Salary Cap: The Endless Speculation Edition

[Peat]

I think like Hagelin and Perron you just hope Calgary is looking to shake up and want Schultz’s “PP prowess”.

They're third in the west today by points, eighth by P%. I think them wanting a shake up like this is long odds. It's not even like you've got the swap of long term asset for quick cap freedom like you had with Hags and Perron either.

 

[chethejet]

I posted Kuhny who is skilled and I think is good but he is simply not needed with Jake, Tanev and McCann here. Maybe a trade for a RH RW like Alex Chaisson who has nice size and can offer some grit and skill. Cap room helps the Oilers as well.

Jake Sid Chaisson
McCann Geno Rust
Tanev Bjugs Horny/Simon
Reese TB Lafferty

 

[Gurglesons]

They're third in the west today by points, eighth by P%. I think them wanting a shake up like this is long odds. It's not even like you've got the swap of long term asset for quick cap freedom like you had with Hags and Perron either.

I know that want Frolik gone and they’ve been lukewarm on Brodie. So who knows.

Let’s be honest, Tree hasn’t built the best case at being smart at trading assets.

 

[wej20]

Kahun looks really good these past few games, no way would I swap him for Chiasson.

 

[Andy99]

I’m not trading a skilled speedy cheap player like Kahun...that’s stupid...if they want a bigger net front player and AG doesn’t seem to pan out, JR should be trying to use AG to swap for another forward who also doesn’t seem to fit their team or is a UFA as well...

 

[Peat]

I know that want Frolik gone and they’ve been lukewarm on Brodie. So who knows.

Let’s be honest, Tree hasn’t built the best case at being smart at trading assets.

I mean, you probably do know here. I know that Frolik and Brodie no longer have futures there most like but its unlikely to go down like that. When we're bringing up general derpiness from a GM - not even specific, just general - its a good sign that it's a long shot.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

I posted Kuhny who is skilled and I think is good but he is simply not needed with Jake, Tanev and McCann here. Maybe a trade for a RH RW like Alex Chaisson who has nice size and can offer some grit and skill. Cap room helps the Oilers as well.

Jake Sid Chaisson
McCann Geno Rust
Tanev Bjugs Horny/Simon
Reese TB Lafferty

Personally I find it unwise to trade a 24yo for a 29yo, and for it to be about size and grit. Which is not what won us our back to backs, it was speed and tenacity and grit and aggressive forecheck. Kahun is much quicker and younger than Chiasson and speaks more to the identity of this team.

 

[JTG]

I posted Kuhny who is skilled and I think is good but he is simply not needed with Jake, Tanev and McCann here. Maybe a trade for a RH RW like Alex Chaisson who has nice size and can offer some grit and skill. Cap room helps the Oilers as well.

Jake Sid Chaisson
McCann Geno Rust
Tanev Bjugs Horny/Simon
Reese TB Lafferty

I don't think Chaisson is a guy JR would target for Sid, nor would I want him to.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Not unless you want to give up Guentzel, or Guentzel's price in futures. That's the usual price for a Dumba and while Minnesota need to make changes, he's about the last player they'd want to move.

I don't think the Pens can acquire Dumba, but I wasn't sure who the person I quoted would have wanted.

 

[Peat]

I don't think the Pens can acquire Dumba, but I wasn't sure who the person I quoted would have wanted.

Oh. My bad.

 

[ColePens]

I’m not trading a skilled speedy cheap player like Kahun...that’s stupid...if they want a bigger net front player and AG doesn’t seem to pan out, JR should be trying to use AG to swap for another forward who also doesn’t seem to fit their team or is a UFA as well...

I look at what is making our team tick. Rust, Tanev, Kahun, Simon, Laff, Marino, Riikola, McCann... teamed with stars like Letang, Sid, Geno, Horny. There is quite a trend here. A speedy/skilled/tenacious player mixed with our stars and we are playing TREMENDOUS hockey. I want to stick with this formula. It is working. These guys can move up/down the lineup. They are CHEAP. They are hungry. They are young.

Let's stick with this. Let's focus on keeping it this way.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I look at what is making our team tick. Rust, Tanev, Kahun, Simon, Laff, Marino, Riikola, McCann... teamed with stars like Letang, Sid, Geno, Horny. There is quite a trend here. A speedy/skilled/tenacious player mixed with our stars and we are playing TREMENDOUS hockey. I want to stick with this formula. It is working. These guys can move up/down the lineup. They are CHEAP. They are hungry. They are young.

Let's stick with this. Let's focus on keeping it this way.

This doesn't mean they can't add experience, a little bit of age and a proven commodity.

There is no changing a good bit by way of a singular move. While wanting to keep the team in it's current state they can easily add a vet. A guy who can anchor a line and keep this revolving door or the musical chairs from being played.

Stability.

That's what I see missing.

 

[ownal]

I want to add Lemieux and Kreider. What would it take to do that?

 

[Gurglesons]

I look at what is making our team tick. Rust, Tanev, Kahun, Simon, Laff, Marino, Riikola, McCann... teamed with stars like Letang, Sid, Geno, Horny. There is quite a trend here. A speedy/skilled/tenacious player mixed with our stars and we are playing TREMENDOUS hockey. I want to stick with this formula. It is working. These guys can move up/down the lineup. They are CHEAP. They are hungry. They are young.

Let's stick with this. Let's focus on keeping it this way.

I think you can make a move with say Bjugstad, Kahun or ZAR that opens up a spot for Lafferty and also improves our D depth. I dunno. I definitely don’t want to make a huge move.

 

[ChaosAgent]

This doesn't mean they can't add experience, a little bit of age and a proven commodity.

There is no changing a good bit by way of a singular move. While wanting to keep the team in it's current state they can easily add a vet. A guy who can anchor a line and keep this revolving door or the musical chairs from being played.

Stability.

That's what I see missing.

I'm kinda with Ugene here. Namely, I can't say the team's in great shape yet until I see the PP improve. That help may have to come externally.

Having said that I love the way this team is playing 5-on-5 hockey right now and that's the foundation of everything.

 

[vikingGoalie]

I'm still in shock that we got Marino for essentially a bag of pucks. He is looking like at a minimum that he will be a #3/4 defensemen for us. He is still gonna have some bumps along the way but wow color me impressed. Thank you edmonton

 

[ownal]

I posted Kuhny who is skilled and I think is good but he is simply not needed with Jake, Tanev and McCann here. Maybe a trade for a RH RW like Alex Chaisson who has nice size and can offer some grit and skill. Cap room helps the Oilers as well.

Jake Sid Chaisson
McCann Geno Rust
Tanev Bjugs Horny/Simon
Reese TB Lafferty

We had the chance to sign Chaisson in the off season and everyone on this board said no.

 

[Trade]

I think you can make a move with say Bjugstad, Kahun or ZAR that opens up a spot for Lafferty and also improves our D depth. I dunno. I definitely don’t want to make a huge move.

Would you consider swapping Galchenyuk for someone in a hockey trade a “huge move?”

Chucky or Bjugs can be replaced by ZAR clones and we wouldn’t lose a beat IMO.

 

[chethejet]

I use Chaisson only as a RW with size that to me is depth and a player who can be a net front presence. I like Kuhny but trading him for a player who can be another Horny type is what GMJR seems to be on the look for. Both Sully and GMJR have said the PP simply doesn't have the kind of guy who can be that player who distracts the goalie and delivers some jam in front.

 

[Gurglesons]

Would you consider swapping Galchenyuk for someone in a hockey trade a “huge move?”

Chucky or Bjugs can be replaced by ZAR clones and we wouldn’t lose a beat IMO.

Galchenyuk would obviously be part of that group. Forgot about him. Lol.

Maybe that is the move. Galchenyuk + Schultz for Brodie + Frolik @Peat

 

[Extra Texture]

I posted Kuhny who is skilled and I think is good but he is simply not needed with Jake, Tanev and McCann here. Maybe a trade for a RH RW like Alex Chaisson who has nice size and can offer some grit and skill. Cap room helps the Oilers as well.

Jake Sid Chaisson
McCann Geno Rust
Tanev Bjugs Horny/Simon
Reese TB Lafferty

Though I'm against the specific sacrifice of Kahun, especially right now, I actually think Edmonton might make an intriguing trade partner.

Looking at their forward depth, its terrible. Their bottom six has a grand total of (no lie) 5 points between them this year. That includes Sheahan and Josh Archibald who have put up zero points combined. Everyone knows that team is top heavy, but yeesh.

On top of that, they don't have a single bottom sixer under contract beyond this year besides Khaira. Considering, right now, this looks like an organizational strength for us I was wondering if they might be amenable to trading for a package of Bjugstad + ZAR/Simon (something like that, its a clear quantity-based kind of deal) for something good. Maybe just futures, but something that can give them scoring punch past the top 6, and free us up of a little money.

I guess the problem is 1. we don't want to sacrifice depth players when they're more valuable to us than in any trade and 2. the best candidates (Teddy, Kahun, RUST, McCann) are all guys we would loathe to lose right now. Unless we were blown away by a trade offer.

I mean, even Simon is a long shot. I like his game despite the lack of productivity, and its clear Sid likes him as that third wheel on L1.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Would you consider swapping Galchenyuk for someone in a hockey trade a “huge move?”

Chucky or Bjugs can be replaced by ZAR clones and we wouldn’t lose a beat IMO.

For whatever reason the idea of the Penguins going to the trouble and expense of building cloning vats just to pump out endless copies of ZAR is extraordinarily amusing to me.

 

[Peat]

Galchenyuk would obviously be part of that group. Forgot about him. Lol.

Maybe that is the move. Galchenyuk + Schultz for Brodie + Frolik @Peat

Neither team's going to do that - they're both doing too well to do what basically amounts to a shake-up deal.

If we move Chucky or Schultz, then I'm expecting Rutherford to bring back assets that extend past the season - and unless its a killer UFA, then I think that's the right call. Not sure Brodie is that killer.

 

[Peat]

Also, I think that if we're targeting new bodies, then the team defence is currently very good and while I'd never say no to improvements, it would be really hard to do.

Where as team attack is merely good, and inconsistent. In the last 10 games or so, we haven't really strung together set of games where we've scored 3 more or in regulation. It feels like if a team defends well in terms of taking away the gimme chances and its goaltender plays well, its not too hard to shut us out. That's the area of improvement I'd target. Give the internal solutions a chance to fix it but if they don't, then that's what we need to be shopping for, people to replace what they were meant to do.

 

[Gurglesons]

Neither team's going to do that - they're both doing too well to do what basically amounts to a shake-up deal.

If we move Chucky or Schultz, then I'm expecting Rutherford to bring back assets that extend past the season - and unless its a killer UFA, then I think that's the right call. Not sure Brodie is that killer.

Rutherford certainly. I’m not sure I’d say Calgary isn’t ready to make a move. They may be in 2nd in the Pacific, but that largely is because the amount of games they have played. Good chance they are in fifth once Vegas, Vancouver, and Zona play 20.

Even then if Chucky continues to throw up 0s in the goal column, I imagine he’ll be doing it with another team by late December, early January.