Salary Cap: The Endless Speculation Edition

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I think Hall is in the Kessel camp.

Camp Idontgiveaf***?

 

[harmonica]

Koivu was an absolutely wonderful player in his prime. I’d like nothing to do with him.

I do reminisce sometimes about that Wild team that pushed the Avs to the brink though. Gaborik was and still is one of my favorite players. The Demitra - Gaborik - Hossa Slovak connection ruled. RIP.

That wild team was actually fun to watch and cheer for.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Because Minnesota is legit the ****ing worst team to watch, I don't get to watch them all that much. Dude is 35 years old. We'd be giving 9 years up in Bjugs. I have NO clue how he's playing - good/bad. But I know his leadership and what he brings to the team and being a UFA - i like that. But I would honestly defer to anyone who watches Minnesota.

I would love to stick w/ our young/speed attitude and I really just want to see Laff in there.

Nobody said this would go away. If the team could manage with Kunitz, Cullen and others I think they could handle one guy who can still play.

I get wanting that young attitude, but it's being overrun at this point. Even putting in Lafferty the inexperience that bottom six has will eventually shine through against the top teams game in and game out.

It's not sustainable. Not only that, it's never been done. I want them to win and go as far as they can, and that doesn't support that.

Last year you saw team after team get swept. Us by the Islanders, Islanders by the Canes and the Canes by Boston. Boston and St. Louis battled it out and neither team was as green as this team is. Neither was Washington, b2b Pens, 3 time Hawks or 2 time LA or 1 time Boston.

There was considerable depth and a mix.
We all want to see Lafferty in, and he can just by getting rid of one of the plethora of guys who are not working. Gally, Zar, Bjugstad. He can play either wing or center. There's only one guy of those three who's even considerably fast in Gally.


So I support your theory, but don't think it's the be all down to the last man.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Tough part atm is theres no names solidly out there right now other than Puljuravi. Billy G probably wants to make changes but you have no clue who's his non-touchables atm.

As for Hall, Sid likes 'em. Won a World Championship with him on his wing and Hall comes to NS to train with him.
If there was any shot at landing Hall, the core here would be all for it.

 

[Andy99]

Penguins are 8 points from dead last in the conf.
Penguins are also 8 points from first in the division.

Crazy close and massive importance 4 games make.

if the Flyers continue to beat the Bruins tonight, they will overtake the Pens in the division and we’ll drop to fourth...it’s going to be like this all year in the Metro..you can’t afford to lose more than two in a row in regulation and you better go on a winning streak after that...

 

[JackFr]

All this asking for Bennetts/Chiassons/etc. makes no sense to me (and not just because we have 13 forwards better than Chiasson).

What this lineup needs is a top winger, or someone who has the potential to fill that role. We have plenty of middle six forwards. We need a skilled guy to play with Malkin or drive his own line. A Taylor Hall, or Jason Zucker, or someone of that ilk. Even a Kevin Fiala would be something.

Another 3rd liner does nothing for us.

 

[mpp9]

I think the timing of a trade right now would be a tad strange, eh? Team is really clicking and playing great hockey. Even when we lose we look really good. I really can't think of a trade right now that would work with all the injuries we have.

From Sullivan's pov, I guarantee he doesn't want any moves made.

As a smart GM, you have to keep tabs. JJ is playing well, keep looking at scenarios to move his cap hit. If not for the now, then long-term. If you could move his salary like we did with Gud, that may save you from having to move a Bryan Rust this summer.

In general, I think we could lose Bjug and JJ for nothing and be fine. I'm fine waiting on Bjug to see if you can get value for him. And on JJ to see if you can get rid of the contract without taking any salary back. He's been good enough this season where I'm not moving a high pick or taking back an ugly contract anymore.

Galchenyuk is someone I might move in a month if he doesn't find a fit here. Maybe like Pixies said in a package for a legit upgrade on defense. We'd be gangbusters if Calgary was on board with moving on from Brodie for something around that. Letang, Brodie and Marino out there all the time. f*** yes.

Find your help for 87 or 71 closer to the deadline.

 

[WayneSid9987]

All this asking for Bennetts/Chiassons/etc. makes no sense to me (and not just because we have 13 forwards better than Chiasson).

What this lineup needs is a top winger, or someone who has the potential to fill that role. We have plenty of middle six forwards. We need a skilled guy to play with Malkin or drive his own line. A Taylor Hall, or Jason Zucker, or someone of that ilk. Even a Kevin Fiala would be something.

Another 3rd liner does nothing for us.

Yea him to is a name thats pretty solidly out there(Fiala).

 

[LOGiK]

if the Flyers continue to beat the Bruins tonight, they will overtake the Pens in the division and we’ll drop to fourth...it’s going to be like this all year in the Metro..you can’t afford to lose more than two in a row in regulation and you better go on a winning streak after that...

And of course Boston will lose to Philly. I know it's said here time and time over and over, but it doesn't seem that every team in competition in the metro that needs to win... wins.
So frustrating.
As hot as the Bruins are they will lose to Philly because that is what happens in the metro.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Tough part atm is theres no names solidly out there right now other than Puljuravi. Billy G probably wants to make changes but you have no clue who's his non-touchables atm.

As for Hall, Sid likes 'em. Won a World Championship with him on his wing and Hall comes to NS to train with him.
If there was any shot at landing Hall, the core here would be all for it.

Right, there's no clue to Mikko even wanting to do it. 35+nmc

This is just the type of player I think the team needs. If you can find a guy with his rep younger I'm all for it. But those costs will rise.

Hall just seems like trying to pull off the impossible.

High prices...

 

[ColePens]

All this asking for Bennetts/Chiassons/etc. makes no sense to me (and not just because we have 13 forwards better than Chiasson).

What this lineup needs is a top winger, or someone who has the potential to fill that role. We have plenty of middle six forwards. We need a skilled guy to play with Malkin or drive his own line. A Taylor Hall, or Jason Zucker, or someone of that ilk. Even a Kevin Fiala would be something.

Another 3rd liner does nothing for us.

Especially because we have a guy sitting right now that i'd BEG to get in w/ Laff.

 

[JackFr]

Hall is a pipe dream, but what a pipe dream. Imagine having him and Guentzel to usher in the next era of Pens hockey.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Hall is a pipe dream, but what a pipe dream. Imagine having him and Guentzel to usher in the next era of Pens hockey.

I still think JR is gonna throw the kitchen sink at Hall this summer if he makes it to the open market. Particularly so if Marino keeps getting better and Schultz walks, and Galchenyuk never fits and walks himself.

 

[ColePens]

Pageau is the clear cut guy out there that I would die for. But once again - we seem to be flirting w/ NHL20 stuff instead of real life. I think the Pens keep it simple w/ depth. I'd love to get rid of JJ, but im 99% sure that ain't happening.

 

[LOGiK]

I still think JR is gonna throw the kitchen sink at Hall this summer if he makes it to the open market. Particularly so if Marino keeps getting better and Schultz walks, and Galchenyuk never fits and walks himself.

Galy is a fizzling dud, lets face it.

 

[KIRK]

All this asking for Bennetts/Chiassons/etc. makes no sense to me (and not just because we have 13 forwards better than Chiasson).

What this lineup needs is a top winger, or someone who has the potential to fill that role. We have plenty of middle six forwards. We need a skilled guy to play with Malkin or drive his own line. A Taylor Hall, or Jason Zucker, or someone of that ilk. Even a Kevin Fiala would be something.

Another 3rd liner does nothing for us.

The right 3rd line center does.

EDIT: Pageau, as @ColePens noted, for example.

 

[KIRK]

Galy is a fizzling dud, lets face it.

My great fear is that he goes back to Geno's line IF Sid misses time.

IF it were me, the only two options for Geno's LW IF Sid misses time are (a) McCann or (b) Jake.

Simon just isn't a good fit there. I want two wingers who push the play more than Simon (and a hell of a lot more than Galchenyuk), because that forces Geno to play a little more north/south.

Honestly, I'm not sure Galchenyuk's greatest value to the team won't be the cap space trading him would create. Similar argument for Bjugstad.

 

[Hottubber]

Seeing hall live today obviously there is a lot to like. He’s fairly aggressive/chippy which was a bit of a surprise.....But Jesus does that guy complain to the refs a lot. Every hook or hold or him or when he goes down he’s chirping at the ref. Very Crosby the first season or 2 in the NHL minus the actual abuse Crosby was getting

I also don’t really see a fit with him and Geno. Hall loves to carry the puck so I don’t know if he would fit being the trigger man for Malkin

 

[KIRK]

Seeing hall live today obviously there is a lot to like. He’s fairly aggressive/chippy which was a bit of a surprise.....But Jesus does that guy complain to the refs a lot. Every hook or hold or him or when he goes down he’s chirping at the ref. Very Crosby the first season or 2 in the NHL minus the actual abuse Crosby was getting

I also don’t really see a fit with him and Geno. Hall loves to carry the puck so I don’t know if he would fit being the trigger man for Malkin

I'd be looking for a RW for Sid.

That said, Hall loving to carry the puck wouldn't necessarily be bad for Geno. He's been using McCann-Rust to do it and coming late.

Hall-Geno-Rust could be a hell of a line.

BUT . . . it's not happening. No way JR pays Shero's price, which will be nothing short of astronomical.

 

[KIRK]

I still think here's the wish list:

1. RW for Jake-Sid
2. Better fit for 3C
3. Impact (likely rental) defensive partner for Marino (I'd make that combo my SECOND pairing and Pets-Schultz my third)

Use the cap space allocated to Bjugs and Gally and futures to make it happen.

EDIT: I'd consider a LW for Geno-Rust too.

 

[mpp9]

My great fear is that he goes back to Geno's line IF Sid misses time.

IF it were me, the only two options for Geno's LW IF Sid misses time are (a) McCann or (b) Jake.

Simon just isn't a good fit there. I want two wingers who push the play more than Simon (and a hell of a lot more than Galchenyuk), because that forces Geno to play a little more north/south.

Honestly, I'm not sure Galchenyuk's greatest value to the team won't be the cap space trading him would create. Similar argument for Bjugstad.

If Sid's out awhile, and AG continues too look meh, I'd play him at center. See if that gets him going in the short term. And maybe pumps his trade value up if need be.

 

[mpp9]

I still think here's the wish list:

1. RW for Jake-Sid
2. Better fit for 3C
3. Impact (likely rental) defensive partner for Marino (I'd make that combo my SECOND pairing and Pets-Schultz my third)

Use the cap space allocated to Bjugs and Gally and futures to make it happen.

EDIT: I'd consider a LW for Geno-Rust too.

Jake and Sid can make it work without having to go outside the organization. We've got a boat load of third wheel players here. I'm not worried about that.

I'd try and upgrade on McCann with Malkin and Rust. Saad would be sick if the Hawks wise up and start selling off their valuable players to rebuild.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Galy is a fizzling dud, lets face it.

Gotta worry about his career if he putters out and does nothing with the Pens.

 

[KIRK]

Jake and Sid can make it work without having to go outside the organization. We've got a boat load of third wheel players here. I'm not worried about that.

I'd try and upgrade on McCann with Malkin and Rust. Saad would be sick if the Hawks wise up and start selling off their valuable players to rebuild.

I'm not so sure about the internal options for RW with Jake-Sid, but I do agree that an upgrade on McCann with Malkin-Rust makes some sense. I just don't see it being Saad. Not for that kind of coin.

 

[WayneSid9987]

I still think here's the wish list:

1. RW for Jake-Sid
2. Better fit for 3C
3. Impact (likely rental) defensive partner for Marino (I'd make that combo my SECOND pairing and Pets-Schultz my third)

Use the cap space allocated to Bjugs and Gally and futures to make it happen.

EDIT: I'd consider a LW for Geno-Rust too.

Hypothetical:

In:
Pageau
Zucker
Dillon

Out:
Bjugs
Chucky
Simon
Futures

Jake-Sid-Horny
Zucker-G-Rust
McCann-Pageau-Kahun
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev

Dumo-Letang
Dillon-Marino
MP-Schutlz
JJ