rust until their collective PDO dips below like 140 or whatever it is, but if they truly click then that makes our job way easier.

I see two wingers that do exactly what Geno needs and I think it is not surprising at all.

Do I think McCann and Rust are going to be 50+ point wings there as we are seeing? Doubt it. But I think both are capable of 20 goals. Rust has always had that potential. I wasn’t sure about McCann, but I think he has proved it too.

 

[Gurglesons]

Will that second line get broken up with a sid injury?

The great part of having Bennett and McCann is they both can slot in as C and Bennett plays a game none of our other wingers do. He’d be a great answer to Tom Wilson in a playoff series especially when you combine him with Hornqvist.

Doubt he is available though. But maybe with Tkachuk.

 

[Andy99]

Overall i can see a scenario where we drop Galchenyuk, Bjugstad, Johnson, and Schultz next summer, give McCann, Pettersson, and Murray raises, and have space to go after Hall in the off-season. It's a remote one buttttt

Guentzel - Crosby - Kahun/Simon
Hall - Malkin - Rust
Kahun/Simon - McCann - Hornqvist
ZAR - Blueger - Tanev
Lafferty

Dumoulin - Letang
Pettersson - Marino
Riikola - X

Murray
Jarry

you’re forgetting that Kahun, Simon and Jarry will also need raises too...

 

[mpp9]

The great part of having Bennett and McCann is they both can slot in as C and Bennett plays a game none of our other wingers do. He’d be a great answer to Tom Wilson in a playoff series especially when you combine him with Hornqvist.

Doubt he is available though. But maybe with Tkachuk.

I don't want to hear Tom Wilson as justification for a trade acquisition ever again.

And if we make a big trade with Calgary and Brodie isn't coming back, I'm gonna be pissed...

 

[ChaosAgent]

Overall i can see a scenario where we drop Galchenyuk, Bjugstad, Johnson, and Schultz next summer, give McCann, Pettersson, and Murray raises, and have space to go after Hall in the off-season. It's a remote one buttttt

Guentzel - Crosby - Kahun/Simon
Hall - Malkin - Rust
Kahun/Simon - McCann - Hornqvist
ZAR - Blueger - Tanev
Lafferty

Dumoulin - Letang
Pettersson - Marino
Riikola - X

Murray
Jarry

This is my preference too, though I'd drop Simon for Lafferty. Pretty sure this lineup is cap-compliant.

I don't want the Pens to suck for 5 years after Sid/Geno/Letang are checked-out (ie Detroit recently). This organization has shown me a lot of evidence that it can turn over the bottom 2/3rds of the roster well but at some point we've gotta inject new blood into the top end of the lineup. I think Hall could be it and would be willing to lock that in during this season - if we could negotiate an extension before a trade - I'm game to trade AG/top prospect/first for him.

 

[ChaosAgent]

It's so disappointing when they end up duds after the articles and interviews and pump up material they give us, 'how happy they are to be here, how it will be so good for them changing scenery, how excited they are to play with sid - geno, how they are training to help out and make a major impact for the team etc etc' and then they fizzle out basically without doing aaaaanything the articles or they say in disussions.

Happens more often then not, I get it things just don't work, but it is so frustrating to give up players / picks to make something happen that just never materializes and they just end up being that their best contribution to the team would be to get the hell off the team (never-had-a-big-game-Brassardtard, big man that plays like a little man Bjugntug and goal scoring Galy-the-goalless).

In fairness, if you take a gander at the Arizona board they are very unhappy with the deal and aren't looking forward the next 2.8 years of their new relationship. So they'd say the same thing and would love a do-over.

I'd certainly say the lengths we went to to get Brassard falls more squarely into this category. Or Sheary reminding us that we traded him to sign JJ every time we play him.

 

[LOGiK]

In fairness, if you take a gander at the Arizona board they are very unhappy with the deal and aren't looking forward the next 2.8 years of their new relationship. So they'd say the same thing and would love a do-over.

I'd certainly say the lengths we went to to get Brassard falls more squarely into this category. Or Sheary reminding us that we traded him to sign JJ every time we play him.

I read a page or two and I saw 'he went from playing ok to not playing so great and looking like he doesn't give a shit really fast' and also something like 'too bad we have centers that don't want to pass him the puck'.

Haven't watched a game of him, but I may watch the caps coyotes tomorrow I think it is on nbcsn to see what kind of mood phil is in.

 

[DeadPuckEra]

The pros:

Hall doesn’t want to play in New Jersey. Shero’s hands are tied. With that said, we could make an offer that would compete with most. It may be the best offer as most teams don’t have an NHL caliber goalie to add into the equation, a young one with potential.

Jarry, Galchenyuk and a 1st right now.

They need a fresh face in net, Galchenyuk is at least a warm body to fill in for Hall (maybe he works out there and they sign him), and they get a potential mid 1st round pick.

The cons:

This is Hall’s contract that will set him up for life. He’s 27. He would be nuts not to go to free agency and see what’s there.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The cons:

This is Hall’s contract that will set him up for life. He’s 27. He would be nuts not to go to free agency and see what’s there.

On the other hand, Hall's already made a tonne of money playing the game. Does he care about winning or getting paid an extra $2 million per year? He's talked about how he wants to win because he's always been on teams missing the playoffs, so if that's true at all he might be willing to take a slight discount to sign with a club he feels gives him a good chance to win the Cup.

 

[DeadPuckEra]

He’ll get a 7 year deal. 2 mil discount equates to 14 mill in money he would miss out on. Not happening.

It’s his last contract he can cash in on. These guys say all the right things - but it’s always about the money in the end - and rightfully so.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

He’ll get a 7 year deal. 2 mil discount equates to 14 mill in money he would miss out on. Not happening.

It’s his last contract he can cash in on. These guys say all the right things - but it’s always about the money in the end - and rightfully so.

Tavares signed for $11 million per year over 7 years with the Leafs. Sharks were rumored to be offering $13 million per year over the same term. He chose his childhood team despite the fact he was leaving $14 million on the table.

Like I said, depends on Hall's priorities. If he's chasing the money only, then sure, he'll get as much as he can possibly get. But if he's serious about being frustrated over lack of playoffs and wants a chance at a Cup, he'd settle for less in the right situation.

 

[LOGiK]

Can always work at McD's for 50 years at 20k per. You'll hit a million by retirement if your lucky.

 

[EightyOne]

No player is taking a discount for a chance at a cup.

They don't care about winning that shit as much as we think.

Ex: McDavid signing forever at a billion dollars in EDM. If you wanted a Cup, you'd NEVER do that.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

No player is taking a discount for a chance at a cup.

They don't care about winning that **** as much as we think.

Ex: McDavid signing forever at a billion dollars in EDM. If you wanted a Cup, you'd NEVER do that.

I think the second part is true more so for European and Russian players. They grow up wanting Olympic gold first and foremost.

I don't agree with the first part though. Lots of guys leave money on the table for a shot at the Cup. Not a ton of money or anything, but there are tons of cases where guys leave money/term in favor of a better shot at the Cup.

McDavid signed in Edmonton because he wants to be the Crosby of that organization. The guy who pulls the franchise out of the gutter and brings a Cup there with the help of Draisaitl, their Geno.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

Mark Stone only got Brannstrom+2nd and it essentially came with an extension. We could probably get Hall for Galchenyuk+Addison+2nd tbh.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think the second part is true more so for European and Russian players. They grow up wanting Olympic gold first and foremost.

I don't agree with the first part though. Lots of guys leave money on the table for a shot at the Cup. Not a ton of money or anything, but there are tons of cases where guys leave money/term in favor of a better shot at the Cup.

McDavid signed in Edmonton because he wants to be the Crosby of that organization. The guy who pulls the franchise out of the gutter and brings a Cup there with the help of Draisaitl, their Geno.

Serious question: who was the last player to sign at a discount for a chance at the cup?

 

[EightyOne]

Serious question: who was the last player to sign at a discount for a chance at the cup?

And make than UFA.

Although you could argue some RFA make team friendly deals, that's usually because of stupid hockey tradition to honor your drafting club or some shit. You have no motivation to go for biggest money, really, then.

Pretty sure you'll come up with nothing. Otherwise the Pens wouldn't have had ***holes like Adams and Glass. They'd have been the Globetrotters with 12 top six forward making league minimum.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Serious question: who was the last player to sign at a discount for a chance at the cup?

Duchene, probably. Stamkos, though he re-signed instead of jetting to Toronto.

 

[EightyOne]

You think that Duchene at $8mil left money on the table? He flat out turned down an $8milx8 re-sign with OTT which had him traded to CBJ where I believe they were at 8x8 also.

He ended up 8x7...so I guess it was a discount to contend because one year less term?

Otherwise he signed at market with a team that on paper was going to be better than OTT or CBJ.

 

[Peat]

You think with his inconsistency that Duchene at $8mil left money on the table? He flat out turned down an $8mil re-sign with OTT which had him traded to CBJ where I believe they were at 8x8 also.

He ended up 8x7...so I guess it was a discount to contend because one year less term?

Otherwise he signed at market with a team that on paper was going to be better than OTT or CBJ.

And has a lower tax rate.

That said - I think offers in full free agency tend to beat those made in season.

And I think the list of players who've taken less than the highest offer for various reasons is longer than those who took the highest offer. Just that those reasons are rarely the Cup, only the Cup, and nothing but the Cup.